Do you believe in god?

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I’m a lifelong atheist.

God gave us a brain for a reason.

UncleFiLTHy, you can check out the proof that God doesn’t exist for yourself: go to the highest mountaintop you can find, cup your hands around your mouth and, in your loudest voice, shout out the words, “God? Are you there?”

Let the silence be your guide.

Okay, interesting. And do you have proof that god doesn‘t exist?
Tell you what, my holy scatmuncher… let’s trade: you bring me proof that six-legged unicorns don’t exist and I’ll bring you proof that God doesn’t exist. Deal?

The onus is on the one making the claim (in this case, that there IS a God) to bring incontrovertible evidence in support of that claim to the table. Even a child knows that “proving a negative” isn’t possible. This is elementary critical thinking. And this: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.

Show me the money, UncleFiLTHY. And, no, copy-pasting from theology and religious philosophy web sites (especially without understanding what you’re copying and pasting) doesn’t count.

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Lady Anklebiter here is unclear on the difference between a unicorn and a rhinoceros.

You'd think they would teach that in Sunday school.

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Maybe start asking yourself if the problem is really someone elses knowledge or intelligence, or if it's actually your own narrow minded view.
 
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Thanks for saving sanity, Christianity and this thread, Dove.

I was surprised seeing 12 believers VERSUS 3 atheists!

It shows, at the end, there no atheists in foxholes.
 

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Thanks for saving sanity, Christianity and this thread, Dove.

I was surprised seeing 12 believers VERSUS 3 atheists!

It shows, at the end, there no atheists in foxholes.

I learned a long time ago that I dont want to put up walls between myself and unbelievers.

I like to foster the best understanding I can and have meaningful exchanges about it that aren't tainted with a "me vs you" tone. All that does is put people on a defensive and they are much less receptive of what I have to say.

And I feel convicted by that. I'm dishonoring Christ by mishandling His gospel and I dont want to drive people away from the message. I'd rather empathize with them and draw them closer.

I know that Jesus said He came to bring a sword of division and that's no joke. There are certain things that I wont ever tolerate. That's human rights abuses, cruelty....et.

But a regular simple disbelief in God....or any god....I dont see that as a line where division is necessary or even productive.

People are gonna hate Christian's just because anyway. We see it all the time. It's the only world view where people get intensely angry just based on the views that certain things are sinful and bad for us. You do much as view marriage as a spiritual union joined by God that requires man and woman and they lose their shit. Christains are the ONLY people who offend everyone simply by holding their own views on things. Muslims will kill or want to kill you for violating their beliefs but....yeah.
 
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Thanks for saving sanity, Christianity and this thread, Dove.

I was surprised seeing 12 believers VERSUS 3 atheists!

It shows, at the end, there no atheists in foxholes.

I learned a long time ago that I dont want to put up walls between myself and unbelievers.

I like to foster the best understanding I can and have meaningful exchanges about it that aren't tainted with a "me vs you" tone. All that does is put people on a defensive and they are much less receptive of what I have to say.

And I feel convicted by that. I'm dishonoring Christ by mishandling His gospel and I dont want to drive people away from the message. I'd rather empathize with them and draw them closer.

I know that Jesus said He came to bring a sword of division and that's no joke. There are certain things that I wont ever tolerate. That's human rights abuses, cruelty....et.

But a regular simple disbelief in God....or any god....I dont see that as a line where division is necessary or even productive.

People are gonna hate Christian's just because anyway. We see it all the time. It's the only world view where people get intensely angry just based on the views that certain things are sinful and bad for us. You do much as view marriage as a spiritual union joined by God that requires man and woman and they lose their shit. Christains are the ONLY people who offend everyone simply by holding their own views on things. Muslims will kill or want to kill you for violating their beliefs but....yeah.
Thanks for taking time and write this, Dove!
I am with you here. But I have no patience for unbelievers and zombies. All in heavy debt and insecure.

I love staying with people of my circle. No energy and time wasting with unbelievers.

Sorry, that I cant write longer sentences, since my English is nit so good.

Very smart answers from you!!!

God gives us hope in this sick and fake world
 

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Thanks for saving sanity, Christianity and this thread, Dove.

I was surprised seeing 12 believers VERSUS 3 atheists!

It shows, at the end, there no atheists in foxholes.

