You lose one, you win one

[Lokmar]

Imagine actually trusting or supporting the FBI. It's been compromised and thoroughly corrupt for decades.

See how she just totally ignores the fact that the charges against Kyle were the corrupt and political bullshit and so were all the establishment lies?

Fuck the regular people.

And can you imagine that some people didn't even want or thought Rittenhouse shouldn't stand trial after he gunned down and killed 2 people?

Guilty or not there still has to be a semblance of due process.

I am most concerned about the precedent set by this trial. Bad news for everyone.

Allowing unlicensed untrained 16 year olds to carry a military grade weapon around - yes that poses a threat to the public.

And yes that precedent does erode democracy because if every dispute is settled out of the barrel of a gun society eventually become dysfunctional.

He looked trained to me. Hit his targets pretty well and didnt hurt anyone who wasnt attacking him.

And your feelings are not laws and you cant enforce your feelings.....sorry.

You arent the fucking judge of democracy, Joe. Maybe figure out what it is. You are playing dictator and calling it democracy.

Dovey - any nation that settles disputes with guns and violence eventually become dysfunctional, whether they are ruled by hardliners on the Left or the Right.

And people and public places become inaccessible as well too.

Stupid dickhead, the LEFT has been solving their disputes with violence and robbery for years.

 

[Dove]

Imagine actually trusting or supporting the FBI. It's been compromised and thoroughly corrupt for decades.

See how she just totally ignores the fact that the charges against Kyle were the corrupt and political bullshit and so were all the establishment lies?

Fuck the regular people.

And can you imagine that some people didn't even want or thought Rittenhouse shouldn't stand trial after he gunned down and killed 2 people?

Guilty or not there still has to be a semblance of due process.

I am most concerned about the precedent set by this trial. Bad news for everyone.

Allowing unlicensed untrained 16 year olds to carry a military grade weapon around - yes that poses a threat to the public.

And yes that precedent does erode democracy because if every dispute is settled out of the barrel of a gun society eventually become dysfunctional.

He looked trained to me. Hit his targets pretty well and didnt hurt anyone who wasnt attacking him.

And your feelings are not laws and you cant enforce your feelings.....sorry.

You arent the fucking judge of democracy, Joe. Maybe figure out what it is. You are playing dictator and calling it democracy.

Dovey - any nation that settles disputes with guns and violence eventually become dysfunctional, whether they are ruled by hardliners on the Left or the Right.

And people and public places become inaccessible as well too.

Stupid dickhead, the LEFT has been solving their disputes with violence and robbery for years.

And now they want to use violence to solve their disputes with other regular people. And Joe thinks that the left should be safe while they murder people. To save democracy.

 

[Joe]

And now they want to use violence to solve their disputes with other regular people. And Joe thinks that the left should be safe while they murder people. To save democracy.

No.

I just think it's extremely unsafe to give 16 year old children semiautomatic quasi military weapons to gun down people in public.

There has to be a better solution than that.

What would you suggest as an alternative Dovey?

 

[Joe]

Imagine actually trusting or supporting the FBI. It's been compromised and thoroughly corrupt for decades.

See how she just totally ignores the fact that the charges against Kyle were the corrupt and political bullshit and so were all the establishment lies?

Fuck the regular people.

And can you imagine that some people didn't even want or thought Rittenhouse shouldn't stand trial after he gunned down and killed 2 people?

Guilty or not there still has to be a semblance of due process.

I am most concerned about the precedent set by this trial. Bad news for everyone.

Allowing unlicensed untrained 16 year olds to carry a military grade weapon around - yes that poses a threat to the public.

And yes that precedent does erode democracy because if every dispute is settled out of the barrel of a gun society eventually become dysfunctional.

He looked trained to me. Hit his targets pretty well and didnt hurt anyone who wasnt attacking him.

And your feelings are not laws and you cant enforce your feelings.....sorry.

You arent the fucking judge of democracy, Joe. Maybe figure out what it is. You are playing dictator and calling it democracy.

Hey Dovey, I think what you fail to understand, and I repeat myself, I was not on the side of Kyle Rittenhouse or his attackers. As far as the incident that night, I'm not really sure who was guilty or innocent. I've watched the video and quite honestly I can't make up my mind. Therefore, I've chosen not to endorse either one.

It's the gun ruling by Judge Bruce Schroeder that I find most alarming and why I've pointed out that lax gun laws and poor decisions will lead to an erosion of democracy in your country.

You see, this it works - and I'll cite a real life incident which occured when you were just an infant.

The day that John Lennon was killed in New York City. He was walking along withi his wife Yoko, minding his own biz, when some guy shot him to death.




The result was the loss of perhaps one of the greatest musical geniuses and influential figures of our Western culture in the history of Civilization. Killing Lennon was like murdering Leonardo da Vinci or Albert Einstein. It left a gaping hole. I know you weren't old enough remember it, but many of us do. And it's almost as if this cultural revolution that he spawned as a member of the Beatles died that instant. The wonderful 60s was over and the mean and lean 80s which you are a product of was ushered in. I remember that transition too. It was very harsh.

And what happened is afterward, many musicians sorta went underground and didn't make themselves public anymore. They hired bodyguards, they became less accessible to the public lest they wind up dead like John Lennon.

