What is happening to men in the Western world?

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

 

[Dove]

The demoralizing of society happened.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Liberals happened

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do? And you didn't have an answer to what I saw in that thread - the child support whining by some conservatives & moderates.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

 

[Dove]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

It's part of the cultural marxist wave and critical theory..... it's an ideology that's been seeping in for a while now.

It's been a steady demoralization of society over decades. The sexual revolution was a big culprit.

Breaking down of the family unit is a great way to expand the state.

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

It's part of the cultural marxist wave and critical theory..... it's an ideology that's been seeping in for a while now.

It's been a steady demoralization of society over decades. The sexual revolution was a big culprit.

Breaking down of the family unit is a great way to expand the state.

Oh for goodness sake. That's ridiculous.

How does that pertain to conservative men, mostly, whining about being victims?

 

[Dove]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

It's part of the cultural marxist wave and critical theory..... it's an ideology that's been seeping in for a while now.

It's been a steady demoralization of society over decades. The sexual revolution was a big culprit.

Breaking down of the family unit is a great way to expand the state.

Oh for goodness sake. That's ridiculous.

How does that pertain to conservative men, mostly, whining about being victims?

Joe isnt conservative.....and it's not a conservative male thing. There are definately left wingers that bitch about supporting their kids. In fact most bro choicers have no problem influencing and pressuring women to abort so they wont have to pay child support. Ask Men had an article on it. Be weary of men who call themselves "feminists".

Also I said it was demoralization of society. Cultural marxism.

On this board the libertarian and conservative men all have gladly supported their children and still do. Lokmar and Big raised theirs without the help of the mother.....and the others I believe are still married and supporting their families. Joe leans more democrat, and I dont believe he has children.....so he doesnt really get it.

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

It's part of the cultural marxist wave and critical theory..... it's an ideology that's been seeping in for a while now.

It's been a steady demoralization of society over decades. The sexual revolution was a big culprit.

Breaking down of the family unit is a great way to expand the state.

Oh for goodness sake. That's ridiculous.

How does that pertain to conservative men, mostly, whining about being victims?

Joe isnt conservative.....and it's not a conservative male thing. There are definately left wingers that bitch about supporting their kids. In fact most bro choicers have no problem influencing and pressuring women to abort so they wont have to pay child support. Ask Men had an article on it. Be weary of men who call themselves "feminists".

Also I said it was demoralization of society. Cultural marxism.

On this board the libertarian and conservative men all have gladly supported their children and still do. Lokmar and Big raised theirs without the help of the mother.....and the others I believe are still married and supporting their families.

I see Joe as a moderate.

Can you please cite data that shows why "liberal" men support abortion? And the one man that posted in complaint about child support is one of the most conservative on this forum, Oerdin. He got a like for his whines from another poster that I have seen post anti liberal posts in the past.

What do you mean about "cultural marxism" and the role it plays in men seeing themselves as victims? They think that women took all their jobs, they think they shouldn't have to pay child support, they whine about being persecuted. Those are not liberals, toots.

 

[Oerdin]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Dear liar. Quote anyone saying what you claim. You can't because no one did.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Liberals are on record claiming they seek to disrupt the nuclear family and remove men from the home.

All liberals? If no, which liberals and do they have any say in what families do?

Blm and their sea of supporters

If true, and I don't know that it's true, that would be a small minority of Americans.

It's part of the cultural marxist wave and critical theory..... it's an ideology that's been seeping in for a while now.

It's been a steady demoralization of society over decades. The sexual revolution was a big culprit.

Breaking down of the family unit is a great way to expand the state.

Oh for goodness sake. That's ridiculous.

How does that pertain to conservative men, mostly, whining about being victims?

Joe isnt conservative.....and it's not a conservative male thing. There are definately left wingers that bitch about supporting their kids. In fact most bro choicers have no problem influencing and pressuring women to abort so they wont have to pay child support. Ask Men had an article on it. Be weary of men who call themselves "feminists".