I learned a long time ago that I dont want to put up walls between myself and unbelievers.

I like to foster the best understanding I can and have meaningful exchanges about it that aren't tainted with a "me vs you" tone. All that does is put people on a defensive and they are much less receptive of what I have to say.

And I feel convicted by that. I'm dishonoring Christ by mishandling His gospel and I dont want to drive people away from the message. I'd rather empathize with them and draw them closer.

I know that Jesus said He came to bring a sword of division and that's no joke. There are certain things that I wont ever tolerate. That's human rights abuses, cruelty....et.

But a regular simple disbelief in God....or any god....I dont see that as a line where division is necessary or even productive.

People are gonna hate Christian's just because anyway. We see it all the time. It's the only world view where people get intensely angry just based on the views that certain things are sinful and bad for us. You do much as view marriage as a spiritual union joined by God that requires man and woman and they lose their shit. Christains are the ONLY people who offend everyone simply by holding their own views on things. Muslims will kill or want to kill you for violating their beliefs but....yeah.
I don’t necessarily think that people who are non-believers hate Christians or any other religion for that matter. Just as we don’t hate the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. And yes, Islamic radicals have no place in any society if they choose to go around killing people who oppose their beliefs.

If believing in God makes a person sleep better at night or keeps them on the straight and narrow path, then I’m all for it. It just doesn’t work for me. I have the ability to understand right from wrong, good from evil.

And hey…God bless and all that!
 

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Never stop learning, people!
Thanks for saving sanity, Christianity and this thread, Dove.

I was surprised seeing 12 believers VERSUS 3 atheists!

It shows, at the end, there no atheists in foxholes.

I learned a long time ago that I dont want to put up walls between myself and unbelievers.

I like to foster the best understanding I can and have meaningful exchanges about it that aren't tainted with a "me vs you" tone. All that does is put people on a defensive and they are much less receptive of what I have to say.

And I feel convicted by that. I'm dishonoring Christ by mishandling His gospel and I dont want to drive people away from the message. I'd rather empathize with them and draw them closer.

I know that Jesus said He came to bring a sword of division and that's no joke. There are certain things that I wont ever tolerate. That's human rights abuses, cruelty....et.

But a regular simple disbelief in God....or any god....I dont see that as a line where division is necessary or even productive.

People are gonna hate Christian's just because anyway. We see it all the time. It's the only world view where people get intensely angry just based on the views that certain things are sinful and bad for us. You do much as view marriage as a spiritual union joined by God that requires man and woman and they lose their shit. Christains are the ONLY people who offend everyone simply by holding their own views on things. Muslims will kill or want to kill you for violating their beliefs but....yeah.
I don’t necessarily think that people who are non-believers hate Christians or any other religion for that matter. Just as we don’t hate the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. And yes, Islamic radicals have no place in any society if they choose to go around killing people who oppose their beliefs.

If believing in God makes a person sleep better at night or keeps them on the straight and narrow path, then I’m all for it. It just doesn’t work for me. I have the ability to understand right from wrong, good from evil.

And hey…God bless and all that!

No you're right. Not all people who just simply dont believe hate like that. But there is a loud chunk of them who do.

And sometimes those sentiments are casually passed down to people who dont think much on it at all and are accepted as fact. Like Christian's are exceptionally judgemental(as an easy example). Its not really true.

If you look objectively, everyone is judgemental. And everyone can have the tendencies to be smug, self righteous and hypocritical in those judgements. I see from some Christian's absolutely. And the ones who do it and resist correction the most ARE those white evangelical types who are more churchy than spiritual. And they tend to lean towards this wish washy Hallmark Christianity. They will actually lecture people on "being nice" while being some of the most ruthlessly judgemental in the bunch.

And unbelievers can be pretty intensely judgemental and sanctimonious.

Humans judge and that's not a bad thing in itself. The goal should be using proper judgement and not judging in malice or hypocrisy.....something everyone has a tendency to do.

Anti theists are the worst. Some of the most hateful people I've ever encountered. It's actually frightening how intolerant and full of hate some of those people are. Some of the stuff they are willing to gleefully say to another human being is just incredibly vile.

Whenever I see people openly insulting God or Jesus in a way that you can feel the hatred I tread carefully. Some of those people just hate God....I think they believe He exists and they hate Him.
 

