What is life really like for immigrants? Do you want to emigrate?

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

It's warm all year long in Florida too and we don't have that kind of homeless bum crisis here so come up off the bullshit already

They go to Florida too......way down to southern Florida BUT CA is where most go.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

You can't honestly be sitting there trying to tell me that homelessness is a blue issue.

For fuck's sake, woman, wake the fuck up. It's a corporate oligarchy issue, and the oligarchs are red AND blue. They do not care about wedge issues at all. They only see money and power.

You've never been to Portugal, have you? I'd far rather be homeless here. The Portuguese people have much bigger hearts than most Americans. And where do you get the idea that we're the most unequal in terms of wealth? Are you kidding me? No, again, that would be the USA.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

You've never been to Portugal, have you? I'd far rather be homeless here. The Portuguese people have much bigger hearts than most Americans.

For every 1000 portugese people how many of them after of an entirely different ethnicity and how many are in the country illegally?

On a grand scale it's not a matter of having big hearts as it is a matter of a) other countries are footing the bill for their expenditures and b) there's a real sense of ethnic unity there. They are extremely proud of their heritage

We were once extremely proud of who we were back in the 40s and 50's and tell me, what was the % of homelessness in LA as compared to today?

 

[LotusBud]

This thread is about immigration/emigration. Why are you asking me about stats re illegal entry and ethnicity? It's off topic, completely.

I have posted multiple times about ethnicities in Portugal. They accept immgrants from countries they colonized, including parts of India and four African countries. Also, many Brazilians are here, and many of them are black. So just go dream about Admin wanting you some more, would you?

 

[Omnipotent]

Americans don't understand countries that house everyone BUT then those countries don't have 300 million people like the USA either.

 

[Joe]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

You can't honestly be sitting there trying to tell me that homelessness is a blue issue.

For fuck's sake, woman, wake the fuck up. It's a corporate oligarchy issue, and the oligarchs are red AND blue. They do not care about wedge issues at all. They only see money and power.

You've never been to Portugal, have you? I'd far rather be homeless here. The Portuguese people have much bigger hearts than most Americans. And where do you get the idea that we're the most unequal in terms of wealth? Are you kidding me? No, again, that would be the USA.

There's a lot of homelessness in Canada too.

A country with the 2nd largest land mass in the world (exceeding even the United States) can't find enough housing for a population less than California?!

Plus we have some of the most expensive real estate in the world - even Freezing Shitholes located in Northern Canada.

Same as in California - it's a about money and power as well.Greed.
It would be so easy to clean up the homelessness problem in Vancouver if they tried and put their minds to it.

We just have all these greedy Chinamen hoard all our land and buying off all our politicians.

And the politicians in our city give almost everything to the rich.
Disparities of power and wealth - its practically everywhere these days.
Not just California.

We shouldn't have a homeless problem in Canada, but obviously - we do.

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

You can't honestly be sitting there trying to tell me that homelessness is a blue issue.

Because that's NOT what I'm saying.

I'm saying homeless is worse in blue states. I'm not saying its ONLY in blue states. There are factors at play with democrat policies that drive poverty and high crime.

And you dont support democrats, there must good reasons for that, right? This is where I get confused with you. When I criticize dems you seem to want to defend them.

I'm not saying these things to be mean or be a meany who just hates democrats. I'm saying it because I live in a blue state, I've been poor in a blue state, I've been a drug addict in a blue state. I've done outreach in a blue state. I've seen what they say and what they do are not the same.

If you were to ask poor people in any democrat inner city if they feel their government represents them or has their interests, they would laugh and say the government doesnt gaf. In fact they would say the government makes it worse.

No idea why they vote the same over and over but politicains lie and pander so... the cycle continues. I even used to vote for these people....so getting accused of "partisan hackery" gets frustrating. Because I have reasons why I criticize them, they've earned it, and it really isnt because of some right/left tribal politics. It's because the leadership sucks.

I'd rather be poor in America, because I can leave a state with policies that make it harder to get out of poverty to a state where I have a better chance at doing that. In Portugal, you are just stuck there all poor. That's why my friends family left. Obviously I cant speak from personal experience here.

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

You can't honestly be sitting there trying to tell me that homelessness is a blue issue.