Actually I drove someone in Vancouver, an American musician who worked for one of the leadings stars in the industry, and he told me the guy has huge levels of security. There's people with guns to guard him. No one can walk into his dressing room as there are 2 or doors to pass before anyone can meet 'the Star'. There's no hippy dippy time anymore when you could meet the greatest cultural icon on the street anymore.

And this goes for other celebrities too. That incident changed our cultural fabric forever. And for the worse. Made people feel less safe, less open. So as a result we lost access to many of them. Whatever your race, gender or political persuasion, your favorite stars are no longer accessible. Likewise if you're an Evangelical Christian, your favorite preacher is now surrounded by a bevy of bodyguards, whereas 40 years ago, you would have been able to go up on the stage and shake hands with Billy Graham. But of course, those days are long gone now. Thanks in large part to gun violence.

that is an example of how a society made unsafe with guns,becomes less open and democratic. And if American streets are full of angry gun toting men with AR 15s, democracy begins to shut down. Nobody trusts anyone anymore. And then or course surveillance becomes the norm, governments spy on us whatever. You and everyone else become less free. Get to the point where a person starts to fear going to Las Vegas (where the worse mass shooting took place) or a concert.

so...it's something for you to think about.

I've been around a bit longer than you have, but I sure remember how much more open and safe our societies including yours used to be.

 

[Dove]

And now they want to use violence to solve their disputes with other regular people. And Joe thinks that the left should be safe while they murder people. To save democracy.

No.

I just think it's extremely unsafe to give 16 year old children semiautomatic quasi military weapons to gun down people in public.

There has to be a better solution than that.

What would you suggest as an alternative Dovey?

Yes. Literally mobs of leftists are bringing violence to innocent people.

That is exactly what the riots are. THATS unsafe.

A 16 year old can drive a car, they can shoot a gun Joe. Many 16 year olds are trained. Clearly Kyle was very trained and he handled his fire arm better than Gross handled his illegal one.

Again if you dont like regular law abiding people being outside armed.....address the reason WHY.

Do you think people should just run off and let their community be destroyed and along with it peoples entire livelihoods? When attacked we cant protect ourselves?

 

[Dove]

Imagine actually trusting or supporting the FBI. It's been compromised and thoroughly corrupt for decades.

See how she just totally ignores the fact that the charges against Kyle were the corrupt and political bullshit and so were all the establishment lies?

Fuck the regular people.

And can you imagine that some people didn't even want or thought Rittenhouse shouldn't stand trial after he gunned down and killed 2 people?

Guilty or not there still has to be a semblance of due process.

I am most concerned about the precedent set by this trial. Bad news for everyone.

Allowing unlicensed untrained 16 year olds to carry a military grade weapon around - yes that poses a threat to the public.

And yes that precedent does erode democracy because if every dispute is settled out of the barrel of a gun society eventually become dysfunctional.

He looked trained to me. Hit his targets pretty well and didnt hurt anyone who wasnt attacking him.

And your feelings are not laws and you cant enforce your feelings.....sorry.

You arent the fucking judge of democracy, Joe. Maybe figure out what it is. You are playing dictator and calling it democracy.

Hey Dovey, I think what you fail to understand, and I repeat myself, I was not on the side of Kyle Rittenhouse or his attackers. As far as the incident that night, I'm not really sure who was guilty or innocent. I've watched the video and quite honestly I can't make up my mind. Therefore, I've chosen not to endorse either one.

It's the gun ruling by Judge Bruce Schroeder that I find most alarming and why I've pointed out that lax gun laws and poor decisions will lead to an erosion of democracy in your country.

You see, this it works - and I'll cite a real life incident which occured when you were just an infant.

The day that John Lennon was killed in New York City. He was walking along withi his wife Yoko, minding his own biz, when some guy shot him to death.




The result was the loss of perhaps one of the greatest musical geniuses and influential figures of our Western culture in the history of Civilization. Killing Lennon was like murdering Leonardo da Vinci or Albert Einstein. It left a gaping hole. I know you weren't old enough remember it, but many of us do. And it's almost as if this cultural revolution that he spawned as a member of the Beatles died that instant. The wonderful 60s was over and the mean and lean 80s which you are a product of was ushered in. I remember that transition too. It was very harsh.

And what happened is afterward, many musicians sorta went underground and didn't make themselves public anymore. They hired bodyguards, they became less accessible to the public lest they wind up dead like John Lennon.

Actually I drove someone in Vancouver, an American musician who worked for one of the leadings stars in the industry, and he told me the guy has huge levels of security. There's people with guns to guard him. No one can walk into his dressing room as there are 2 or doors to pass before anyone can meet 'the Star'. There's no hippy dippy time anymore when you could meet the greatest cultural icon on the street anymore.