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And unbelievers can be pretty intensely judgemental and sanctimonious.
Perhaps.

Like you say, to be human is to judge.

The difference between Christians and "unbelievers," though (or, to turn the tables, between unrational folks and the rational) is that, unlike Christians, rational people aren't on a mission to proselytize and to convert the world by spreading some "God spell" nonsense.

Religious peeps are totally willing to sacrifice their ability to think for themselves for the sake of their feelz about life, the universe and everything.

It's a sad spectacle. And a deadly one, too.
 

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What? Are serial repeaters supposed to repent, too?

Get on your knees and pray, UncleFiLTH!
 
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1. THE INEVITABILITY OF FAITH.​

Everyone believes in something. No one can endure the stress and cares of life without faith in something that cannot ultimately be proven. Atheists cannot prove there is no God. Pantheists cannot prove that everything is God.
Pragmatists cannot prove that what will count for them in the future is what works for them now. Nor can agnostics prove that it is impossible to know one way or the other. Faith is unavoidable, even if we choose to believe only in ourselves. What is to be decided is what evidence we think is pertinent, how we are going to interpret that evidence, and who or what we are willing to believe in (Luke 16:16).

2. THE LIMITATIONS OF SCIENCE.​

Scientific method is limited to a process defined by that which is measurable and repeatable. By definition, it cannot speak to issues of ultimate origin, meaning, or morality. For such answers, science is dependent on the
values and personal beliefs of those who use it. Science, therefore, has great potential for both good and evil. It can be used to make vaccines or poisons, nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons. It can be used to clean up the environment or to pollute it. It can be used to argue for God or against Him. Science by itself offers no moral guidance or values to govern our lives. All science can do is show us how natural law works, while telling us nothing about its origins.

3. THE PROBLEMS OF EVOLUTION.​

Some have assumed that an evolutionary explanation of life would make God unnecessary. This overlooks some problems. Even if we assume that scientists will someday find enough “missing links” to confirm that life appeared and developed gradually over great periods of time, laws of probability would still show the need for a Creator. As a result, many scientists who believe in evolution believe also that the universe in all of its immensity and complexity did not “just happen.” Many feel compelled to acknowledge the possibility or even likelihood of an intelligent designer who provided the ingredients for life and set in motion the laws by which it developed.

4. THE HABITS OF THE HEART.​

Mankind has been described as incurably religious. In unguarded moments of trouble or surprise, in prayer or in profanity, references to deity persist. Those who would dismiss such thoughts as bad habits or social vices are left with unanswerable questions. Denying the existence of God does not dispel the mysteries of life. Attempts to exclude God from the language of civil life does not eliminate the persistent longing for more than this life has to offer (Ecclesiastes 3:11). There is something about truth, beauty, and love that makes our hearts ache. Even in our anger with a God who would permit injustice and pain, we draw upon a moral conscience to argue that life is not as it ought to be (Romans 2:14-15). Even unwillingly, we are drawn to something that is more rather than less than ourselves.

5. THE BACKGROUND OF GENESIS.​

On first reading, the opening words of the Bible seem to assume the existence of God. Genesis, however, was written at a point of time in history. Moses wrote, “In the beginning God” after Israel’s exodus from Egypt. He wrote after miraculous events that were said to have been witnessed by millions of Jews and Egyptians. From the Exodus to the coming of Messiah, the God of the Bible rests His case on events witnessed in real time and locations. Anyone who doubted the claims could visit real places and people to check out the evidence for themselves.

6. THE NATION OF ISRAEL.​

Israel is often used as an argument against God. Many find it difficult to believe in a God who would be partial to a “chosen people.” Others find it even harder to believe in a God who would not protect His “chosen nation” from the boxcars, gas chambers, and ovens of Auschwitz and Dachau. Yet from the beginning of Old Testament history, Israel’s future was prewritten. Together with other prophets, Moses predicted not only Israel’s possession of the land but also her unparalleled suffering and dispersion throughout the whole earth, her eventual repentance, and then finally her last-days restoration (Deuteronomy 28–34; Isaiah 2:1-5; Ezekiel 37–38).

