What is life really like for immigrants? Do you want to emigrate?

[Dove]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

So you left America for Turkey?

Yep...more for personal reasons than anything else. Otherwise i know it doesnt make sense..lol.

It's only weird because you are just so American lol.

They must have been very important personal reasons.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

Having met a large number of people who left the US for Portugal, AND being one myself, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Something you apparently don't understand is wanderlust. Some people have it, others don't.

 

[LotusBud]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

That's terrible. So sorry that happened.

But if you stay there, I really encourage you to network. I met about four people through facebook. Just met for coffee or whatever, because of common interests. Through them, and my Portuguese classes, which I also found through facebook, I met about 30 or 40 other English speakers, and now have a very strong, small network of really standup friends.

The pandemic affected everyone. Here, several people went back to the US, but most stayed. Quite a few moved out of the city and into the nearby countryside. We are about to do the same.

 

[Omnipotent]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

Having met a large number of people who left the US for Portugal, AND being one myself, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Something you apparently don't understand is wanderlust. Some people have it, others don't.

You told me you were a drug addict a couple of weeks back. Portugal allows/helps druggies. I charge you are there in Portugal because of that... MAINLY.

Anyway, do you know this Diva? Listen, she has a message.

 

[deport_liberals]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

So you left America for Turkey?

Yep...more for personal reasons than anything else. Otherwise i know it doesnt make sense..lol.

It's only weird because you are just so American lol.

They must have been very important personal reasons.

I think i got more American living here. .lol.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

Having met a large number of people who left the US for Portugal, AND being one myself, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Something you apparently don't understand is wanderlust. Some people have it, others don't.

You can definately have wanderlust and not wish to move from the country. You can want to visit everywhere.

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

 

[LotusBud]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

So you left America for Turkey?

Yep...more for personal reasons than anything else. Otherwise i know it doesnt make sense..lol.

It's only weird because you are just so American lol.

They must have been very important personal reasons.

I think i got more American living here. .lol.

You mean you got more jingoistic?

 

[Omnipotent]

The official version... a bit better.. a lot better...lol

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

 

[Joe]

Maybe we can have a discussion here about immigration that does NOT focus on anyone's hysteria over illegal immigration (that's a whole other topic that I have plenty to say about, and probably not what you think, but let's NOT talk about that here).

What is it like to emigrate to another country, from anywhere, to anywhere, and what are some of the reasons for doing it? What are the challenges? What are the things you learn? What are some of the good experiences? Coming or going, either one.

And does anyone here want to emigrate, but hasn't done so yet?

This shouldn't be a political issue, but I don't want another thread of mine to be moved, so here it is.

I'd be interested in moving to another country to get a 2nd passport.

I don't want completely leave my country Canada, but it would be nice and perhaps fun to have q 2nd option.

Maybe I'll give the EU a whirl. South America'd be a stretch as well.

It'd be fun to adopt a 2nd culture.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

Having met a large number of people who left the US for Portugal, AND being one myself, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Something you apparently don't understand is wanderlust. Some people have it, others don't.

You told me you were a drug addict a couple of weeks back. Portugal allows/helps druggies. I charge you are there in Portugal because of that... MAINLY.

Anyway, do you know this Diva? Listen, she has a message.

I told you I was a drug addict? OK. Now I know you're nuts. I am not now nor have I ever been a drug addict. I only drink once or twice a week, I don't smoke anything, and the only pills I ever pop are supplements.

 

[Lokmar]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which prevents the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

 

[Joe]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which enables the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

Too many guns 'n gun deaths where you live, eh Lokmeer?!

A bit too violent 'n dangerous for my taste.

Otherwise if it wasn't for that America would be a good option, Lokmeer!

 

[deport_liberals]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

That's terrible. So sorry that happened.

But if you stay there, I really encourage you to network. I met about four people through facebook. Just met for coffee or whatever, because of common interests. Through them, and my Portuguese classes, which I also found through facebook, I met about 30 or 40 other English speakers, and now have a very strong, small network of really standup friends.

The pandemic affected everyone. Here, several people went back to the US, but most stayed. Quite a few moved out of the city and into the nearby countryside. We are about to do the same.

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

So you left America for Turkey?