And this goes for other celebrities too. That incident changed our cultural fabric. Made people feel less safe, less open. So as a result we lost access to many of them. Whatever your race, gender or political persuasion, your favorite stars are no longer accessible. Likewise if you're an Evangelical Christian, your favorite preacher is not surrounded by a bevy of bodyguards, whereas 40 years ago, you would have been able to go up on the stage and shake hands with Billy Graham. But of course, those days are long gone now. Thanks in large part to gun violence.

that is an example of how a society made unsafe with guns,becomes less open and democratic. And if American streets are full of angry gun toting men with AR 15s, democracy begins to shut down. Nobody trusts anyone anymore. And then or course surveillance becomes the norm, governments spy on us whatever. You and everyone else become less free. Get to the point where a person starts to fear going to Las Vegas (where the worse mass shooting took place) or a concert.

so...it's something for you to think about.

I've been around a bit longer than you have, but I sure remember how much more open and safe our societies including yours used to be.

Joe if you can watch video footage from Kenosha and wonder who the bad guys are.....I dont know what to say.

Because I've always understood that the ones burning down the town, attacking and beating innocent people are usually the bad guys.

What is confusing there Joe?

 

[Joe]

And now they want to use violence to solve their disputes with other regular people. And Joe thinks that the left should be safe while they murder people. To save democracy.

No.

I just think it's extremely unsafe to give 16 year old children semiautomatic quasi military weapons to gun down people in public.

There has to be a better solution than that.

What would you suggest as an alternative Dovey?

Yes. Literally mobs of leftists are bringing violence to innocent people.

That is exactly what the riots are. THATS unsafe.

A 16 year old can drive a car, they can shoot a gun Joe. Many 16 year olds are trained. Clearly Kyle was very trained and he handled his fire arm better than Gross handled his illegal one.

Again if you dont like regular law abiding people being outside armed.....address the reason WHY.

Do you think people should just run off and let their community be destroyed and along with it peoples entire livelihoods? When attacked we cant protect ourselves?

But I think you fail to see that it's not just a Leftist problem or issue.

Guns have infiltrated both sides of the political spectrum and made your society much less safe.

If one side is to blame, the other side is too.

 

[Dove]

And now they want to use violence to solve their disputes with other regular people. And Joe thinks that the left should be safe while they murder people. To save democracy.

No.

I just think it's extremely unsafe to give 16 year old children semiautomatic quasi military weapons to gun down people in public.

There has to be a better solution than that.

What would you suggest as an alternative Dovey?

Yes. Literally mobs of leftists are bringing violence to innocent people.

That is exactly what the riots are. THATS unsafe.

A 16 year old can drive a car, they can shoot a gun Joe. Many 16 year olds are trained. Clearly Kyle was very trained and he handled his fire arm better than Gross handled his illegal one.

Again if you dont like regular law abiding people being outside armed.....address the reason WHY.

Do you think people should just run off and let their community be destroyed and along with it peoples entire livelihoods? When attacked we cant protect ourselves?

But I think you fail to see that it's not just a Leftist problem or issue.

Guns have infiltrated both sides of the political spectrum and made your society much less safe.

If one side is to blame, the other side is too.

No. No it is not the guns, Joe.

All the violence and destruction in Kenosha was done with fire and physical violence.

And if you really believe this.....you should look at the gun violence stats and where they are and what gun control measures are in place.

It shows how places with heavy gun control have MORE gun violence. Because criminals know regular people are likely not armed. So there is no deterrent.

It's not "both sides" either, Joe. If it were.....wouldnt America have seen these problems sooner? So far it looks like leftwing wome ideology and a hostile lying media incite a bunch of violence and now the same people who ignore THAT are arguing against our rights to defend ourselves against the violence they incite.

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?



Too bad this man didnt have a gun Joe. These are human beings with rights and dignity.

 

[Joe]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

 

[Dove]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

I'm not lumping you in with anyone. I'm asking you based on your posts on the topic.

Because you are more focused on Kyle, just an innocent member of the community who....along with other members of the community went out to defend it from rioters because the authorities didnt do their job. They failed to protect Kenosha. So the people excersize their RIGHTS to go out and defend it.

That's honorable Joe. It's what caring people do. The community was being attacked and the government sanctioned it. Then the state that sanctioned the violence charged the kid when he was forced to defend himself because of their FAILURE. Then he was morphed into a symbol of "teh right" for a partisan narrative. The entire shit is evil.....and THAT is the real threat to our democracy Joe.

I just dont get how you cant see that?

Kyle wasnt a militant. He was just a community member. The only armed militants that were there were the rioters. Did you see that Gross was in some "peoples revolution" marxist gang of militants. Militants already HAVE guns.

So it's very important that regular people have their RIGHTS preserved so if militants lay siege on their communities and the state allows it they can defend themselves.

I can tell you from experience. RIGHT wing militants are not a threat to regular people. Sure we have seen right wing extremism(Like Timothy Mcvay) .....but left wing extremism is insane and government supported and has harmed, murdered and destroyed the entire lives of innocent people.

It's not regular people causing violence, Joe. Its being inflicted on regular people. And forced on them in schools.

It's not a great time to argue against constitutional rights of the people as the country gets more and more dangerous. Disarming law abiding citizens so its easier for militants to victimize or kill them would just enable more violence where the laws and our rights to defend ourselves will make militant fuckers think twice.

You really need to try harder to remove politics from this. Then you'll see it clearly that mobs of people attacked a town in an act of domestic terrorism and the people HAD to go out to try to protect it because the State didnt protect them.

 

[The Prowler]

@Joe

You really trigger this guy. lol

You can always tell how "triggered" I am by how badly I pummel my opponent.

