Y'all ready for Civil War 2.0?

[Reggie_Essent]

Aren't the orphans Slopey has chained up in his compound technically slaves?

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Aren't the orphans Slopey has chained up in his compound technically slaves?

And rape victims

 

[Joe]

a Liberal/Leftist Perspective on the First American civil War:




Comentator saw it asa struggle bettwen the working class and an agrgessive 1%er class who controlled Slavery.

Feel free to agree/disagree. Comments?

 

[Joe]

History of Slavery 2.0 according to Thomas Sowell:

 

[LotusBud]

Muh heritage! Now we'll never know who committed treason!

Why is it so important to you and others that statues of robert E.. Lee & get taken down sumbols of the Confederacy are erased from American History?

Because you don't see Statues of Hitler in Poland or Paris either

Different countries. KA-PAWNED!!!

Lee and Jackson were from Virginia, they fought FOR Virginia and all Southern State's rights, they should stay right where they are.

Rather than judge Lee as Good or bad, perhaps a more accurate depiction of him was somebody caught in difficult set of historical circumsmstance.s Initially he was asked by Lincoln to take command of the Union Army. So if he'd done so, today his face might be on the $5 US bil instead of Grant .

Lee was one of those 'damned if he did & damned if he didn't' historical figures.

Anyways, I read somewhere that one of Lee's descendants ended up becming a general in the US Army, the same one Lee Fought against.

Yeah, Lee was originally Union, and Virginia did not want to secede. But when asked to attack his fellow friends and family and friends, plus other states, he said no, and left the Union. As well as Virginia, the birth place of Liberty.

Lee was a Gentleman. Honorable in war as well.

I think the literary term that might apply to Lee which is 'Tragic Herol'.

Desitnted to lose no matter what he does.

I would agree.

The civil war wasnt actually about slavery....but about state rights.

The whole picture of the north vs south on freeing slaves isnt very accurate. It's a very deep topic. But the confederacy wasnt a fight to keep slaves as its painted. It was state rights.

Its a VERY deep topic!

People that simply say "Slavery!" are dumb as a box of rocks.

You have to factor in many many many things. Like it wasnt exactly North vs South, it was the Union against the States of the South. Slavery existed around the world, and in the North during that time. Blacks even owned slaves, some white slaves as well. You cant even really consider slavery in that time period. So then you have to look at what really caused it, why the States started leaving the Union one by one. The whole South did not secede all at once. It was primarily over high taxes, not being heard in Congress, and not wanting to attack fellow brothers and sisters. The South simply wanted to be left alone. Much like today, yet we are STILL under attack.

Yeah. The topics I supposedly duplicated that sent the snowflakes here into tizzies are also deep topics. Just because CONs dpn't give two fucks doesn't mean they know wtf they re talking about.

Your explanation of the many things that have to be factored in -- yeah, the exact same things go for the impacts of slavery and Jim Crow on black people.

Well it wasnt me that complained.

You also have to factor in that much of the Jim Crow bullshit was from the North. The Reconstruction period didnt help either. Yeah, maybe I will make a Southern suffering thread.

Honey, there were no "white only" bathrooms or restaurants and cops literally preventing black people from going to white schools in the north in the early 1960s. That was 100% the South. And no white person in the USA knows what it feels like to live that way. FACT.

Here is but one article, Lil Miss Know Nothing.....

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Also, I guess you dont want to take into account that I was the only white person in an all black school, and received lots of racism against myself, and I was only 6 years old.

Take that into account regarding the history of racism in the South? (I am not suggesting there was and is no racism in the North, and you know that, btw.) I don't know how the fact that you experienced that proves anything other than what your own experience was.

 

[Seamajor]

Aren't the orphans Slopey has chained up in his compound technically slaves?

Ever find health insurance for your ill wife? Living in the north east must suck. Maybe worse than FloriDUH

 

[Seamajor]

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Saw this in the news. I hope these 2 spend many years in jail. Fucking idiotic move.

 

[Dove]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

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Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

a Liberal/Leftist Perspective on the First American civil War:




Comentator saw it asa struggle bettwen the working class and an agrgessive 1%er class who controlled Slavery.

Feel free to agree/disagree. Comments?

Comments?

You're kinda stupid, Joe.

No oth

Aren't the orphans Slopey has chained up in his compound technically slaves?

Ever find health insurance for your ill wife? Living in the north east must suck. Maybe worse than FloriDUH

So, Slopey. How exactly do you account for the profits from selling all the kidnapped orphans to the IRS?

 

[Lokmar]

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Saw this in the news. I hope these 2 spend many years in jail. Fucking idiotic move.

That gives me the sadz.

 

[Joe]

a Liberal/Leftist Perspective on the First American civil War:




Comentator saw it asa struggle bettwen the working class and an agrgessive 1%er class who controlled Slavery.

Feel free to agree/disagree. Comments?

Comments?

You're kinda stupid, Joe.

Not my opinion, Reggie. It's just that of some Leftist Academic/Professor which was worthy of discussion.

Actually, I thought his historical version of the US Civil War was a bit too 'cute' or simplistic to be believable.

Like he has this neat theory about it being a struggle between the working class and the ruling slave owning elites.

However, the Northern States were backed by wealthy Industrialists who of course funded and armed Lincoln's War machine.

They weren't socialists/communists who brought down the South.

