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This is the kind of Dove post that makes my asshole slam SO PAINFULLY SHUT that none of you could drive a six penny nail up it with a 28 ounce framing hammer.
a faggot like you could use his asshole being completely shut for a chance.

Now, if only Dovey could do something about your disgusting face pussy you'd be all set

I really dont know how I was supposed to take that lol.

I'm not trying to loosen up buttholes today lol
 

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What do you suppose Jesus meant to suggest when he said "the kingdom of God is HERE?"

My answer would be biblical so I dont know if you really want me to answer that?

What do you think He meant?

All serious answers, where the controversial sayings of Jesus are concerned, are usually "biblical" and I wanted you to answer it or I would not have asked.

Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom so when he was saying the "Kingdom is here," he was talking about himself and I assume his followers at that time...

That the first Covenant was being fulfilled and the reign of Christ on earth had begun....yes. That is what He was saying.

If you are talking about English Bible translations, this is a valid "biblical" answer. The amount of scholarly and denominational disagreement about how to translate the Greek which can also be rendered "the kingdom of God is at hand" has taken some turns during the last century or so, just like with several other "problematic" or "difficult" sayings of Jesus. So now we have so many translations that it's difficult to stand them all next to one another. But we're talking about LK 17:20-21.

Personally I shade my understanding a little differently, and understand it in the context of "this fucking mess here, THIS is the kingdom...and if you are going to assume the kingship THROUGH ME, you need to wrap your head around this mess and ask what your first step should be. And then the next step, etc."

Is this kingdom present, or is it future? I think it is both. There has ben fulfillment, but there has not been consummation.
 

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This is the kind of Dove post that makes my asshole slam SO PAINFULLY SHUT that none of you could drive a six penny nail up it with a 28 ounce framing hammer.
a faggot like you could use his asshole being completely shut for a chance.

Now, if only Dovey could do something about your disgusting face pussy you'd be all set

I really dont know how I was supposed to take that lol.

I'm not trying to loosen up buttholes today lol
Same guy that says he spent time watching Tijuana hookers try to suck life into dead dicks. Either his or someone elses. Weird fetish either way.

Plus, he also likes to jerk off to scenes of 12 year old girls as he explicitly stated in the Natile Portman incident
 

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Big leaky water buckets are YOUR department, meat head. No sense wasting bandwidth repeating shit like a full-on spammer.
 

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What do you suppose Jesus meant to suggest when he said "the kingdom of God is HERE?"

My answer would be biblical so I dont know if you really want me to answer that?

What do you think He meant?

All serious answers, where the controversial sayings of Jesus are concerned, are usually "biblical" and I wanted you to answer it or I would not have asked.

Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom so when he was saying the "Kingdom is here," he was talking about himself and I assume his followers at that time...

That the first Covenant was being fulfilled and the reign of Christ on earth had begun....yes. That is what He was saying.

If you are talking about English Bible translations, this is a valid "biblical" answer. The amount of scholarly and denominational disagreement about how to translate the Greek which can also be rendered "the kingdom of God is at hand" has taken some turns during the last century or so, just like with several other "problematic" or "difficult" sayings of Jesus. So now we have so many translations that it's difficult to stand them all next to one another. But we're talking about LK 17:20-21.

Personally I shade my understanding a little differently, and understand it in the context of "this fucking mess here, THIS is the kingdom...and if you are going to assume the kingship THROUGH ME, you need to wrap your head around this mess and ask what your first step should be. And then the next step, etc."

Is this kingdom present, or is it future? I think it is both. There has ben fulfillment, but there has not been consummation.

No, Levon. They dont really disagree that much. Most of the disagreements is in secondary doctrines. Blatant errors are obvious and do a lot to draw a line between religion and tradition and the Spirit.

I have several translations myself. My favorite currently is NKJV because I like the flow. Any serious study of scripture is going to require more than one translation, knowledge of the culture and times the book(going book by book as the bible is made up of many books from various authors) what the audience was and the writer. It pays to have lexicons so you can reference the native language be it the old Hebrew or Kione Greek.

If someone is very serious about learning there are a lot of tools to learn with.

If it's really an issue of "all these people say different things and translate it differently" you can decide by investigation. That's what I have done. I grew up in a Pentcostal version with tons of issues with this topic and earnest genuine study explained a lot.

There is a lot of debate on eschatology....secondary doctrine. It's all clear enough if you have a passion to learn.

