Y'all ready for Civil War 2.0?

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

 

[Joe]

You know Blazor acriticism I have of you, is that you are dismissive about the hardships which many slaves ent through.

Rather than glorifying the Old South, I think you should try to look at the situation more objectively.

Yes, the plight of the Slave was shitty. Otherwise, why did so many try to flee to Northern States and even Canada?

It wasn't a good life.

However, a criticism I've got of Woke activists is they impose 21st century social and political values on a 19th century historical context.

Yes, the plight of slaves in the antebellum South was bad, but was it much better for the poor White? I mean, 19th century life was harsh. Even for the so-called 'Free Whites' who had it bad too. That your ancestors must have been largely destitute. Probably sharecroppers who didn't own a slave, let alone a piece of land? That was probably the existence of the average Southern White back then. Just working for the wealthy slaveowners/plantation class who were that society's. '1%ers'.. The life of the average White in the North probably wasn't that great either. People in the United States didn't begin to acheive the relative prosperity we enjoy today until after World War II.

And European powers like England and France who sided with the North over slavery concerns, had severe human rights abuses in their own backyard such as Africa and Asia, where they had vast colonial empires. Here they condemned the South for its Slave society and yet it was rampant in their own colonies. So they transferred their guilt on the South. There was also a great deal of racism in Britain's own colonies during the 19th century like Canada. Whilte they didn't have slavery, many minorities were denied the right to vote.

Yeah, life in the antebellum South probably wasn't that great for Slave and poor White alike. But it probably wasn't much worse than most places on the plaent in the 19th century. In fact they may have been much better off than most people around the world back then.

Yes, poor whites didn't get whipped, limbs amputated, lynched, or raped. Their loved ones weren't sold off. They had freedom to move about.

What idiocy.

Yes - think i mentioned that, when I pointed out that many Slaves fled the South for Northern States and Canada.

But I'm just pointing out, that life for poor Whites was the shits too.

Life for people living back then was generally dismal.

No social welfare, no public schools, 12 the life expectancy we have today.

Do you think that the lives of poor whites was that great back then, Lily?

I didn't say they were great. They weren't. But black lives were a lot worse by a huge margin - it was horrific. And most everyone's life was worse then, of any class.

Stop denying how horrible slavery really was for most blacks. Find a picture of a poor white that looked like that, okay?

While I certainly don't deny that these atrocities were commonplace in the antebellum south, believe it or not, among Slave States of that era, the South was not the worst. They may have been even worse in Brazil, which did not officially abolis slaver until 1980.

But perhaps the worst of all, was King Leopold of the Belgian Congo, whom historians attribute at least 6 millions deaths. More than died in the Jwish Holocaust:




If the South had been as cruel as the Belgians, they wouldn't have had any slaves left!

So, while this does not absolve the antebellum South of any atrocities, one major flaw of today's woke culture or historical revisionisits, is they fail to conextualize the times in which these Slaves lived.

Life was much harder everywhere for the average person, free or not.

And if you were one of the privileged Whites who lived a first world life in what was then the most prosperous nation, Victoria England, this is the what life in store for you:

 

[Lily]

You know Blazor acriticism I have of you, is that you are dismissive about the hardships which many slaves ent through.

Rather than glorifying the Old South, I think you should try to look at the situation more objectively.

Yes, the plight of the Slave was shitty. Otherwise, why did so many try to flee to Northern States and even Canada?

It wasn't a good life.

However, a criticism I've got of Woke activists is they impose 21st century social and political values on a 19th century historical context.

Yes, the plight of slaves in the antebellum South was bad, but was it much better for the poor White? I mean, 19th century life was harsh. Even for the so-called 'Free Whites' who had it bad too. That your ancestors must have been largely destitute. Probably sharecroppers who didn't own a slave, let alone a piece of land? That was probably the existence of the average Southern White back then. Just working for the wealthy slaveowners/plantation class who were that society's. '1%ers'.. The life of the average White in the North probably wasn't that great either. People in the United States didn't begin to acheive the relative prosperity we enjoy today until after World War II.

And European powers like England and France who sided with the North over slavery concerns, had severe human rights abuses in their own backyard such as Africa and Asia, where they had vast colonial empires. Here they condemned the South for its Slave society and yet it was rampant in their own colonies. So they transferred their guilt on the South. There was also a great deal of racism in Britain's own colonies during the 19th century like Canada. Whilte they didn't have slavery, many minorities were denied the right to vote.

Yeah, life in the antebellum South probably wasn't that great for Slave and poor White alike. But it probably wasn't much worse than most places on the plaent in the 19th century. In fact they may have been much better off than most people around the world back then.