When I murder them, like I did to Joe, I must have been sooooo triggered!!!

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[Joe]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

I'm not lumping you in with anyone. I'm asking you based on your posts on the topic.

Because you are more focused on Kyle, just an innocent member of the community who....along with other members of the community went out to defend it from rioters because the authorities didnt do their job. They failed to protect Kenosha. So the people excersize their RIGHTS to go out and defend it.

That's honorable Joe. It's what caring people do. The community was being attacked and the government sanctioned it. Then the state that sanctioned the violence charged the kid when he was forced to defend himself because of their FAILURE. Then he was morphed into a symbol of "teh right" for a partisan narrative. The entire shit is evil.....and THAT is the real threat to our democracy Joe.

I just dont get how you cant see that?

Kyle wasnt a militant. He was just a community member. The only armed militants that were there were the rioters. Did you see that Gross was in some "peoples revolution" marxist gang of militants. Militants already HAVE guns.

So it's very important that regular people have their RIGHTS preserved so if militants lay siege on their communities and the state allows it they can defend themselves.

I can tell you from experience. RIGHT wing militants are not a threat to regular people. Sure we have seen right wing extremism(Like Timothy Mcvay) .....but left wing extremism is insane and government supported and has harmed, murdered and destroyed the entire lives of innocent people.

It's not regular people causing violence, Joe. Its being inflicted on regular people. And forced on them in schools.

It's not a great time to argue against constitutional rights of the people as the country gets more and more dangerous. Disarming law abiding citizens so its easier for militants to victimize or kill them would just enable more violence where the laws and our rights to defend ourselves will make militant fuckers think twice.

You really need to try harder to remove politics from this. Then you'll see it clearly that mobs of people attacked a town in an act of domestic terrorism and the people HAD to go out to try to protect it because the State didnt protect them.

Yeah, but if you read my prior posts, I factored in the fault of the protesters as I did in my previous posts, plus the failure of the Wisconsin governor to take appropriate action when it was needed.

so as I indicated before the liabiltities/fault lines have to be weight and balanced.

I kinda thought choosing between Kyle and the protesters was like having to make a choice between Hitler and Stalin.

Which one did I prefer? Like many people...None of the Above.

So for the umpteenth time....I have/had no preference for either.

I didn't like Kyle or his attackers.

and I was perhaps one of the few on the board to have stated so and have tried repeatedly to see it as a criminal as opposed to a political trial.

 

[Dove]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

I'm not lumping you in with anyone. I'm asking you based on your posts on the topic.

Because you are more focused on Kyle, just an innocent member of the community who....along with other members of the community went out to defend it from rioters because the authorities didnt do their job. They failed to protect Kenosha. So the people excersize their RIGHTS to go out and defend it.

That's honorable Joe. It's what caring people do. The community was being attacked and the government sanctioned it. Then the state that sanctioned the violence charged the kid when he was forced to defend himself because of their FAILURE. Then he was morphed into a symbol of "teh right" for a partisan narrative. The entire shit is evil.....and THAT is the real threat to our democracy Joe.

I just dont get how you cant see that?

Kyle wasnt a militant. He was just a community member. The only armed militants that were there were the rioters. Did you see that Gross was in some "peoples revolution" marxist gang of militants. Militants already HAVE guns.

So it's very important that regular people have their RIGHTS preserved so if militants lay siege on their communities and the state allows it they can defend themselves.

I can tell you from experience. RIGHT wing militants are not a threat to regular people. Sure we have seen right wing extremism(Like Timothy Mcvay) .....but left wing extremism is insane and government supported and has harmed, murdered and destroyed the entire lives of innocent people.

It's not regular people causing violence, Joe. Its being inflicted on regular people. And forced on them in schools.

It's not a great time to argue against constitutional rights of the people as the country gets more and more dangerous. Disarming law abiding citizens so its easier for militants to victimize or kill them would just enable more violence where the laws and our rights to defend ourselves will make militant fuckers think twice.

You really need to try harder to remove politics from this. Then you'll see it clearly that mobs of people attacked a town in an act of domestic terrorism and the people HAD to go out to try to protect it because the State didnt protect them.

Yeah, but if you read my prior posts, I factored in the fault of the protesters as I did in my previous posts, plus the failure of the Wisconsin governor to take appropriate action when it was needed.

so as I indicated before the liabiltities/fault lines have to be weight and balanced.

I kinda thought choosing between Kyle and the protesters was like having to make a choice between Hitler and Stalin.

Which one did I prefer? Like many people...None of the Above.

So for the umpteenth time....I have/had no preference for either.

I didn't like Kyle or his attackers.

and I was perhaps one of the few on the board to have stated so and have tried repeatedly to see it as a criminal as opposed to a political trial.

Joe you keep calling them protesters. Those were not protesters, Joe. These were rioters. Protesters left before the curfew. The rioters stayed to burn down the town and destroy peoples lives and beat and attack innocent people.

Here is the definition of terrorism

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

That is what they were engaging in. And it was state sanctioned. Now think about that.

You know no media went nuts when rioters killed and assaulted innocent people trying to protect their businesses.

