The 14th Birthright Clause

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Sadly, it looks like the SCOTUS will not entertain the Liberal notion of Jus Sanguinis citizenship.
. It's a strange irony that Trump would oppose the preferred route of Kings,
...but then how much is up-side down and backwards these days in American politics.
Europe got it right, those nations abandoned Jus soli citizenship when they rejected monarchy.
I saw signs on the 28th reading "America - Rejecting Kings since 1776" (but apparently not its trappings).

Oh well, bring on them tarmac babies.
 
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Sadly, it looks like the SCOTUS will not entertain the Liberal notion of Jus Sanguinis citizenship.
. It's a strange irony that Trump would oppose the preferred route of Kings,
...but then how much is up-side down and backwards these days in American politics.
Europe got it right, those nations abandoned Jus soli citizenship when they rejected monarchy.
I saw signs on the 28th reading "America - Rejecting Kings since 1776" (but apparently not its trappings).

Oh well, bring on them tarmac babies.
Try to be moar clear. So you WANT inferior third worlders to come here and drop babies so they can steal our benefits, or you agree that the 14th only applied to American nigger ex-slaves?
 
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Try to be moar clear. So you WANT inferior third worlders to come here and drop babies so they can steal our benefits, or you agree that the 14th only applied to American nigger ex-slaves?
That was clear, Ragnar. I'm disappointed that the 14th birthright clause has been misinterpreted in current law, and that apparently SCOTUS will let it stand. Sure, why not bring back monarchy.
 

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That was clear, Ragnar. I'm disappointed that the 14th birthright clause has been misinterpreted in current law, and that apparently SCOTUS will let it stand. Sure, why not bring back monarchy.
No, dude. It was not clear. You've never been known to be very clear unless you're talking about antique fishing gear.
 
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No, dude. It was not clear. You've never been known to be very clear unless you're talking about antique fishing gear.
What precisely is not clear about this, Ragtard?

"Sadly, it looks like the SCOTUS will not entertain the Liberal notion of Jus Sanguinis citizenship.
. It's a strange irony that Trump would oppose the preferred route of Kings,
...but then how much is up-side down and backwards these days in American politics.
Europe got it right, those nations abandoned Jus soli citizenship when they rejected monarchy.
I saw signs on the 28th reading "America - Rejecting Kings since 1776" (but apparently not its trappings).

Oh well, bring on them tarmac babies."
 

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What precisely is not clear about this, Ragtard?

"Sadly, it looks like the SCOTUS will not entertain the Liberal notion of Jus Sanguinis citizenship.
. It's a strange irony that Trump would oppose the preferred route of Kings,
...but then how much is up-side down and backwards these days in American politics.
Europe got it right, those nations abandoned Jus soli citizenship when they rejected monarchy.
I saw signs on the 28th reading "America - Rejecting Kings since 1776" (but apparently not its trappings).

Oh well, bring on them tarmac babies."
The misinterpretation of the 14 Amendment has nothing to do with Monarchy. That's just stupid. The misinterpretation has everything to do with vile and evil Leftist Democrats wanting to flood the country with inferior third worlders to replace and overwhelm the American voters who don't vote for them anymore.

It's really quite elementary. Leftist Democrat Scum put their Party and political power over the good of the nation. They are all traitors to Liberty and the United States and should be spat upon. Every last Registered Democrat one of them.
 
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The misinterpretation of the 14 Amendment has nothing to do with Monarchy. That's just stupid. The misinterpretation has everything to do with vile and evil Leftist Democrats wanting to flood the country with inferior third worlders to replace and overwhelm the American voters who don't vote for them anymore.

It's really quite elementary. Leftist Democrat Scum put their Party and political power over the good of the nation. They are all traitors to Liberty and the United States and should be spat upon. Every last Registered Democrat one of them.
Reggie, dear laddie, it has all to do with monarchy. In olden monarchy times all born in the king's domain where his subjects for life and beholden to him/her. When that antequated system of govorning was overthrown, Jus Sanguinis citizenship became the norm among all liberalized/civilized nations with the exception of Canada and The US. Further to that, the 14th birthright clause has been very willfully misinterpreted, and I had some small hope that we might see the situation rectified. Apparently we will not so in resignation of that fact I mock it saying bring on the tarmac babies.
 

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Reggie, dear laddie, it has all to do with monarchy. In olden monarchy times all born in the king's domain where his subjects for life and beholden to him/her. When that antequated system of govorning was overthrown, Jus Sanguinis citizenship became the norm among all liberalized/civilized nations with the exception of Canada and The US. Further to that, the 14th birthright clause has been very willfully misinterpreted, and I had some small hope that we might see the situation rectified. Apparently we will not so in resignation of that fact I mock it saying bring on the tarmac babies.
Maybe you should ask SeaSlopey about that Prevegen stuff for your brain. The 14th has nothing to do with Monarchy in any way, shape or form. You're confusing the clause " ... subject to the jurisdiction thereof ... with the Magna Carta or something.
 