Also I said it was demoralization of society. Cultural marxism.

On this board the libertarian and conservative men all have gladly supported their children and still do. Lokmar and Big raised theirs without the help of the mother.....and the others I believe are still married and supporting their families.

I see Joe as a moderate.

Can you please cite data that shows why "liberal" men support abortion? And the one man that posted in complaint about child support is one of the most conservative on this forum, Oerdin. He got a like for his whines from another poster that I have seen post anti liberal posts in the past.

What do you mean about "cultural marxism" and the role it plays in men seeing themselves as victims? They think that women took all their jobs, they think they shouldn't have to pay child support, they whine about being persecuted. Those are not liberals, toots.

Quote it, liar.

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Dear liar. Quote anyone saying what you claim. You can't because no one did.

You whined about the poor broke ass men that can't afford to pay child support. You know you did. Instead of saying he needs to do whatever possible to support the offspring he brought into this world. You're not a man. You're a weasel.

 

[Oerdin]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Dear liar. Quote anyone saying what you claim. You can't because no one did.

You whined about the poor broke ass men that can't afford to pay child support. You know you did. Instead of saying he needs to do whatever possible to support the offspring he brought into this world. You're not a man. You're a weasel.

Hell, I don't have biological children but fully support two step children. I support them well and I hope you are able to do as well for your children as I do with my step children. Given your proclivities towards lying and poor reading comprehension though I have grave doubts about your abilities on that front.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I personally knew a guy making 90K a year sleeping in a church basement after spousal support and child support got done with him.

that has to change. No one is saying the kids should not be taken care of but when you have a situation where there is zero quality of life for the father for the next 18+ years then there's something very broken

 

[Oerdin]

I personally knew a guy making 90K a year sleeping in a church basement after spousal support and child support got done with him.

that has to change. No one is saying the kids should not be taken care of but when you have a situation where there is zero quality of life for the father for the next 18+ years then there's something very broken

Exactly. Everyone, literally everyone, agreed that children should be supported. We discussed policy changes which would make it more likely for men to be able to actually do that. Like being able to provide basic needs for themselves so that they can maintain stable emoyment and build theor careers in order to increase their earnings thus becoming better providers.

Yet the liar claimed that some how meant men shouldn't help support their children. Talk about a true liar. All because she is too lazy and too stupid to read so she thought she would just lie about other people and make up false claims about them. What a piece of garbage.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I personally knew a guy making 90K a year sleeping in a church basement after spousal support and child support got done with him.

that has to change. No one is saying the kids should not be taken care of but when you have a situation where there is zero quality of life for the father for the next 18+ years then there's something very broken

Exactly. Everyone, literally everyone, agreed that children should be supported. We discussed policy changes which would make it more likely for men to be able to actually do that. Like being able to provide basic needs for themselves so that they can maintain stable emoyment and build theor careers in order to increase their earnings thus becoming better providers.

Yet the liar claimed that some how meant men shouldn't help support their children. Talk about a true liar. All because she is too lazy and too stupid to read so she thought she would just lie about other people and make up false claims about them. What a piece of garbage.

actions like that are pretty much programmed into a leftists DNA. I don't think they can even help themselves from doing it at this point

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

That's his story. You don't know her story at all, nor do we. And he still has to support his children regardless of who else is in his life. And how does a mother separate how she supports her children and how much money to goes to whom? Unless her two children with your buddy sleep outside and aren't fed, I imagine the money she gets from him provides a home for her kids too. We don't know what we aren't aware of, he's telling his side of the story.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

That's his story. You don't know her story at all, nor do we. And he still has to support his children regardless of who else is in his life. And how does a mother separate how she supports her children and how much money to goes to whom? Unless her two children with your buddy sleep outside and aren't fed, I imagine the money she gets from him provides a home for her kids too. We don't know what we aren't aware of, he's telling his side of the story.

don't act like spending thousands on butt lifts, tit jobs and other cosmetic surgeries aren't a thing.