Its absolutely a right of the people to defend their communities and lives when they are being attacked and the authorities are not doing anything. And isnt it common sense? That if you go attack peoples property and attack them...odds are good theyll defend themselves? Because to me, that's common sense.

Why would you dislike Kyle? The kid did nothing wrong and he was brave enough to get out there and help defend the community he cares about. We NEED more people like this.

This was a political case from the beginning. It NEVER should have been a trial. This was crystal clear obvious self defense, there were no laws Kyle broke. But yet....the state that sanctioned the violence and handed the citizens over to violent militants.....brought charges on KYLE. Absurd charges. For political reasons.

And he was ruthlessly smeared, defamed and lied about for a YEAR. And because of this people have turned him into "teh right!"(even though this kid was never political....never even voted yet ffs) and now everyone in the country knows his name and was told he was a militias member white supremacist who is part of the Proud Boys. Kyle is not associated with any militia or group.

They tried to destroy this kids entire life. Have you thought about how traumatic this entire experience was for this kid? For the community? These are human beings Joe. Regular people like us, who were unfortunate enough to have militants descend on their community.

I'm saying you need to separate the politics because political bias is why you are compelled to say you don't like either. You are seeing politics, putting both "sides" on the same level because you see left vs right and you are trying politically neutral. That doesnt work in this case. You dont have left vs right. You have leftwing militants who attacked an innocent community. The community are victims of a political attack....they are just the other side like "the right". Kyle even supported BLM, peaceful assembly and gave medical aid to rioters.

Your premise is faulty.

The charges were politically motivated and should not have happened. They LIED about Kyke to push a partisan narrative.

 

[Joe]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

I'm not lumping you in with anyone. I'm asking you based on your posts on the topic.

Because you are more focused on Kyle, just an innocent member of the community who....along with other members of the community went out to defend it from rioters because the authorities didnt do their job. They failed to protect Kenosha. So the people excersize their RIGHTS to go out and defend it.

That's honorable Joe. It's what caring people do. The community was being attacked and the government sanctioned it. Then the state that sanctioned the violence charged the kid when he was forced to defend himself because of their FAILURE. Then he was morphed into a symbol of "teh right" for a partisan narrative. The entire shit is evil.....and THAT is the real threat to our democracy Joe.

I just dont get how you cant see that?

Kyle wasnt a militant. He was just a community member. The only armed militants that were there were the rioters. Did you see that Gross was in some "peoples revolution" marxist gang of militants. Militants already HAVE guns.

So it's very important that regular people have their RIGHTS preserved so if militants lay siege on their communities and the state allows it they can defend themselves.

I can tell you from experience. RIGHT wing militants are not a threat to regular people. Sure we have seen right wing extremism(Like Timothy Mcvay) .....but left wing extremism is insane and government supported and has harmed, murdered and destroyed the entire lives of innocent people.

It's not regular people causing violence, Joe. Its being inflicted on regular people. And forced on them in schools.

It's not a great time to argue against constitutional rights of the people as the country gets more and more dangerous. Disarming law abiding citizens so its easier for militants to victimize or kill them would just enable more violence where the laws and our rights to defend ourselves will make militant fuckers think twice.

You really need to try harder to remove politics from this. Then you'll see it clearly that mobs of people attacked a town in an act of domestic terrorism and the people HAD to go out to try to protect it because the State didnt protect them.

Yeah, but if you read my prior posts, I factored in the fault of the protesters as I did in my previous posts, plus the failure of the Wisconsin governor to take appropriate action when it was needed.

so as I indicated before the liabiltities/fault lines have to be weight and balanced.

I kinda thought choosing between Kyle and the protesters was like having to make a choice between Hitler and Stalin.

Which one did I prefer? Like many people...None of the Above.

So for the umpteenth time....I have/had no preference for either.

I didn't like Kyle or his attackers.

and I was perhaps one of the few on the board to have stated so and have tried repeatedly to see it as a criminal as opposed to a political trial.

Joe you keep calling them protesters. Those were not protesters, Joe. These were rioters. Protesters left before the curfew. The rioters stayed to burn down the town and destroy peoples lives and beat and attack innocent people.

Here is the definition of terrorism

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

That is what they were engaging in. And it was state sanctioned. Now think about that.

You know no media went nuts when rioters killed and assaulted innocent people trying to protect their businesses.

Its absolutely a right of the people to defend their communities and lives when they are being attacked and the authorities are not doing anything. And isnt it common sense? That if you go attack peoples property and attack them...odds are good theyll defend themselves? Because to me, that's common sense.

Why would you dislike Kyle? The kid did nothing wrong and he was brave enough to get out there and help defend the community he cares about. We NEED more people like this.

This was a political case from the beginning. It NEVER should have been a trial. This was crystal clear obvious self defense, there were no laws Kyle broke. But yet....the state that sanctioned the violence and handed the citizens over to violent militants.....brought charges on KYLE. Absurd charges. For political reasons.

And he was ruthlessly smeared, defamed and lied about for a YEAR. And because of this people have turned him into "teh right!"(even though this kid was never political....never even voted yet ffs) and now everyone in the country knows his name and was told he was a militias member white supremacist who is part of the Proud Boys. Kyle is not associated with any militia or group.