Yep...more for personal reasons than anything else. Otherwise i know it doesnt make sense..lol.

It's only weird because you are just so American lol.

They must have been very important personal reasons.

I think i got more American living here. .lol.

You mean you got more jingoistic?

No...i really really like fast food and cola and such. All the most stereotypical American stuff I miss...

Politically I haven't changed at all...

 

[Dove]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

 

[Dove]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which enables the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

Too many guns 'n gun deaths where you live, eh Lokmeer?!

A bit too violent 'n dangerous for my taste.

Otherwise if it wasn't for that America would be a good option, Lokmeer!

Only if you plan to move to the hood and join a gang, Joe.

Dont buy the hype lol

 

[Lokmar]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which enables the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

Too many guns 'n gun deaths where you live, eh Lokmeer?!

A bit too violent 'n dangerous for my taste.

Otherwise if it wasn't for that America would be a good option, Lokmeer!

Oh, I totally get that little rabbits like you need to be subjects! Please stay out!

 

[Omnipotent]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which prevents the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

lol, Australia lets off murderers... Puh-leeze. We have to most shit sentencing for crims anywhere in the world.

Speaking of crims, I watched the first USA female serial killer's story Aileen Wuornos, TWICE back to back.

Poor woman... her childhood was sick, sad and thoroughly horrendous.

 

[Omnipotent]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

My best friend is Portuguese... Kurt worked with Portuguese... The ones where I live either come from Madeira or Africa but not mainland Portugal.

My son learned Portuguese in an afternoon.... That is how smart he was.,

 

[Omnipotent]

I told you I was a drug addict? OK. Now I know you're nuts. I am not now nor have I ever been a drug addict. I only drink once or twice a week, I don't smoke anything, and the only pills I ever pop are supplements.

What? So you were lying when you said to me, "what if I told you I was a drug addict? Would you want me dead too?"

 

[LotusBud]

Maybe we can have a discussion here about immigration that does NOT focus on anyone's hysteria over illegal immigration (that's a whole other topic that I have plenty to say about, and probably not what you think, but let's NOT talk about that here).

What is it like to emigrate to another country, from anywhere, to anywhere, and what are some of the reasons for doing it? What are the challenges? What are the things you learn? What are some of the good experiences? Coming or going, either one.

And does anyone here want to emigrate, but hasn't done so yet?

This shouldn't be a political issue, but I don't want another thread of mine to be moved, so here it is.

I'd be interested in moving to another country to get a 2nd passport.

I don't want completely leave my country Canada, but it would be nice and perhaps fun to have q 2nd option.

Maybe I'll give the EU a whirl. South America'd be a stretch as well.

It'd be fun to adopt a 2nd culture.

It is fun. It really makes the world seem smaller and more accessible. It takes awhile to get a passport, though, if you don't have birthrights of some kind. My family have all been in the US for 300-400 years, so I have no claims. (Except my Jewish grandfather. He came way later.)

 

[LotusBud]

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

That's terrible. So sorry that happened.

But if you stay there, I really encourage you to network. I met about four people through facebook. Just met for coffee or whatever, because of common interests. Through them, and my Portuguese classes, which I also found through facebook, I met about 30 or 40 other English speakers, and now have a very strong, small network of really standup friends.

The pandemic affected everyone. Here, several people went back to the US, but most stayed. Quite a few moved out of the city and into the nearby countryside. We are about to do the same.

I suppose i can put it this way. When I came here I knew what I was giving up and I calculated I was gaining more, which was true for a time. But with the pandemic all those gains were lost, more or less overnight.

So you left America for Turkey?

Yep...more for personal reasons than anything else. Otherwise i know it doesnt make sense..lol.

It's only weird because you are just so American lol.

They must have been very important personal reasons.

I think i got more American living here. .lol.

You mean you got more jingoistic?

No...i really really like fast food and cola and such. All the most stereotypical American stuff I miss...

Politically I haven't changed at all...

Oh, haha. I miss my co-op. I don't miss fast food at all. They have coke and McD's, Burger King, KFC, and some other shit here. I've never entered their doors.

I also really miss Mexican food.

 

[Omnipotent]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which enables the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

Too many guns 'n gun deaths where you live, eh Lokmeer?!

