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Absolutely…but they talk eloquently. One sister is a simultaneous Italian translator and is often hired in governmental or executive board meetings. She’s half Italian.
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...hmm interesting.
"They're wealthy & can afford gated community living."
Life must be pretty dismal there for those who can't.
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Is she into (Mildly)overweight middle aged guys living on a fixed income?
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TAX free payback might I add….
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She used to do modelling and events. She’s very vain. Botox vain. Lol
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I will say the ones near me do give back to the local communities, and are known as good places to work. So they have that going for them....but still drive by the big Casino on a winter wednesday morning the large parking lot is crowded and the retirement home buses are lined up outside....it's just sort of sad.
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Should have been donated to a prestigious museum like in Chicago.
What were they made out of?
Stone?
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Why don’t we treat every person who wants to buy a gun like a woman who wants to have an abortion…
Mandatory 48 hour waiting period
a note from their doctor explaining they know what they are about to do
watch a video about gun violence
Let’s close down all but ONE gun shop in every state so they have to travel hundreds of miles to buy one, take time off of work, and stay in a strange town overnight at a hotel in order to have one
Make them walk through a gauntlet of protestors holding photos of their loved ones who were lost to gun violence and graphic photos of the slain victims and bloodshed
all while people scream at them calling then murderous villains before they even reach the door
Mandatory 48 hour waiting period
a note from their doctor explaining they know what they are about to do
watch a video about gun violence
Let’s close down all but ONE gun shop in every state so they have to travel hundreds of miles to buy one, take time off of work, and stay in a strange town overnight at a hotel in order to have one
Make them walk through a gauntlet of protestors holding photos of their loved ones who were lost to gun violence and graphic photos of the slain victims and bloodshed
all while people scream at them calling then murderous villains before they even reach the door
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Keep reading the USA is gonna overturn Roe vs Wade soon.
wonder what's gonna hapen next.
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no… they can suck it up like the women going to planned parenthood for emergency contraception and STI testing do after they are raped
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Well that hardly seems fair!!
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Let me just go ahead and say this much, it is numerical in nature.
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It appears the boy went on a rampage because 1) He was being bullied and 2) He claimed to hear voices. Other people are saying he was autistic. The terrorism charge seems total bull shit too as terrorism must have a political motivation and no such motivation has been found. Hell, the racist black nationalist Christmas parade mass killer should be charged with terrorism as he clearly had a political motivation. The retarded 15 year old? Not so much.
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I have that constitutional 2A right to DEFEND my human rights.
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The kid threw a deer head into the court yard. Threatened to shoot up the school a few times openly. Posed on the internet with the gun and had an actual countdown on his instagram to the shooting.
The parents are negligent shit bags with no regard or respect for the law surrounding gun rights. So of course that's now an argument against MY rights and yours.
So, just to be clear here, you're defending Lokmar's claim that 2A is of higher worth than the lives of your children?
Have you explained why to your children?
As an outside observer of the Great American Experiment, I look upon the current crop of Militias in the U.S. and they don't appear to be "well regulated." Not to me, at least. But maybe that's because, as Reggie keeps saying, I'm "unfree."
In the end, to my mind, if citizens of a nation are willing to sacrifice that nation's adherence to international standards upholding the Rule of Law in favour of lethal individual remedies to acts violating their fundamental human rights, then that nation has gone rogue. It becomes a country peopled by vigilantes, certainly a far cry from "well regulated Militias."
Again, though, Dovey, take this mild criticism with a grain of salt. The U.S. is your country, not mine. This constant interplay between 2A and gun control is endlessly fascinating to me as someone who is forever curious about--but not particularly emotionally invested in--how people choose to govern themselves, both as private individuals and as members of a polity.
All this warbling about the Second Amendment by people who aren't Americans (and that would include me, obviously) is ultimately moot. It's a purely domestic issue.
I guess I'm just tired of witnessing yet another round of "our prayers go out to the families affected by this senseless tragedy" without any concrete steps ever being taken to address the problem of gun violence. You know, sometimes "after the fact" prayers just aren't enough. But, again, not only is the ball in your court, but I'm just a spectator here. Please don't mistake my beer-soaked burping for heckling.
Still, I refer you to Articles 3 and 8 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Nowhere are firearms and vigilantism mentioned.
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1. Ummm no, I was addressing only what you said to me.
2. There are plenty well regulated militias. You dont see them unless you know them or directly know of them because when they are brought up, it's always in some partisan negative manner. Governments dont like people unifying together with a common goal unless it's to their benefit. Not the peoples. Of course their bad "militias" that function more like criminal gangs.
3. I'm really not sure what you are saying here. But any sort of "international" standard doesnt automatically apply to America especailly if the standard is out of line with American standards.
I'm not sure vigilante is being used correctly. A vigilante is some one who goes out looking for crime to fight and taking that into their own hands. Self defense is not even close to vigilantism. It's a human right to protect your own life and/or the lives of your children especially when police are not an option. You cant tell a violent attacker "Wait hold on! I gotta call the cops". To deprive someone of the right AND ability to defend their lives is very draconian and that's not even an international standard.
If I got you wrong i apologize, feel free to correct.
4. Well Blurt if you are tired of that, and concrete steps, then you should agree that the multiple threats Ethan made, the disturbed behavior he had been showing, the countdown to the school shooting he put on Instagram and the pictures he had posted of him with gun.....the several students who went to staff multiple times over the matter probably should have acted on.