They tried to destroy this kids entire life. Have you thought about how traumatic this entire experience was for this kid? For the community? These are human beings Joe. Regular people like us, who were unfortunate enough to have militants descend on their community.

I'm saying you need to separate the politics because political bias is why you are compelled to say you don't like either. You are seeing politics, putting both "sides" on the same level because you see left vs right and you are trying politically neutral. That doesnt work in this case. You dont have left vs right. You have leftwing militants who attacked an innocent community. The community are victims of a political attack....they are just the other side like "the right". Kyle even supported BLM, peaceful assembly and gave medical aid to rioters.

Your premise is faulty.

The charges were politically motivated and should not have happened. They LIED about Kyke to push a partisan narrative.

But whatever your pov or mine, it matters little.

The plaintiffs and th accused were both entitled to a trial.

 

[Dove]

Would you agree no one would have died had those people not invaded Kenosha to destroy it and attack innocent people?

...again...you're lumping me in with the ANTIFA or the Loony Left.

I'm not aligned with them.

And I'm not sympathetic to people who go into other peoples towns and start looting and burning them.

I imagine if Rosenbaum had done this to some Mississippi town, he'd have been shot dead by the Ozarks and Rednecks within seconds, not days.

And in some other parts of the US, they are far less forgiving and militant than Kenosha.

that being said, I think there are better ways to protect a community than to arm to the teeth or provide 16 year old kids with no formal training or licensing AR15s.

I'm really surprised that your President, the wisconsin governor, and other governors Senators haven't yet called for a national inquiry into this incident and how it can be prevented in the future. They would in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or some other stable peaceful democracy if this happened.

And if you think the Kenosha incident is the end of it, then think again.

Since more of these weapons will flood the streets and the militants on either side will be more trigger happy than ever, the result will be bloody.

2020 was just the beginning.

I'm not lumping you in with anyone. I'm asking you based on your posts on the topic.

Because you are more focused on Kyle, just an innocent member of the community who....along with other members of the community went out to defend it from rioters because the authorities didnt do their job. They failed to protect Kenosha. So the people excersize their RIGHTS to go out and defend it.

That's honorable Joe. It's what caring people do. The community was being attacked and the government sanctioned it. Then the state that sanctioned the violence charged the kid when he was forced to defend himself because of their FAILURE. Then he was morphed into a symbol of "teh right" for a partisan narrative. The entire shit is evil.....and THAT is the real threat to our democracy Joe.

I just dont get how you cant see that?

Kyle wasnt a militant. He was just a community member. The only armed militants that were there were the rioters. Did you see that Gross was in some "peoples revolution" marxist gang of militants. Militants already HAVE guns.

So it's very important that regular people have their RIGHTS preserved so if militants lay siege on their communities and the state allows it they can defend themselves.

I can tell you from experience. RIGHT wing militants are not a threat to regular people. Sure we have seen right wing extremism(Like Timothy Mcvay) .....but left wing extremism is insane and government supported and has harmed, murdered and destroyed the entire lives of innocent people.

It's not regular people causing violence, Joe. Its being inflicted on regular people. And forced on them in schools.

It's not a great time to argue against constitutional rights of the people as the country gets more and more dangerous. Disarming law abiding citizens so its easier for militants to victimize or kill them would just enable more violence where the laws and our rights to defend ourselves will make militant fuckers think twice.

You really need to try harder to remove politics from this. Then you'll see it clearly that mobs of people attacked a town in an act of domestic terrorism and the people HAD to go out to try to protect it because the State didnt protect them.

Yeah, but if you read my prior posts, I factored in the fault of the protesters as I did in my previous posts, plus the failure of the Wisconsin governor to take appropriate action when it was needed.

so as I indicated before the liabiltities/fault lines have to be weight and balanced.

I kinda thought choosing between Kyle and the protesters was like having to make a choice between Hitler and Stalin.

Which one did I prefer? Like many people...None of the Above.

So for the umpteenth time....I have/had no preference for either.

I didn't like Kyle or his attackers.

and I was perhaps one of the few on the board to have stated so and have tried repeatedly to see it as a criminal as opposed to a political trial.

Joe you keep calling them protesters. Those were not protesters, Joe. These were rioters. Protesters left before the curfew. The rioters stayed to burn down the town and destroy peoples lives and beat and attack innocent people.

Here is the definition of terrorism

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

That is what they were engaging in. And it was state sanctioned. Now think about that.

You know no media went nuts when rioters killed and assaulted innocent people trying to protect their businesses.

Its absolutely a right of the people to defend their communities and lives when they are being attacked and the authorities are not doing anything. And isnt it common sense? That if you go attack peoples property and attack them...odds are good theyll defend themselves? Because to me, that's common sense.

Why would you dislike Kyle? The kid did nothing wrong and he was brave enough to get out there and help defend the community he cares about. We NEED more people like this.

This was a political case from the beginning. It NEVER should have been a trial. This was crystal clear obvious self defense, there were no laws Kyle broke. But yet....the state that sanctioned the violence and handed the citizens over to violent militants.....brought charges on KYLE. Absurd charges. For political reasons.