Also another reason these Northern elites wanted to Bring the Plantation class down is they stood in the way and were also competitors for the lands/territorites which the slave and non slaves wanted as well.

So viewed within that context, the Civil war was probably more akin to a War between 2 Elites - the Northern Industrialists and the Southern plantation class. So of course the end result was that the latter was smashed/destroyed.

A better parallel would probably be the First World War, where the Allied powers were competing against the Central Powers which of course led to the destruction of the latter. And they were backed by various Elites as well fighting each other, competing for turf and colonial power.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!

That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.

Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.

Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.

Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.

 

[Blazor]

I say!!!!!! ARE Y'ALL FUCKING READY!!!!!

 

[Blazor]

 

[Seamajor]

a Liberal/Leftist Perspective on the First American civil War:




Comentator saw it asa struggle bettwen the working class and an agrgessive 1%er class who controlled Slavery.

Feel free to agree/disagree. Comments?

Comments?

You're kinda stupid, Joe.

No oth

Aren't the orphans Slopey has chained up in his compound technically slaves?

Ever find health insurance for your ill wife? Living in the north east must suck. Maybe worse than FloriDUH

So, Slopey. How exactly do you account for the profits from selling all the kidnapped orphans to the IRS?

Idiotic post. Where’s your proof loser. Did the wife leave yet? Her only chance

 

[Seamajor]

I say!!!!!! ARE Y'ALL FUCKING READY!!!!!

Oh yeah. That will get it done.

 

[Blazor]

I say!!!!!! ARE Y'ALL FUCKING READY!!!!!

Oh yeah. That will get it done.

We know what will lol!!

 

[Seamajor]

Where is your army getting together? Let me guess. @ the Moonshine capital of the universe?

 

[Blazor]

Where is your army getting together? Let me guess. @ the Moonshine capital of the universe?

No wonder you fled the country, you knew what was about to happen. You're psychic man!!!

 

[Seamajor]

Where is your army getting together? Let me guess. @ the Moonshine capital of the universe?

No wonder you fled the country, you knew what was about to happen. You're psychic man!!!

I just spent 4 months in NorCal. Got back last Monday. Needed to check on my rental properties. Accuracy isn’t your strong point.

 

[Seamajor]

Where is your army getting together? Let me guess. @ the Moonshine capital of the universe?

No wonder you fled the country, you knew what was about to happen. You're psychic man!!!

Psychic enough to know, you’re wasting your time. January 6th is long gone amigo

 

[Joe]

....Still another Confederate statue is toppled:

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[Blazor]

 

[Blazor]

 

[Blazor]

 

[Dove]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!

That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.

Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.

Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.

Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.

Joe its NOT supposed to reflect the popular vote. That's the point. We want EVERYONES voice heard.

The popular vote is just the tyranny of the majority. We are a country whose values are rooted in individual liberties and rights. We are not a collective.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!

That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.

Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.

Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.

Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.

Joe its NOT supposed to reflect the popular vote. That's the point. We want EVERYONES voice heard.

The popular vote is just the tyranny of the majority. We are a country whose values are rooted in individual liberties and rights. We are not a collective.

But the people living in states such as yours could demand that the Electoral votes be split up according to % of votes received.

It's absurd that Republicans who received 49% of the vote in Michigan last time didn't get any EV's and were shut out of the tally.

Actually I saw this video on YouTube from what appears to be a pro-Democrat & even he indicated that if the EV's were split in each state according to that formula, the last election would have been a lot closer & Trump would have received 30 more electoral votes.

 

[Lokmar]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!

That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.

Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.

Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.

Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.

Joe its NOT supposed to reflect the popular vote. That's the point. We want EVERYONES voice heard.

The popular vote is just the tyranny of the majority. We are a country whose values are rooted in individual liberties and rights. We are not a collective.

But the people living in states such as yours could demand that the Electoral votes be split up according to % of votes received.

It's absurd that Republicans who received 49% of the vote in Michigan last time didn't get any EV's and were shut out of the tally.

Actually I saw this video on YouTube from what appears to be a pro-Democrat & even he indicated that if the EV's were split in each state according to that formula, the last election would have been a lot closer & Trump would have received 30 more electoral votes.

Wouldnt have mattered tho because the democRATs cheated.

 

[Dove]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

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Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.

Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.

No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.

No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.

Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!

That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.

Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.

Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.

Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.

Joe its NOT supposed to reflect the popular vote. That's the point. We want EVERYONES voice heard.

The popular vote is just the tyranny of the majority. We are a country whose values are rooted in individual liberties and rights. We are not a collective.

But the people living in states such as yours could demand that the Electoral votes be split up according to % of votes received.

It's absurd that Republicans who received 49% of the vote in Michigan last time didn't get any EV's and were shut out of the tally.

Actually I saw this video on YouTube from what appears to be a pro-Democrat & even he indicated that if the EV's were split in each state according to that formula, the last election would have been a lot closer & Trump would have received 30 more electoral votes.

That I can agree with somewhat. We need to do some work statewise......MI is like 90 percent rural conservative and Detroit and Flint basically decide everything it seems.

There was illegal bullshit done here last election. And nothing will happen about it.

No one wanted Whitmer. John James had so much energy behind him.....so something is rotten here.

 

[Seamajor]

I fully realized this after fatso was elected thanks to the Electoral College. Fucking crook.