Regulating guns just absolutely does not work. It would not have stopped this. We already have a regulation on hand guns that were disregarded here and it occured. It didnt occur BECAUSE of the gun, either. There were SEVERAL warning signs and so much time given to intervene on an obvious problem and steps could have been taken to prevent this that doesnt involve everyone who is a law abiding citizen.
Right. I have a right to defend my life and the life of my children and I shouldnt be deprived of the means to do so.
And no one in this entire exchange has vigilantism been advocated for. Vigilantism is illegal and no one has suggested changing that. The ability to defend oneself is not at all vigilantism is any way. I have no idea why this word keeps popping up in conversations about self defense. The two are not even close to the same.
A vigilante is someone who goes out in search of people breaking the law in order to act on it. It is not acting to defend yourself when crime comes directly to you. This is a VERY important distinction.
Would that include heading out to a neighbouring state, grabbing a rifle, and dropping oneself in the middle of civil unrest despite the authorities advising people to stay away because of the possibility of riots?
Asking for myself.
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So I knew this narrative was coming when I started reading how media is reporting this.
And instead of talking about all the factors relevant to this crime, like the threats, the complaints from other students. The deer head. The countdown on insta and the fact other kids stayed home that day because they were scared Ethan was going to do something awful......what do they address?
Some moronic "open letter" to Trump back in 2016.
So now it's being spun as an act of terrorism because the kid has "Trumpist" parents. Are you fucking kidding me?
So it's fine to exploit a school shooting and USE it as a partisan tool.
But.....when an actual terrorist attack happens....because a terrorist attack requires a political motive, its minimized, call a "car crash" and quickly moved on from. A fucking radical didnt like the Rittenhouse verdict and drove a vehicle through a parade murdering children and elderly women and injuring 60 and that's just a crash.
But some deeply disturbed kid who gave so many red flags he could be China commits a school shooting.....and claims he was bullied....and the narrative that he committed an act of terror because his mother posted a letter to Trump in 2016 is crafted.
So no one is talking about how the adults dropped the ball and failed. That maybe school staff could have intervened and didnt and how we should look at THAT to learn something and make for more prepared public schools that are equipped to prevent these events.
No one is talking about the actual motives of the kid.
Nope. He had political motives as evidence of his MOMS post online. And this was caused by the constitution. So we need to over regulate guns and punish law abiding citizens.
So once again its morphed into a left wing talking point for their political agenda. And God forbid they miss this opportunity to spew hatred and blame at everyone who doesnt vote their way.
SMDH.
And instead of talking about all the factors relevant to this crime, like the threats, the complaints from other students. The deer head. The countdown on insta and the fact other kids stayed home that day because they were scared Ethan was going to do something awful......what do they address?
Some moronic "open letter" to Trump back in 2016.
So now it's being spun as an act of terrorism because the kid has "Trumpist" parents. Are you fucking kidding me?
So it's fine to exploit a school shooting and USE it as a partisan tool.
But.....when an actual terrorist attack happens....because a terrorist attack requires a political motive, its minimized, call a "car crash" and quickly moved on from. A fucking radical didnt like the Rittenhouse verdict and drove a vehicle through a parade murdering children and elderly women and injuring 60 and that's just a crash.
But some deeply disturbed kid who gave so many red flags he could be China commits a school shooting.....and claims he was bullied....and the narrative that he committed an act of terror because his mother posted a letter to Trump in 2016 is crafted.
So no one is talking about how the adults dropped the ball and failed. That maybe school staff could have intervened and didnt and how we should look at THAT to learn something and make for more prepared public schools that are equipped to prevent these events.
No one is talking about the actual motives of the kid.
Nope. He had political motives as evidence of his MOMS post online. And this was caused by the constitution. So we need to over regulate guns and punish law abiding citizens.
So once again its morphed into a left wing talking point for their political agenda. And God forbid they miss this opportunity to spew hatred and blame at everyone who doesnt vote their way.
SMDH.
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Nope. Not if you are half from the community and live a 20 minutes drive and you work there and your dad is there.
The civil unresters traveled much farther for the chance to destroy someone else's home and violently attack locals like the 70 year old man who got his jaw broken.
The entire issue is it was state sanctioned violence and the police were so derelict in their duty to protect the people and community that Kyle couldnt even turn himself IN.
People absolutely have the right to go out to protect their community when its descended on by violent rioters.
No one in Kenosha including Kyle went looking for these people. They showed up there.
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A gun he obtained even though no one his age can legally have it here in Michigan. One that he posed with in pictures on the internet that other students showed to school staff.
A phone call to CPS could have helped prevent this. If they didnt remove him they would have been working with the family and attention would have been called to this very clear problem.
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...maybe that's the fault of the School ls administrators and the way they run run them now. Clearly this was some special needs child who needed specialists.
And they put these kids in schools in with normal kids thinking they'll fit & blend in with them. But of course they don't.
I see that problem here too. The schools mistakenly believe that by socializing special needs kids like that, it's 'good for them'. Some may be suitable but others like this boy aren't.
Little wonder there's a huge growth in private schools. So the parents don't have to be mixed in with the ones who shouldnt be there to begin with.
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It's not a maybe that this could have prevented by the school. It's a certainty.
You dont just ignore the kind of shit this kid was doing. When it's so obvious other students knew to stay home.....come the fuck on.
You dont just ignore the kind of shit this kid was doing. When it's so obvious other students knew to stay home.....come the fuck on.
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