THAT's how we know the money being provided isn't going to the kids... unless of course, they're eating the fat cells injected into her ass

 

[Lily]

Do you believe

Liberals happened

Some of the men that whined the most about child support were moderate or conservative men. That's why I started this thread, because of the men posting as if they're victims.

Dear liar. Quote anyone saying what you claim. You can't because no one did.

You whined about the poor broke ass men that can't afford to pay child support. You know you did. Instead of saying he needs to do whatever possible to support the offspring he brought into this world. You're not a man. You're a weasel.

Hell, I don't have biological children but fully support two step children. I support them well and I hope you are able to do as well for your children as I do with my step children. Given your proclivities towards lying and poor reading comprehension though I have grave doubts about your abilities on that front.

Don't make assumptions about how I interact with those in my life. I haven't made any about yours. I've just said you're whining feeling sorry for men that may not deserve any sympathy.

 

[Lily]

I personally knew a guy making 90K a year sleeping in a church basement after spousal support and child support got done with him.

that has to change. No one is saying the kids should not be taken care of but when you have a situation where there is zero quality of life for the father for the next 18+ years then there's something very broken

Exactly. Everyone, literally everyone, agreed that children should be supported. We discussed policy changes which would make it more likely for men to be able to actually do that. Like being able to provide basic needs for themselves so that they can maintain stable emoyment and build theor careers in order to increase their earnings thus becoming better providers.

Yet the liar claimed that some how meant men shouldn't help support their children. Talk about a true liar. All because she is too lazy and too stupid to read so she thought she would just lie about other people and make up false claims about them. What a piece of garbage.

Men, like women, should do everything to support their children. Everything. No excuses. There are generations of mothers that have struggled with no support to raise their children. Stop making excuses.

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

That's his story. You don't know her story at all, nor do we. And he still has to support his children regardless of who else is in his life. And how does a mother separate how she supports her children and how much money to goes to whom? Unless her two children with your buddy sleep outside and aren't fed, I imagine the money she gets from him provides a home for her kids too. We don't know what we aren't aware of, he's telling his side of the story.

don't act like spending thousands on butt lifts, tit jobs and other cosmetic surgeries aren't a thing.

THAT's how we know the money being provided isn't going to the kids... unless of course, they're eating the fat cells injected into her ass

Considering the average amount of child support is $430 a month in the US, that isn't paying for any cosmetic surgeries. And even if a woman is getting a lot of child support, are the children living like shit, eating next to nothing and running around naked? If yes, why aren't these fathers reporting these terrible conditions to the authorities?

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Considering the average amount of child support is $430 a month in the US, that isn't paying for any cosmetic surgeries. And even if a woman is getting a lot of child support, are the children living like shit, eating next to nothing and running around naked? If yes, why aren't these fathers reporting these terrible conditions to the authorities?

You're kidding right? CPS is a clusterfuck of failure and incompetence.

 

[Lily]

Considering the average amount of child support is $430 a month in the US, that isn't paying for any cosmetic surgeries. And even if a woman is getting a lot of child support, are the children living like shit, eating next to nothing and running around naked? If yes, why aren't these fathers reporting these terrible conditions to the authorities?

You're kidding right? CPS is a clusterfuck of failure and incompetence.

There are the courts and if a man can provide documentation, the children can be taken away by a judge.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Considering the average amount of child support is $430 a month in the US, that isn't paying for any cosmetic surgeries. And even if a woman is getting a lot of child support, are the children living like shit, eating next to nothing and running around naked? If yes, why aren't these fathers reporting these terrible conditions to the authorities?

You're kidding right? CPS is a clusterfuck of failure and incompetence.

There are the courts and if a man can provide documentation, the children can be taken away by a judge.

ROTFLMAO.

on what planet?

listen dear, you're speaking to a single father who raised his kids since birth. If anyone here knows the ins and outs of that clusterfuck of failure it's me.