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Maybe you should ask SeaSlopey about that Prevegen stuff for your brain. The 14th has nothing to do with Monarchy in any way, shape or form. You're confusing the clause " ... subject to the jurisdiction thereof ... with the Magna Carta or something.
Precisely - To be subject to the jurisdiction of means to be a citizen, not under the jurisdiction of any other nation (or king/Emporer etc), therefor of the blood, not the soil. Jus Soli, as stated, was the way in monarchy.
 

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Precisely - To be subject to the jurisdiction of means to be a citizen, not under the jurisdiction of any other nation (or king/Emporer etc), therefor of the blood, not the soil. Jus Soli, as stated, was the way in monarchy.
That's the most convoluted stretch I've ever seen.

Ante Bellum negro slaves were not citizens, but they were "subject to the jurisdiction" of State and Federal Law; therefore the 14th Amendment was conceived to extend citizenship to all the freed negroes and all their little niglets in perpetuity. It had nothing to do with the archaic notion of Blood and Soil and nothing to do with conferring citizenship on the spawn of inferior 3rd worlders that waddle into emergency rooms to drop a papoose.
 
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That's the most convoluted stretch I've ever seen.

Ante Bellum negro slaves were not citizens, but they were "subject to the jurisdiction" of State and Federal Law; therefore the 14th Amendment was conceived to extend citizenship to all the freed negroes and all their little niglets in perpetuity. It had nothing to do with the archaic notion of Blood and Soil and nothing to do with conferring citizenship on the spawn of inferior 3rd worlders that waddle into emergency rooms to drop a papoose.
. It was citizenship extended to the children of freed slaves, who were citizens and under the jurisdiction thereof.. as free persons.
.. Want proof? - it was not extended to the children of native American people since they were under the jurisdiction of their tribal nations although born within US borders. It is the parents status as citizens that matter, not where one is born.
...and, yes - this notion (Jus Sanguinis citizenship) came about when monarchy was swept aside as societies evolved.

PS: of course you MAGA are trying to bring back monarchy.

To be under the jurisdiction thereof in ol timey speak means to have rights and responsibilities of citizenship, not simply to have to obey traffic laws as any visitor would ya know.
 
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This is what I meant by "total stretch." The fuck is wrong with you TDS Tards?

Oh, and the Injun shit was fixed.
.. Yeah, in 1924, but the birthright clause of the 14th was in 1868 and unaltered and never tried although some point to Wong though that was actually about the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Here is what Senator Trumbull (author of the clause along with Senator Howard, co-author) had to say.


"This amendment which I have offered, is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Senator Trumbull (co-author) Senator Howard (co-author) concurring.

PS: and even that people manage to misconscrew.

PPS: Look - even AI gets most of this right, Reggie. You can too.

Yes, jus soli (birthright citizenship based on place of birth) is historically and fundamentally linked to monarchy, originating from the English common law principle of "subjecthood" under a monarch.
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Here is how jus soli is connected to monarchy:
  • Origins in Feudalism/Monarchy: The concept originated in 17th-century England (notably in Calvin's Case in 1608). It established that anyone born within the King’s "power, protection, or obedience" was a natural-born subject of the King, regardless of their parents' origin.
  • "Right of the Soil": It was the "law of the land" in the British Empire, where loyalty was owed to the sovereign, not a nation-state or constitution.
  • Colonial Transfer: The United States inherited this common-law rule from Great Britain. Even after the American Revolution, the U.S. adopted this principle of being born within the "jurisdiction" of the new country, eventually formalizing it in the 14th Amendment.
  • Legacy vs. Modern Usage: While rooted in monarchy, unconditional jus soli today is most commonly found in the Americas (Canada, U.S., Latin America) as a legacy of colonial-era nation-building meant to encourage immigration, rather than for the sustenance of a royal power.
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In summary, jus soli was a feudal concept designed to identify subjects of a king based on where they were born, which has since been adapted into modern republican citizenship laws.
 
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Okay @Reggie_Essent , just so you know that I stick to principle always, here is what I replied to our friends at MoveOn when asked to sign on to defense of birthright citizenship as it now stands in law:

No I won't sign it.
. Jus Sanguinis citizenship is not only what is prescribed in the 14 birthright clause and fully explained before congress by its author, but it is the replacement for Jus Soli citizenship which was the remnant of monarchy abandoned by all liberal democracies of Europe with good reason. We in the USA need to fully modernize, and you at MoveOn need to embrace true Liberal values and not some misguided form of conservatism (libism).
 