For fuck's sake, woman, wake the fuck up. It's a corporate oligarchy issue, and the oligarchs are red AND blue. They do not care about wedge issues at all. They only see money and power.

You've never been to Portugal, have you? I'd far rather be homeless here. The Portuguese people have much bigger hearts than most Americans. And where do you get the idea that we're the most unequal in terms of wealth? Are you kidding me? No, again, that would be the USA.

There's a lot of homelessness in Canada too.

A country with the 2nd largest land mass in the world (exceeding even the United States) can't find enough housing for a population less than California?!

Plus we have some of the most expensive real estate in the world - even Freezing Shitholes located in Northern Canada.

Same as in California - it's a about money and power as well.Greed.
It would be so easy to clean up the homelessness problem in Vancouver if they tried and put their minds to it.

We just have all these greedy Chinamen hoard all our land and buying off all our politicians.

And the politicians in our city give almost everything to the rich.
Disparities of power and wealth - its practically everywhere these days.
Not just California.

We shouldn't have a homeless problem in Canada, but obviously - we do.

Yep because what they say and what they do are always different.

We cant trust our shitty politicains and leaders to do the right thing with they taxes they already take. Let alone give them more and more reigns of power over what resources we have access to and what decisions we can make.

And even if we could.. ..the next ones could be a different story.

That smooth feel good speech and all that marketing really sucks people in.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

Have you ever been to Los Angeles? There are 100,000 people living in the streets. They are everywhere, and they live like animals. There are another god knows how many living in very substandard housing, I mean like with tons of people sleeping in single rooms, etc. You don't see that in Portugal. Of course there's poverty here, but poor people aren't treated like garbage like they are in the US.

I DID say it depends on the state you live in.

I would not want to be poor or homeless in a democrat state.

I'm fine at my "income level" right now in a more red part of my blue state where its lower costs of living and not anywhere by the Metro area.

Poor people can be treated like garbage anywhere......again Lotus the bluer states are the worst for this AND the most classist.

I'm telling you this as someone who has been a dirt poor drug addict. I know the "underbelly" way more than I know the upper classers that cam afford to live in CA.

The homeless people in LA are from all over the country. They go to LA so they don't freeze to death. YOU compared poverty in Portugal to poverty in the US, as if the US is somehow better. But you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Yeah. From places like Detroit.

Which are all blue.

I'm not kidding. Next time you are in CA talk to some of them.

If I was gonna be a homeless drug addict, I would go to CA. And yes I've thought about this exact thing. It's easy to be a street junkie there.

Southern Florida had pill mills but those days are over and that flakka thing....yikes.

See this is partisan like you think it is. This valid criticism of policies that drive all this.

I would rather be homeless HERE than in Portugal. Homelessness in America is typically due to drug use. So.. if IM gonna be homeless, it's because I'm back on the horse and I'd prefer the streets of America.

Anytime you want help here you can get it. Isnt Portugal still the most unequal in terms of wealth? You are either doing good there or poor as fuck with no way out.....this is how I understand it based on people I know from there and reading about it.

You can't honestly be sitting there trying to tell me that homelessness is a blue issue.

For fuck's sake, woman, wake the fuck up. It's a corporate oligarchy issue, and the oligarchs are red AND blue. They do not care about wedge issues at all. They only see money and power.

You've never been to Portugal, have you? I'd far rather be homeless here. The Portuguese people have much bigger hearts than most Americans. And where do you get the idea that we're the most unequal in terms of wealth? Are you kidding me? No, again, that would be the USA.

There's a lot of homelessness in Canada too.

A country with the 2nd largest land mass in the world (exceeding even the United States) can't find enough housing for a population less than California?!

Plus we have some of the most expensive real estate in the world - even Freezing Shitholes located in Northern Canada.

Same as in California - it's a about money and power as well.Greed.
It would be so easy to clean up the homelessness problem in Vancouver if they tried and put their minds to it.

We just have all these greedy Chinamen hoard all our land and buying off all our politicians.

And the politicians in our city give almost everything to the rich.
Disparities of power and wealth - its practically everywhere these days.
Not just California.

We shouldn't have a homeless problem in Canada, but obviously - we do.

It's really a horrible mess. I believe this greed, and all the economic injustice that is produces, along with climate change (much of it also caused by greed), are going to bring on the full force of the sixth extinction. Yeah, we're just about done.