A bit too violent 'n dangerous for my taste.

Otherwise if it wasn't for that America would be a good option, Lokmeer!

Yep... I do NOT like the fact the USA has more guns than people.

They should use them more on bad guys though.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

My best friend is Portuguese... Kurt worked with Portuguese... The ones where I live either come from Madeira or Africa but not mainland Portugal.

My son learned Portuguese in an afternoon.... That is how smart he was.,

If he learned Portuguese in an afternoon, his IQ is off the charts. No one can do that. NO ONE. You mean he learned to carry on an elementary conversation in an afternoon, maybe.

 

[Omnipotent]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

It's so much easier to pull out of poverty in America. Shit it's easier being poor in America than most other countries.

I don't think that's true at all anymore.

It definately is.

Probably much easier in some states than others though..... but I'd rather be poor by American standards than poor in Mexico or another country.

How do you know that? Have you ever been to, say, Portugal?

No, I havent. But I have read a lot about poverty in Portugal. One of my long time friends family came here from Portugal due to poverty.

Is it still one of most unequal countries in Europe?

You are doing well in Portugal because you did well in CA.

That's not an insult or an attack.....its just an observation.

My best friend is Portuguese... Kurt worked with Portuguese... The ones where I live either come from Madeira or Africa but not mainland Portugal.

My son learned Portuguese in an afternoon.... That is how smart he was.,

If he learned Portuguese in an afternoon, his IQ is off the charts. No one can do that. NO ONE. You mean he learned to carry on an elementary conversation in an afternoon, maybe.

He was off the charts... He was a Math genius and read all the classics before me even. That is why his death was hard to take. If you wanted a near perfect person, he was it!~

 

[LotusBud]

I believe he was. But even a genius can't learn a language in an afternoon. And I am very sorry that you lost him. That is so heartbreaking.

 

[LotusBud]

I've never had a desire to live in any other country. I have plenty that I would visit. But I've never wanted to move from America.

I dont think I would even in the scenario Caskur gave. Leaving my state for a man was messy and emotionally traumatic enough lol

And that was just a long car ride and few DMV trips lol

I always thought a good length of time to visit a foreign country would be two years.

Only two sorts of people want to leave their countries... very, very poor or the very, very rich... middle classes are quite happy to stay in their own country.

Having met a large number of people who left the US for Portugal, AND being one myself, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Something you apparently don't understand is wanderlust. Some people have it, others don't.

You told me you were a drug addict a couple of weeks back. Portugal allows/helps druggies. I charge you are there in Portugal because of that... MAINLY.

Anyway, do you know this Diva? Listen, she has a message.

I told you I was a drug addict? OK. Now I know you're nuts. I am not now nor have I ever been a drug addict. I only drink once or twice a week, I don't smoke anything, and the only pills I ever pop are supplements.

I told you I was a drug addict? OK. Now I know you're nuts. I am not now nor have I ever been a drug addict. I only drink once or twice a week, I don't smoke anything, and the only pills I ever pop are supplements.

What? So you were lying when you said to me, "what if I told you I was a drug addict? Would you want me dead too?"

OMG. That was a hypothetical. I am not a drug addict, and that up there ^^^^^^ was NOT me telling you I am. LMAO

You know, like "What if I told you I was an alien from Mars." That's a hypothetical.

A hypothetical example is a fictional example that can be used when a speaker is explaining a complicated topic that makes the most sense when it is put into more realistic or relatable terms

 

[Lokmar]

I love America. I'd never move to any other country. They're all inferior. There's not a single country anywhere else that has our Bill of Rights which enables the government to kick down your door and toss you in the clink for any time they deem appropriate. I see the law bust in and arrest people in Australia and England and then their judges impose ridiculous sentences for the most petty things. Speaking out against those governments is a perilous thing to do!

Too many guns 'n gun deaths where you live, eh Lokmeer?!

A bit too violent 'n dangerous for my taste.

Otherwise if it wasn't for that America would be a good option, Lokmeer!

Yep... I do NOT like the fact the USA has more guns than people.

They should use them more on bad guys though.

I'd love to shoot criminals dead!

This is the type of shit I;m referring to:

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