Usually when people make this argument it's more of an excuse than anything. And the ones making it are typically pretty hostile about it and are saying it more to shut down a convo rather than to enhance it. No one who studies would say its shrouded in too much mystery for anyone to know......disagreements dont mean that it is. It just means this is a way to work to draw near to God, and it says if you draw near to God He will draw near to you.

We are called to be as the Bereans who tested the teachings of Paul.

I have come to view it as a living Word that is very relevant today even though it was written and canonized long ago.

The non cannon books are interesting as well.....but a few cults are heavy into them.
 
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Big leaky water buckets are YOUR department, meat head. No sense wasting bandwidth repeating shit like a full-on spammer.

Ah, relax, Levon. Biggies is just part of the Kingdom at hand.

He sure is a little devil, though, ain't he?

:Whatevr3:
 

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@Aryan

Here is the scripture about your question earlier

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Matthew 22.

There you have it. We will be us but we wont be the same.

I dont think biological sex and gender are gonna be a thing. We arent going to be dying humans. We are not going to reproduce or function like we do here.
 

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What do you suppose Jesus meant to suggest when he said "the kingdom of God is HERE?"

My answer would be biblical so I dont know if you really want me to answer that?

What do you think He meant?

All serious answers, where the controversial sayings of Jesus are concerned, are usually "biblical" and I wanted you to answer it or I would not have asked.

Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom so when he was saying the "Kingdom is here," he was talking about himself and I assume his followers at that time...

That the first Covenant was being fulfilled and the reign of Christ on earth had begun....yes. That is what He was saying.

If you are talking about English Bible translations, this is a valid "biblical" answer. The amount of scholarly and denominational disagreement about how to translate the Greek which can also be rendered "the kingdom of God is at hand" has taken some turns during the last century or so, just like with several other "problematic" or "difficult" sayings of Jesus. So now we have so many translations that it's difficult to stand them all next to one another. But we're talking about LK 17:20-21.

Personally I shade my understanding a little differently, and understand it in the context of "this fucking mess here, THIS is the kingdom...and if you are going to assume the kingship THROUGH ME, you need to wrap your head around this mess and ask what your first step should be. And then the next step, etc."

Is this kingdom present, or is it future? I think it is both. There has ben fulfillment, but there has not been consummation.

No, Levon. They dont really disagree that much. Most of the disagreements is in secondary doctrines. Blatant errors are obvious and do a lot to draw a line between religion and tradition and the Spirit.

I have several translations myself. My favorite currently is NKJV because I like the flow. Any serious study of scripture is going to require more than one translation, knowledge of the culture and times the book(going book by book as the bible is made up of many books from various authors) what the audience was and the writer. It pays to have lexicons so you can reference the native language be it the old Hebrew or Kione Greek.

If someone is very serious about learning there are a lot of tools to learn with.

If it's really an issue of "all these people say different things and translate it differently" you can decide by investigation. That's what I have done. I grew up in a Pentcostal version with tons of issues with this topic and earnest genuine study explained a lot.

There is a lot of debate on eschatology....secondary doctrine. It's all clear enough if you have a passion to learn.

Usually when people make this argument it's more of an excuse than anything. And the ones making it are typically pretty hostile about it and are saying it more to shut down a convo rather than to enhance it. No one who studies would say its shrouded in too much mystery for anyone to know......disagreements dont mean that it is. It just means this is a way to work to draw near to God, and it says if you draw near to God He will draw near to you.

I have come to view it as a living Word that is very relevant today even though it was written and canonized long ago.

The non cannon books are interesting as well.....but a few cults are heavy into them.

I have several different versions of the Bible and I've read them all, backwards and forwards. My fave still remains the Oxford Annotated NRSV, the one we used in my uni classes on Christianity and the New Tesament. When I think a passage in the Bible needs some clarification, I compare it with the same passage in other versions of the Bible. I do the same with all of the world's religious scriptures for which I have to rely on English or French translations. The exception is the Qur'an. Written in Arabic, there aren't that many authorized versions in translation.
 

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What do you suppose Jesus meant to suggest when he said "the kingdom of God is HERE?"

My answer would be biblical so I dont know if you really want me to answer that?

What do you think He meant?

All serious answers, where the controversial sayings of Jesus are concerned, are usually "biblical" and I wanted you to answer it or I would not have asked.

Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom so when he was saying the "Kingdom is here," he was talking about himself and I assume his followers at that time...

That the first Covenant was being fulfilled and the reign of Christ on earth had begun....yes. That is what He was saying.

If you are talking about English Bible translations, this is a valid "biblical" answer. The amount of scholarly and denominational disagreement about how to translate the Greek which can also be rendered "the kingdom of God is at hand" has taken some turns during the last century or so, just like with several other "problematic" or "difficult" sayings of Jesus. So now we have so many translations that it's difficult to stand them all next to one another. But we're talking about LK 17:20-21.

Personally I shade my understanding a little differently, and understand it in the context of "this fucking mess here, THIS is the kingdom...and if you are going to assume the kingship THROUGH ME, you need to wrap your head around this mess and ask what your first step should be. And then the next step, etc."

Is this kingdom present, or is it future? I think it is both. There has ben fulfillment, but there has not been consummation.

No, Levon. They dont really disagree that much. Most of the disagreements is in secondary doctrines. Blatant errors are obvious and do a lot to draw a line between religion and tradition and the Spirit.

I have several translations myself. My favorite currently is NKJV because I like the flow. Any serious study of scripture is going to require more than one translation, knowledge of the culture and times the book(going book by book as the bible is made up of many books from various authors) what the audience was and the writer. It pays to have lexicons so you can reference the native language be it the old Hebrew or Kione Greek.

If someone is very serious about learning there are a lot of tools to learn with.

If it's really an issue of "all these people say different things and translate it differently" you can decide by investigation. That's what I have done. I grew up in a Pentcostal version with tons of issues with this topic and earnest genuine study explained a lot.

There is a lot of debate on eschatology....secondary doctrine. It's all clear enough if you have a passion to learn.

Usually when people make this argument it's more of an excuse than anything. And the ones making it are typically pretty hostile about it and are saying it more to shut down a convo rather than to enhance it. No one who studies would say its shrouded in too much mystery for anyone to know......disagreements dont mean that it is. It just means this is a way to work to draw near to God, and it says if you draw near to God He will draw near to you.

I have come to view it as a living Word that is very relevant today even though it was written and canonized long ago.

The non cannon books are interesting as well.....but a few cults are heavy into them.

I have several different versions of the Bible and I've read them all, backwards and forwards. My fave still remains the Oxford Annotated NRSV, the one we used in my uni classes on Christianity and the New Tesament. When I think a passage in the Bible needs some clarification, I compare it with the same passage in other versions of the Bible. I do the same with all of the world's religious scriptures for which I have to rely on English or French translations. The exception is the Qur'an. Written in Arabic, there aren't that many authorized versions in translation.

Not to be picky but you mean different translations.. ..not versions.

Youd want to rely a lot on Hebrew and Kione Greek for the bible. And the figures of speech and idioms are important to know.

I wouldnt do very well in depth studying all religious texts. Just the Bible alone requires a lot.

Not that I havent investigated others, I simply chose to devote most time into the Bible. Muslims have several books....they are not permitted to touch the Qu'ran but rather rely on the male of the house to recite it. Haadiths I think they can touch. Maybe depending on whatever sect.
 

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Is monster still crying his eyes out as his leaky asshole clams itself shut while a tijuana hooker tries to suck some life into his dead dick?

Afterwards maybe he can watch a movie with a 12 year old Natalie Portman and whack off again like he did back at TV?
 

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Translations, yes (in French, "version").

Still, some translations of the Bible are, literally, versions of it. Take, for instance, the inclusion (or exclusion, as the case may be) of the Deuterocanonical Books, usually referred to as the Apocrypha.

I'm also quite taken with the so-called Essene Gospels found in the middle of the last century in Qumran.
 

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Is monster still crying his eyes out as his leaky asshole clams itself shut while a tijuana hooker tries to suck some life into his dead dick?

Afterwards maybe he can watch a movie with a 12 year old Natalie Portman and whack off again like he did back at TV?

I dont know. We may be heading into the "my studying was better than your studying so I know more than you" part of the exchange and if it is, I'll probably bail the convo lol.

If someone doesnt believe or doesnt want to believe they dont really have to defend why or try to prove anything. I've had enough exchanges with hostile people who say they've read it many times, know it "better than every Christian", they dont believe BECAUSE they've read it.....but then they say things that prove they havent.