7. THE CLAIMS OF CHRIST.​

Many who doubt the existence of God have reassured themselves with the thought, “If God wanted us to believe in Him, He would appear to us.” According to the Bible, that is what God has done. Writing in the 7th century BC, the prophet Isaiah said that God would give His people a sign. A virgin would bear a son who would be called “God with us” (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). Isaiah said this Son would be called, “Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). The prophet also said that this child would die for His people’s sins before seeing His life prolonged and honoured by God (Isaiah 53). According to the New Testament, Jesus claimed to be that Messiah. Under the oversight of a Roman governor named Pontius Pilate, He was crucified on charges that He claimed to be the king of Israel and that He had represented Himself as being equal with God (John 5:18).

8. THE EVIDENCE OF MIRACLES.​

The reports of the first followers of Jesus agree that He did more than just claim to be the long-awaited Messiah. These witnesses said He won their trust by healing paralytics, walking on water, and then voluntarily dying a painful, undeserved death before rising from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-8). Most compelling was their claim that many witnesses had seen and talked to Christ after finding His tomb empty and before watching Him ascend visibly into the clouds. These witnesses didn’t have anything on earth to gain by their claims. They had no hopes of material wealth or power. Many became martyrs, claiming to the end that the long-awaited Messiah of Israel had lived among them, that He had become a sacrifice for sin, and that He had risen from the dead to assure them of His ability to bring them to God.

9. THE DETAILS OF NATURE.​

Some who believe in God do not take His existence seriously. They reason that a God great enough to create the universe would be too big to be concerned about us. Jesus, however, confirmed what the design and detail of the natural world suggest. He showed that God is great enough to care about the smallest details of our lives. He spoke of one who not only knows every move we make but also the motives and thoughts of our heart. Jesus taught that God knows the number of hairs on our head, the concerns of our heart, and even the condition of a fallen sparrow (Psalm 139; Matthew 6).

10. THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE.​

The Bible says that God designs the circumstances of our lives in a way that will prompt us to look for Him (Acts 17:26). For those who do reach out for Him, the Scriptures also say that He is close enough to be found (v.27). According to the apostle Paul, God is a Spirit in whom “we live and move and have our being” (v.28). The Bible makes it just as clear, however, that we must reach out for God on His terms rather than our own. He promises to be found, not by just anyone but by those who admit their own need and are willing to trust Him rather than themselves.
YOU’RE NOT ALONE if you are open to the existence of God but aren’t sure you can accept Jesus’ claim to be “God in the flesh.” The teacher from Nazareth promised help to those who are concerned about doing the will of God. He said, “If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether My teaching comes from God or whether I speak on My own” (John 7:17 NIV).
If you do see the evidence for the God who revealed Himself to us through His Son, then keep in mind that the Bible says Christ died to pay the price for our sins, and that all who believe in Him will receive the gifts of forgiveness and everlasting life. The salvation Christ offers is not a reward for effort but a gift to all who in light of the evidence put their trust in Him (John 5:24; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-10).
To accept God’s gift of salvation, you can pray something like this:
“God, I know I’m a sinner. I know I can’t save myself. I believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins. I believe He rose from the dead to live His life through all who believe in Him. I now receive Him as my Saviour. I accept Your offer of forgiveness and everlasting life. Thank You, Father. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.”
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In these times, more and more people are turning from atheist to believers.

Corona, potential WW3, recession. Can Jesus save us?

Are you rethinking your beliefs?
What is your take?

Do you believe in god?

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In these times, more and more people are turning from atheist to believers.

Corona, potential WW3, recession. Can Jesus save us?

Are you rethinking your beliefs?
What is your take?

Do you believe in god?

Pope_Francis_ordains_10_men_to_the_priesthood_May_7_2017_Credit_Daniel_Ibez_CNA.jpg
Humanity is about to have a huge collective awakening.

There's a lot of things that were never witnessed in modern history about to happen.
 

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Yes. That's why I'm not a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Jew, nor any of the sects of the preceding.

I'm a Christian in the sense that I firmly believe in Christ. I was raised catholic, but I'm completely done with them

The relation between any person and God is purely individual. It's an inner search, you might witness God in many places, but the only place you can find God is inside yourself.

Right now we're living the experience of separation, in which an illusion of being apart from the Source exists as a way of living as an indiviudal. We're experimenting that so we can understand things that otherwise would never be understood.