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...or @Reggie_Essent one might axe the great oracle what the phrase under the jurisdiction thereof meant in 1868:

In 1868, the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the Fourteenth Amendment meant being under the complete territorial and political sovereignty of the United States, owing direct allegiance to it, rather than to a foreign power. It specifically excluded foreign diplomats, children of enemy forces in hostile occupation, and Native Americans under tribal government.
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Key Understandings in 1868:
  • Territorial Sovereignty: It meant being under the authority of U.S. law, which historically applied to everyone within the nation’s borders, except those with jurisdictional immunities.
  • The Foreigners/Ambassadors Exception: Senator Jacob Howard, who helped draft the clause, explained that the phrase excludes "foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers," as they owe allegiance to a different nation.
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    (1884) Context:
    The Supreme Court later clarified in Elk v. Wilkins that "subject to the jurisdiction" meant not merely being physically present, but being completely subject to U.S. political authority.
  • Alignment with 1866 Civil Rights Act: The language was intended to build upon the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which granted citizenship to those born in the U.S. and "not subject to any foreign power".
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Okay @Reggie_Essent , just so you know that I stick to principle always, here is what I replied to our friends at MoveOn when asked to sign on to defense of birthright citizenship as it now stands in law:
That fact that you give clicks to a traitorous and unAmerican outfit like "MoveOn" proves you are an America-Hating Leftist traitor to Liberty.

Why do you hate America and suck Leftist Cock?
 

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That fact that you give clicks to a traitorous and unAmerican outfit like "MoveOn" proves you are an America-Hating Leftist traitor to Liberty.

Why do you hate America and suck Leftist Cock?
Actually I don't. They have been completely worthless since like arrroooounddd 2002 or so.
. They are the ones coordinating No Kings though but not to worry, Ragnar, I don't send money.
Recently though they sent me one regarding the 14th Amendment case, which was of course just a lead-in to ask for a donation...a donation they did not get, but I did serve up the reply which I quoted.
Unlike you I do not send money to candidates or organization.
 

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Actually I don't. They have been completely worthless since like arrroooounddd 2002 or so.
. They are the ones coordinating No Kings though but not to worry, Ragnar, I don't send money.
Recently though they sent me one regarding the 14th Amendment case, which was of course just a lead-in to ask for a donation...a donation they did not get, but I did serve up the reply which I quoted.
Unlike you I do not send money to candidates or organization.
Where did I ever say I sent money to candidates or organizations? Link?

The fact that you are on the MoveOn email list proves everything I said above. MoveOn has been a DNC agitprop outfit since the days it was formed to "Move On" from the sordid blue dress affair.

Sorry, Leftie. You swim in the stink of Leftism.
 

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Maybe you should ask SeaSlopey about that Prevegen stuff for your brain. The 14th has nothing to do with Monarchy in any way, shape or form. You're confusing the clause " ... subject to the jurisdiction thereof ... with the Magna Carta or something.
Prevegen? You dummy, ya spelled it wrong. Try Prevagen. Your box must be damp. Sorry sucker, no ingredients, no supplements, no brain Reggie. Just like your hero.
 

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That fact that you give clicks to a traitorous and unAmerican outfit like "MoveOn" proves you are an America-Hating Leftist traitor to Liberty.

Why do you hate America and suck Leftist Cock?
I love N. America. You failed Reggie. Big surprise
 

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Try to be moar clear. So you WANT inferior third worlders to come here and drop babies so they can steal our benefits, or you agree that the 14th only applied to American nigger ex-slaves?
Most make more than you, Reggie. Fatso will save you, right? :LOL3:
 

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Prevegen? You dummy, ya spelled it wrong. Try Prevagen. Your box must be damp. Sorry sucker, no ingredients, no supplements, no brain Reggie. Just like your hero.
Ahhh, so you know how it is spelled because you read the label every day when Diego brings them to you, huh?
 

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Where did I ever say I sent money to candidates or organizations? Link?

The fact that you are on the MoveOn email list proves everything I said above. MoveOn has been a DNC agitprop outfit since the days it was formed to "Move On" from the sordid blue dress affair.

Sorry, Leftie. You swim in the stink of Leftism.
Would it make you feel better if I have them delete me from their list?
...but then I will not have the opportunity to reply to their requests and tell them they are wrong and why as I did re: the 14th birthright clause.

"Where did I ever say I sent money to candidates or organizations?"

You don't have to, Reggie, it's written all over you.
 

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Would it make you feel better if I have them delete me from their list?
...but then I will not have the opportunity to reply to their requests and tell them they are wrong and why as I did re: the 14th birthright clause.

"Where did I ever say I sent money to candidates or organizations?"

You don't have to, Reggie, it's written all over you.

You are perfectly free to associate with traitorous scum all you wish.
That's the one drawback about Liberty. Even the dumbasses get to be free.

And for your records: I've never given a single penny to any candidate or political organization. I've a lot of Scot in my bloodline for God's Sake. Frugality is written into the genetic code.
 

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You are perfectly free to associate with traitorous scum all you wish.
That's the one drawback about Liberty. Even the dumbasses get to be free.

And for your records: I've never given a single penny to any candidate or political organization. I've a lot of Scot in my bloodline for God's Sake. Frugality is written into the genetic code.
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