Things like "Well Adam and Eve only had 3 sons how does that work"? Or "talking snakes" and other things like that.

Not saying I'm expecting that here. Just giving an example of some exchanges I've had with nonbelievers who know the bible way better than me.

I never took a uni class on it and I probably certainly wouldnt. I was but a lowly recovering smack head who REALLY wanted to know God. So I dove in for years.

That's the beauty of it. You dont have to listen to another person.. you can just dig in yourself. Ask trusted people questions. People that WANT to know and are seeking genuinely will.
 

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What do you suppose Jesus meant to suggest when he said "the kingdom of God is HERE?"

My answer would be biblical so I dont know if you really want me to answer that?

What do you think He meant?

All serious answers, where the controversial sayings of Jesus are concerned, are usually "biblical" and I wanted you to answer it or I would not have asked.

Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom so when he was saying the "Kingdom is here," he was talking about himself and I assume his followers at that time...

That the first Covenant was being fulfilled and the reign of Christ on earth had begun....yes. That is what He was saying.

If you are talking about English Bible translations, this is a valid "biblical" answer. The amount of scholarly and denominational disagreement about how to translate the Greek which can also be rendered "the kingdom of God is at hand" has taken some turns during the last century or so, just like with several other "problematic" or "difficult" sayings of Jesus. So now we have so many translations that it's difficult to stand them all next to one another. But we're talking about LK 17:20-21.

Personally I shade my understanding a little differently, and understand it in the context of "this fucking mess here, THIS is the kingdom...and if you are going to assume the kingship THROUGH ME, you need to wrap your head around this mess and ask what your first step should be. And then the next step, etc."

Is this kingdom present, or is it future? I think it is both. There has ben fulfillment, but there has not been consummation.

No, Levon. They dont really disagree that much. Most of the disagreements is in secondary doctrines. Blatant errors are obvious and do a lot to draw a line between religion and tradition and the Spirit.

I have several translations myself. My favorite currently is NKJV because I like the flow. Any serious study of scripture is going to require more than one translation, knowledge of the culture and times the book(going book by book as the bible is made up of many books from various authors) what the audience was and the writer. It pays to have lexicons so you can reference the native language be it the old Hebrew or Kione Greek.

If someone is very serious about learning there are a lot of tools to learn with.

If it's really an issue of "all these people say different things and translate it differently" you can decide by investigation. That's what I have done. I grew up in a Pentcostal version with tons of issues with this topic and earnest genuine study explained a lot.

There is a lot of debate on eschatology....secondary doctrine. It's all clear enough if you have a passion to learn.

Usually when people make this argument it's more of an excuse than anything. And the ones making it are typically pretty hostile about it and are saying it more to shut down a convo rather than to enhance it. No one who studies would say its shrouded in too much mystery for anyone to know......disagreements dont mean that it is. It just means this is a way to work to draw near to God, and it says if you draw near to God He will draw near to you.

I have come to view it as a living Word that is very relevant today even though it was written and canonized long ago.

The non cannon books are interesting as well.....but a few cults are heavy into them.

I have several different versions of the Bible and I've read them all, backwards and forwards. My fave still remains the Oxford Annotated NRSV, the one we used in my uni classes on Christianity and the New Tesament. When I think a passage in the Bible needs some clarification, I compare it with the same passage in other versions of the Bible. I do the same with all of the world's religious scriptures for which I have to rely on English or French translations. The exception is the Qur'an. Written in Arabic, there aren't that many authorized versions in translation.

Unless you get what happened in Eden, you won't understand the entire Bible.

Daniel is an important book however, to modern Jews its considered a minor book. And you need an understanding of Genesis, Daniel, Matthew and Revelation... a very symbolic story but not as much as people think...

There is no mystery to the Bible... it is a record of what happened, what is happening now, this very moment, and what is going to happen in the near future.... and there is no doubt in my mind in the far future God will have humans populating other galaxies. He didn't create them for nothing. They will have a purpose.
 

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Translations, yes (in French, "version").

Still, some translations of the Bible are, literally, versions of it. Take, for instance, the inclusion (or exclusion, as the case may be) of the Deuterocanonical Books, usually referred to as the Apocrypha.

I'm also quite taken with the so-called Essene Gospels found in the middle of the last century in Qumran.