Yes, poor whites didn't get whipped, limbs amputated, lynched, or raped. Their loved ones weren't sold off. They had freedom to move about.

What idiocy.

Yes - think i mentioned that, when I pointed out that many Slaves fled the South for Northern States and Canada.

But I'm just pointing out, that life for poor Whites was the shits too.

Life for people living back then was generally dismal.

No social welfare, no public schools, 12 the life expectancy we have today.

Do you think that the lives of poor whites was that great back then, Lily?

I didn't say they were great. They weren't. But black lives were a lot worse by a huge margin - it was horrific. And most everyone's life was worse then, of any class.

Stop denying how horrible slavery really was for most blacks. Find a picture of a poor white that looked like that, okay?

While I certainly don't deny that these atrocities were commonplace in the antebellum south, believe it or not, among Slave States of that era, the South was not the worst. They may have been even worse in Brazil, which did not officially abolis slaver until 1980.

But perhaps the worst of all, was King Leopold of the Belgian Congo, whom historians attribute at least 6 millions deaths too. More than died in the Jwish Holocaust:




If the South had been as cruel as the Belgians, there wouldn't have been any slaves left!

So, while this does not absolve the antebellum South of any atrocities, one major flaw of today's work culture or revisionisits, is they fail to conextualize the times in which these Slaves lived.

Life was much harder everywhere for the average person, free or not.

And if you were onf the privileged Whites who lived a first world life in what was then the most prosperous nation, Victoria England, this is the what life in store for you:

Yes, the Portuguese were bigger bastards than the English when it came to slavery. They had more slaves and working them to death was commonplace. However, you and I live in North America and this is about a bunch of thugs calling for violence.

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

 

[Lily]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

 

[Lily]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

But this country was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

Times were different back then, there was no income tax or internet or anything. People were less informed.

I agree that if you work, and contribute to your community, you should have a voice. But people who simply want to vote so they "get stuff", should not be voting.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

Here's a perspective on Slavery from a Black Conservative who considers himself 'Libertarian', Thomas Sowell:




I can't vouch for the accuracy of his account, nor do I necesasrily agree with it.

But it is interesting.

 

[Lokmar]

Bet your ass that if I ran America, only land owning males would be able to vote! And if ANY of them were felons, they wouldnt be voting either! On top of it, even if you were a male Jew, you'd have to profess Jesus as Lord and Savior, Son of the Only Living God before you would be allowed to vote...and if you voted to repeal ANY of this, you'd be executed! Oh, all faggits would be dead too.

 

[LotusBud]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

 

[LotusBud]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

But this country was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

Times were different back then, there was no income tax or internet or anything. People were less informed.

I agree that if you work, and contribute to your community, you should have a voice. But people who simply want to vote so they "get stuff", should not be voting.

Who votes just to "get stuff"? Damn, you have been fucking brainwashed.

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Actually, one of the last vestiges of slavery is the criminal system. Its even in the Constitution, in the 13th amendment, that slavery is illegal, except when a crime is committed. Good to see them lil nikkers working the fields still lol.

 

[Blazor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

But this country was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

Times were different back then, there was no income tax or internet or anything. People were less informed.

I agree that if you work, and contribute to your community, you should have a voice. But people who simply want to vote so they "get stuff", should not be voting.

Who votes just to "get stuff"? Damn, you have been fucking brainwashed.

Nikkas do! And white trash!

Pot meet kettle!

 

[Joe]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

It's not my country, but if the USA wants to devise a fairer electoral system, they should just ditch this winner take all nonsense and split up the EV's according a share of popular vote in each state. I think Nebraska and New Hampshire already have such an arrangement.

so, the losing party would get something in each state. No more of this Democrats taking all the EV's in California or Republicans taking everything in Texas.

 

[Dove]

The people calling for civil war talking about others looking inward and being better.

Fucking priceless.

Well yeah.

It's the left enabling violent riots destroying communities. Attacking people in public. Harassing peoples jobs to get them fired. Pushing a hateful ideology now in public schools, and working to actually criminalize dissent against THEIR party. Eventually there is going to be serious blow back and real resistance.

Its perfectly reasonable to HOPE...no matter how futile....for unreasonable and irrationally angry and hateful people to look inward BEFORE Americans have to fight hard to hold onto our civil liberties, individual rights and values and the country.

Marxist revolutions tend to bring out the worst of every country they happen in.

If only we addressed systemic racism, most of the conflict would go away. But no, you want to fuck people in the ass and they're supposed to like it. And then when they push back, you want to kill them.

You're a neofascist.

The issues you call systemic are all in democrat strongholds. Whether you like that or not

You need to look at your own elected officials, not blame those of us actively voting AGAINST that.

WHO put jim crow joe.....who opposed schools being "racist jungles" in office?