And he was ruthlessly smeared, defamed and lied about for a YEAR. And because of this people have turned him into "teh right!"(even though this kid was never political....never even voted yet ffs) and now everyone in the country knows his name and was told he was a militias member white supremacist who is part of the Proud Boys. Kyle is not associated with any militia or group.

They tried to destroy this kids entire life. Have you thought about how traumatic this entire experience was for this kid? For the community? These are human beings Joe. Regular people like us, who were unfortunate enough to have militants descend on their community.

I'm saying you need to separate the politics because political bias is why you are compelled to say you don't like either. You are seeing politics, putting both "sides" on the same level because you see left vs right and you are trying politically neutral. That doesnt work in this case. You dont have left vs right. You have leftwing militants who attacked an innocent community. The community are victims of a political attack....they are just the other side like "the right". Kyle even supported BLM, peaceful assembly and gave medical aid to rioters.

Your premise is faulty.

The charges were politically motivated and should not have happened. They LIED about Kyke to push a partisan narrative.

But whatever your pov or mine, it matters little.

The plaintiffs and th accused were both entitled to a trial.

No, they were not. And I went into why.

Trials are not something to satisfy others. It's for defendants day in court. The prosecution gives their evidence against the accused, the accused gives their defense, and a jury of peers decides according to the laws and instructions.

And a defendant has the right to a trial when they have pled not guilty to a charge. If they pled guilty there is no trial. They just get sentenced.

The charges brought on Kyle were absurd, Joe. And motivated by politcs. It was a clear and obvious self defense case. A trial was a waste of money and time. We dont charge innocent people.

Did you watch the trial and how jacked up the prosecution was? The whole thing was on video.....how was state going to prove he didnt defend himself? They knew they had no case.

 

[Lokmar]

I shit on John Lennon.

 

[Adam Hitler]

Agreed, fuck that flower power hippie Communist.

 

[Dove]

John Lennon was also an abuser and just an over all piece of shit.

I think narcissistic people are attracted to the left because it's all about manipulation and shaming and degrading others. Word games and gaslighting. Believing you are smarter and superior. Sanctimony. It's natural for them.

 

[The Prowler]

I think narcissistic people are attracted to the left because it's all about manipulation and shaming and degrading others. Word games and gaslighting. Believing you are smarter and superior. Sanctimony. It's natural for them.

Interesting how one small change and this would fit me to a Tee!!

 

[Lily]

@Joe

You really trigger this guy. lol

You can always tell how "triggered" I am by how badly I pummel my opponent.

When I murder them, like I did to Joe, I must have been sooooo triggered!!!

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

I'm so very happy that you have a place that you can come to post on so that you feel this important. You know, "murdering" posters.

How fun.

 

[Joe]

John Lennon was also an abuser and just an over all piece of shit.

I think narcissistic people are attracted to the left because it's all about manipulation and shaming and degrading others. Word games and gaslighting. Believing you are smarter and superior. Sanctimony. It's natural for them.

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

As far as yer concerned everything left is bad and evil everything right is good.

Just forget if the person affected is John Lennon & his hippy leftist followers.

What if its Joel Osteen & evangelical Christians?

Ie since the world has become a much more dangerous and militant place now, you can no longer easily approach him in person now shake his hand now because his handlers fear that some crazy person will gun him down and kill him.

This would contrast with someone like Evangalist Billy Graham 40 years ago where you could go up to him shake his hand give him a high whatever. But people can't do that sort of thing so easily anymore because the world has become a more dangerous place.

No one trusts anyone anymore and civility is gone

That's along the lines I'm referring to.

The world becomes much less safe with AR15's flooding the streets and as a result the society becomes dysfunctional. People and places become inaccessible and we gradually start to lose our freedoms and liberties.

Can't go to Las Vegas anymore cuz some crazy guy is gonna pull out AR15 and gun down 50 people. Can't go to a shopping mall for fear of getting gunned down in a mass shooting. Etc

 

[Lily]

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

No.

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

 

[Joe]

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

Actually Lily I think Dove is sincere in her convictions and her beliefs.

But she seems entirely unaware that the laws which protect left wing people from violence and murder also protect those on the Right. Likewise if a fire breaks out in a building, a fire extinguisher is there to protect the inhabitants regardless of age, political stripe, gender or race.

That's why protective measures exist - to protect everyone.

A bullet doesn't care who it kills anymore than a fire cares about who it burned to death.

 

[Lily]

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

No.

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

Actually Lily I think Dove is sincere in her convictions and her beliefs.

But she seems entirely unaware that the laws which protect left wing people from violence and murder also protect those on the Right. Likewise if a fire breaks out in a building, a fire extinguisher is there to protect the inhabitants regardless of age gender or race.

That's why protective measures exist - to protect everyone.

A bullet doesn't care who it kills anymore than a fire cares about who it burned to death.

I disagree. "Sincerity" is her act. Sincere people don't call lefties "hypocrites" and "haters" about race, gender, sexuality, policies, etc and then turn around a post about Admin. "sucking cock".

It doesn't work that way, one is a troll and one is who she is. I suggest the "Admin sucks cock" is the real Dove.

Figure it out yourself.

CaDaNcE OwNeD dEstroid

Admin wants his rectum invaded by cock Fact I don't have any skin in this weekend diversion but it looks like you fell on yer face in the other thread and got your teeth kicked in in this one. Just commenting on the passing parade, meat head.

bastardfactory.net

 

[Joe]

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

No.

