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25 years ago, we were all gonna die instantly because Dubya took the election away from ManBearPig. And then we didn't. I was around for 2016 when civilization ended and the Cataclysm claimed us all when Trump beat Cackles McPantsSuit.
 

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No, we didn't all die instantly. Instead, the US entered 7 wars, spent and "lost" trillions of dollars, established the Patriot Act, and made way for the likes of Donald Trump. Nothing will ever be the same after 8 years of W and Dick. One of theworst things that ever happened to the US. It is failing as a country now because of W and the after effects.
 

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@The Question, No, we didn't all die instantly as a result of the stolen 2000 election. Instead, the US entered 7 wars, spent and "lost" trillions of dollars, established the Patriot Act, and made way for the likes of Donald Trump. Nothing will ever be the same after 8 years of W and Dick. One of the worst things that ever happened to the US. It is failing as a country now because of W and the after effects.
 

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@jack Yes, it was. Everybody wants to absolve Zelensky for his part in it, but the stone cold truth is that he went in there acting like Napoleon in a tracksuit. You don't do that with any head of state, and since everybody knows what an egotistic blowhard Trump is, that's sure as hell not how you play Trump.
 

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No one is absolving anyone of anything. Everyone that watched or is about to sees exactly what the US govenment has become...as in transactional. People weren't shocked by Zelensky, they were horrified and embarrassed by Trump and Vance.