Stop supporting the party of racist hate. You'll be surprised how things start to work out.

Your sides idiotic voting habits are fucking everyone in the ass.... and you attack them when they dont like it. Project much?

Joe Biden says dumb ass things sometimes. I read the background on this. He was talking about mandatory bussing in which there would be conflict in tension among different races when it's forced. He's not the most articulate man that's ever been in the White House, granted.

However that doesn't make him a racist. It makes him inarticulate when expressing his thoughts sometimes.

You want to use Oprah to disprove systemic racism, but won't consider Kamala Harris a pick that disproves the charge that he's a racist.

SMH

Go back and find how many times he said nigger, or his son even, who did it recently. KA-PAWNED!

Hey, Kamala's family owned over 100 slaves. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Systemic racism hahahaha, dumbass.

You don't understand systemic racism, duly noted. This isn't about any one individual. I don't care how racist that one individual is. It's about a system. Maybe you should look that word up.

As for Kamala, did she own slaves?

And you dont and wont understand how your voting choices are hurting everyone.

Biden and Harris are getting rid of School Choice. And they'll probably be pounding CRT into these children minds so they can spit out illiterate and angry people into poor communities while unions and politicians keep stealing money from the people. You guys dont give the slightest SHIT about black people except how you use them to feel SMUG and good about YOURSELF and how they can serve YOUR party.

Thanks!

Since you guys think black people are too dumb and poor to get ID are any of you guys gonna go to inner cities and offer to help them get ID? Or you just gonna screech about how Republicans are "jim crow"(even though dems were the party of jim crow)?

Yeah we know about slavery. We want to solve TODAYS problems. Maybe if you guys a shit about slavery TODAY.....like trafficking.....you would have something.

You keep pointing at slavery but who freed slaves again? Republicans. Who passed Civil Rights? Republicans. Who fought jim crow laws? Republicans.

All your Democrats have done is have people taxed to death, created the welfare state that destroyed the black family, actively work against black children getting an education....oh and allowing men into womens sports and spaces.

You know none of us take your partisan exploitation of slavery that OUR party abolished years ago seriously?

Because we have a HUGE human trafficking problem RIGHT NOW. And not a single fucking ONE of you give a flying SHIT about it. You guys rant about dred scott slavery that was ABOLISHED over a century ago......trying to revise history to blame the REAL hero party for the problems YOUR party caused while millions.....I mean millions...of human beings are being sold as slaves TODAY and you guys treat it like a nothingburger. .....like a SIDE ISSUE people should read about. But eh.

Infants are fucked too death and tossed in water. Little girls as young as fucking TWO are being raped too death for money. And what do YOU fake ass human rights bullshitters do? Oh you fight against border control. Real fucking smart. You fight against police funding and attack anti trafficking measures with your mindless bleeding heart BULLSHIT.

I just cant. Fuck off with that picture of slavery that would still be legal if not for Republicans. Everytime I see it I'm MORE thankful for the Republican party. You should be forced to see the under belly of human trafficking. My FRIEND was trafficked. Raped 75 times in one fucking DAY. And Harris wants to make prostitution legal and so do you fuckers you vote for that. Every woman we cant rescue is on YOU. My friend killed herself btw.

Cry your crocodile tears pretending you care about oppression while voting to keep black children illiterate and the traffick market running smooth.

Its sick. All you guys give a shit about is making your miserable selves feel better than other people.

 

[Dove]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

 

[Seamajor]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

 

[Seamajor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

 

[Dove]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

 

[Blazor]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

You dont like standing together Sea?

 

[Biggie Smiles]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

You dont like standing together Sea?

only when there are small children involved

 

[Blazor]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

You dont like standing together Sea?

only when there are small children involved

Well then, "count me out" lol.

 

[Seamajor]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

You dont like standing together Sea?

only when there are small children involved

Well then, "count me out" lol.

Were you thinking of using Children this time around? If you’re not vaccinated stay away from kids. The right thing to do.

 

[Seamajor]

This is why THEY want us to believe racism exists, and that there are white supremacists everywhere. THEY are afraid of us uniting, like we did during Civil War 1.0.

Count me out. You fuckers lost the first one. Fatso got voted out. What’s left? The idea is rather funny.

You dont like standing together Sea?

only when there are small children involved

Do you mean your size?

 

[Seamajor]

What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.

Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.

Slaves were in the North and South.

Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.

Im here all day.

I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.

If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.

I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example

And these housed many poor Whites.

These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.

Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.

Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.

...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?

Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?

Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.

After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.

It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?

This is an argument I've heard advanced.

That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.

That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.

YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.

A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?

Here is the best comparison.

Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.

When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?

The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?

No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.

Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.