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

Actually Lily I think Dove is sincere in her convictions and her beliefs.

But she seems entirely unaware that the laws which protect left wing people from violence and murder also protect those on the Right. Likewise if a fire breaks out in a building, a fire extinguisher is there to protect the inhabitants regardless of age gender or race.

That's why protective measures exist - to protect everyone.

A bullet doesn't care who it kills anymore than a fire cares about who it burned to death.

I disagree. "Sincerity" is her act. Sincere people don't call lefties "hypocrites" and "haters" about race, gender, sexuality, policies, etc and then turn around a post about Admin. "sucking cock".

It doesn't work that way, one is a troll and one is who she is. I suggest the "Admin sucks cock" is the real Dove.

Figure it out yourself.

Sincere or not, I just point out the flaws of politicizing everything to fit one narrative instead of detaching themselves from it and being impartial about it.

Making up ones own personal reality because they don't like the existing one.

That seems to be the underlying philosophy of unbridled Libertarianism.

 

[Lily]

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

No.

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

Actually Lily I think Dove is sincere in her convictions and her beliefs.

But she seems entirely unaware that the laws which protect left wing people from violence and murder also protect those on the Right. Likewise if a fire breaks out in a building, a fire extinguisher is there to protect the inhabitants regardless of age gender or race.

That's why protective measures exist - to protect everyone.

A bullet doesn't care who it kills anymore than a fire cares about who it burned to death.

I disagree. "Sincerity" is her act. Sincere people don't call lefties "hypocrites" and "haters" about race, gender, sexuality, policies, etc and then turn around a post about Admin. "sucking cock".

It doesn't work that way, one is a troll and one is who she is. I suggest the "Admin sucks cock" is the real Dove.

Figure it out yourself.

Sincere or not, I just point out the flaws of politicizing everything to fit one narrative instead of detaching themselves from it and being impartial about it.

Making up ones own personal reality because they don't like existing one.

That seems to be the underlying philosophy of unbridled Libertarianism.

That is the essence of the extremes on the right and on the left. They are, for all intents and purposes, the same people.

 

[Dove]

John Lennon was also an abuser and just an over all piece of shit.

I think narcissistic people are attracted to the left because it's all about manipulation and shaming and degrading others. Word games and gaslighting. Believing you are smarter and superior. Sanctimony. It's natural for them.

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

Usually when I'm addressing someone who did nothing BUT spew their partisan politics and made their whole platform about it, I tend to form an opinion on that.

Noticing a pattern with famous commie libs is normal when they base themselves on it.

You are only saying this because I pointed out your heavy bias with Rittenhouse. So you are looking for ways to dismiss me as bias.

Of course anyone who criticizes the left is bias and "rabid right wing".

I'm pretty sure Osteen leans more left. Not sure on that. All I know is he pushed the prosperity gospel and is rightly regarded as a heretic along with most mainstream mega church evangelicals.

Not sure what his politics are. If he wants to stay in business marketing false Christianity.....I would think he is smart enough to NOT vote for bigot authoritarians who hate Christians.....even fake ones.

I COULD be wrong.

I'm sure due to your bias and view of the right wing, you naturally assume all these televangelists are conservatives. Because all "religious" people are cons......amirite?

 

[Dove]

...are you never able to dissociatE your political biases from any situation, Dovey?

Seems you are incapable of it.

No.

However, if you could understand that this is all performance art for her audience, you would stop debating her. There is no interest on her part to participate in actual debate.

Actually Lily I think Dove is sincere in her convictions and her beliefs.

But she seems entirely unaware that the laws which protect left wing people from violence and murder also protect those on the Right. Likewise if a fire breaks out in a building, a fire extinguisher is there to protect the inhabitants regardless of age gender or race.

That's why protective measures exist - to protect everyone.

A bullet doesn't care who it kills anymore than a fire cares about who it burned to death.

I disagree. "Sincerity" is her act. Sincere people don't call lefties "hypocrites" and "haters" about race, gender, sexuality, policies, etc and then turn around a post about Admin. "sucking cock".

It doesn't work that way, one is a troll and one is who she is. I suggest the "Admin sucks cock" is the real Dove.

Figure it out yourself.

Sincere or not, I just point out the flaws of politicizing everything to fit one narrative instead of detaching themselves from it and being impartial about it.

Making up ones own personal reality because they don't like existing one.

That seems to be the underlying philosophy of unbridled Libertarianism.

Joe.....John Lennin politisized himself. He regarded himself an activist.

THAT makes him fair game.

 

[The Prowler]

Can't go to Las Vegas anymore cuz some crazy guy is gonna pull out AR15 and gun down 50 people. Can't go to a shopping mall for fear of getting gunned down in a mass shooting. Etc

You have a greater chance of stabbing your brain with an ice pick through your ear than you do being gunned down in a mall, Joe.

 

[Lokmar]

Can't go to Las Vegas anymore cuz some crazy guy is gonna pull out AR15 and gun down 50 people. Can't go to a shopping mall for fear of getting gunned down in a mass shooting. Etc

Grab your skirt and roll on the ground, ya faggit