Apocrypha are not different versions of the bible.... those are noncannonized books. They weren't banned or booted.....they were just not canonized. Enoch is considered a worthy text for sure for history purposes.... clearly it makes people uncomfortable and it's not considered a book written by confluence. It's not about Christ...so it isnt cannonized.

I'm not much into gnostics....Paul did warn of them. I've seen them, scrutinized them and they dont flow with OT/NT bible.
 

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Is monster still crying his eyes out as his leaky asshole clams itself shut while a tijuana hooker tries to suck some life into his dead dick?

Afterwards maybe he can watch a movie with a 12 year old Natalie Portman and whack off again like he did back at TV?

I dont know. We may be heading into the "my studying was better than your studying so I know more than you" part of the exchange and if it is, I'll probably bail the convo lol.

If someone doesnt believe or doesnt want to believe they dont really have to defend why or try to prove anything. I've had enough exchanges with hostile people who say they've read it many times, know it "better than every Christian", they dont believe BECAUSE they've read it.....but then they say things that prove they havent.

Things like "Well Adam and Eve only had 3 sons how does that work"? Or "talking snakes" and other things like that.

Not saying I'm expecting that here. Just giving an example of some exchanges I've had with nonbelievers who know the bible way better than me.

I never took a uni class on it and I probably certainly wouldnt. I was but a lowly recovering smack head who REALLY wanted to know God. So I dove in for years.

That's the beauty of it. You dont have to listen to another person.. you can just dig in yourself. Ask trusted people questions. People that WANT to know and are seeking genuinely will.
YOu don't need a uni class to read and understand the bible. That's for low IQ idiots who need someone to puree the thoughts into easy to assimilate terms and tell them they did well afterwards because they lack the ambition and intelligence to do it on their own.
 

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Is monster still crying his eyes out as his leaky asshole clams itself shut while a tijuana hooker tries to suck some life into his dead dick?

Afterwards maybe he can watch a movie with a 12 year old Natalie Portman and whack off again like he did back at TV?

I dont know. We may be heading into the "my studying was better than your studying so I know more than you" part of the exchange and if it is, I'll probably bail the convo lol.

If someone doesnt believe or doesnt want to believe they dont really have to defend why or try to prove anything. I've had enough exchanges with hostile people who say they've read it many times, know it "better than every Christian", they dont believe BECAUSE they've read it.....but then they say things that prove they havent.

Things like "Well Adam and Eve only had 3 sons how does that work"? Or "talking snakes" and other things like that.

Not saying I'm expecting that here. Just giving an example of some exchanges I've had with nonbelievers who know the bible way better than me.

I never took a uni class on it and I probably certainly wouldnt. I was but a lowly recovering smack head who REALLY wanted to know God. So I dove in for years.

That's the beauty of it. You dont have to listen to another person.. you can just dig in yourself. Ask trusted people questions. People that WANT to know and are seeking genuinely will.
YOu don't need a uni class to read and understand the bible. That's for low IQ idiots who need someone to puree the thoughts into easy to assimilate terms and tell them they did well afterwards because they lack the ambition and intelligence to do it on their own.

I dont think they offer it here in the US.

I feel like if you walked in the door with a Bible a riot would bust out lol. They'd all be hissing and flopping on the floor :LOL3:

I dont think they have any "safe places" for people like me. I'm sure they have them to escape people like me lol
 

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You have to want to know what the Bible says as Dovey said... I'm upset with the change in wording of my most favourite scripture... they dumbed it down.... so simpleton's brains don't stretch,...
 

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You have to want to know what the Bible says as Dovey said... I'm upset with the change in wording of my most favourite scripture... they dumbed it down.... so simpleton's brains don't stretch,...

I'm grateful for that though lol. When I was in the dorm at the mission weeks out from detox I was given the Life Recovery Bible. Which i call The Bible for Dummies lol.

I needed it that clear at that time. I grew past my need for the over simplifying though, and I eventually passed it on to one of the new women who came in and was really hungry for truth. I also kept a pretty extensive journal from that time to write about what I was studying. I gave that to her as well.

Sometimes it's just gotta be really easy and as a person grows in it they start really digging in and go past it.
 

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Jesus left people with only 2 commandments... To love God whole souled and to love your neighbour as yourself .....

If people want to reject that, not much you can do.....

or point and laugh, that is what a flamer can do...
 

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Why couldn't Levon's asshole have slammed shut when Lily's tongue was up it? Maybe that would have finally silenced her for good.