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Matt Smith

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Yup, sadly. Posting was getting so low, and this month Jag was suppose to renew, but I guess not, cause its gone. Been 13 years man, since CJ closed!!!! I just wish he had said something, like "sup fools, Im closing shop" lol. Wished I had saved some of the chops Ranger did. He did me as Harry Pothead once lol. @Ice , Lioness and @Scooter were members there too.
Try and get Jag over here. Maybe we can round up some more of the CJ crew.

Sadly, I think the majority told me months ago, that if Jag's goes down, they are done with forums. I tried telling them of this place and a couple others.

The Days of CJ are long gone. As long as we remember all the sick fucks it will live on through us.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had nice proportions a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe it after seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tiresome to do the same drawing over again tho.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe iafter seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tieresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

I think you did a great analyzation in trying to create a reversal frontal.

I do real good with pencil. I took art for several years.
 

Joe

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe iafter seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tieresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

I think you did a great analyzation in trying to create a reversal frontal.

I do real good with pencil. I took art for several years.

So why don't you try yer own rendition, Blazor?

Or do you have a jealous girlfriend hangng around the house?

We oughta get an X-Rated art section/thread goin', eh
 
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Blazor

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe iafter seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tieresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

I think you did a great analyzation in trying to create a reversal frontal.

I do real good with pencil. I took art for several years.

So why don't you try yer own rendition, Blazor?

Or do you have a jealous girlfriend hnagng around the house?

We oughta get an X-Rated art section/thread goin', eh

Thing is with my drawings, Im better at seeing something, and not using my imagination. Thats why I had an appreciation for what you did lol.

I've only done 2 nude drawings when I was younger. The one I mentioned before, and then I did one for my friend in the military that I sent him. He use to be the friend that watched a lot of porn, but where he was stationed, nothing was allowed. So I drew him a good one and sent it to him lol. I still have that first drawing I did, but no copy of that second one. That friend lives down near Biggie now. Said he loves it down there.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe iafter seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tieresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

I think you did a great analyzation in trying to create a reversal frontal.

I do real good with pencil. I took art for several years.

So why don't you try yer own rendition, Blazor?

Or do you have a jealous girlfriend hnagng around the house?

We oughta get an X-Rated art section/thread goin', eh

Thing is with my drawings, Im better at seeing something, and not using my imagination. Thats why I had an appreciation for what you did lol.

I've only done 2 nude drawings when I was younger. The one I mentioned before, and then I did one for my friend in the military that I sent him. He use to be the friend that watched a lot of porn, but where he was stationed, nothing was allowed. So I drew him a good one and sent it to him lol. I still have that first drawing I did, but no copy of that second one. That friend lives down near Biggie now. Said he loves it down there.

I bet there's a decent market for X-Rated art, eh Blazor?

If a guy has difficulty selling his art, maybe he oughta sell 'art-porn' or 'porn-art', eh.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg

This is awesome, Joe!

I cant wait to see it finished!
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.
 

Blazor

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe iafter seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tieresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

I think you did a great analyzation in trying to create a reversal frontal.

I do real good with pencil. I took art for several years.

So why don't you try yer own rendition, Blazor?

Or do you have a jealous girlfriend hnagng around the house?

We oughta get an X-Rated art section/thread goin', eh

Thing is with my drawings, Im better at seeing something, and not using my imagination. Thats why I had an appreciation for what you did lol.

I've only done 2 nude drawings when I was younger. The one I mentioned before, and then I did one for my friend in the military that I sent him. He use to be the friend that watched a lot of porn, but where he was stationed, nothing was allowed. So I drew him a good one and sent it to him lol. I still have that first drawing I did, but no copy of that second one. That friend lives down near Biggie now. Said he loves it down there.

I bet there's a decent market for X-Rated art, eh Blazor?

If a guy has difficulty selling his art, maybe he oughta sell 'art-porn' or 'porn-art', eh.

I have no idea, but I know this guy prolly does, he does amazing work. You should look up Luis Royo!!

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Hahahahaha!!!

Think I started mowing the grass and trimming the bushes 23 years ago.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had nice proportions a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe it after seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tiresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

Detroit Edge, add for Cheetahs. :Cheers:

I didnt tell people I was a stripper. I was doxxed during the time I worked at Penthouse in NOLA.

So I just owned it.
 

Joe

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had nice proportions a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe it after seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tiresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

Detroit Edge, add for Cheetahs. :Cheers:

I didnt tell people I was a stripper. I was doxxed during the time I worked at Penthouse in NOLA.

So I just owned it.

You know whats something, is that art print I just posted, was from an old Penthouse magazine I still have!


And I see BF's subtle nod that we are carrying on in here, instead of posting sexy selfies lol.

I was thinkin' Blazor.

Maybe I could produce a bunch of arwork with half nude scantily clad women in Confederate Stars & Bars style bikinis, eh?

or them nude with Confderate flag backdrops.

Think there's a market that sorta thing?

After all, one's forbidden and the other's forbidden too.

So that makes two in one.

Buyer'd git a bargain, eh?

Buy one taboo, git the other too, eh?
 
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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

Well...she had nice proportions a beautiful body, that I won't dispute.

So while others doubted that Dovey was a stripper, I can believe it after seeing that photo.

Must have been a promo shot or used for a job application for a stripper position.

Any event, it was a hard drawing to do, because it's a fairly contrted pse/position, and it's difficult to imagine what that kinda pose looks like from he front if you can't see it.

Maybe I'll take another steb at it using paint or pastel..

Gets kinda tiresome to do the same drawing over again tho.

Detroit Edge, add for Cheetahs. :Cheers:

I didnt tell people I was a stripper. I was doxxed during the time I worked at Penthouse in NOLA.

So I just owned it.

You know whats something, is that art print I just posted, was from an old Penthouse magazine I still have!


And I see BF's subtle nod that we are carrying on in here, instead of posting sexy selfies lol.

I was thinkin' Blazr.

Maybe I could produce a bunch of arwork with half nude scantily clad women in Confederate Stars & Bars style bikinis, eh?

of tehm nude with Confderate flag backdrops.

Think there's a market that sorta thing?

After all, one's forbidden and the other's forbidden too.

So that makes two in one.

Buyer'd git a bargain, eh?

Buy one taboo, git th other, eh?
Why Half Nude?
 

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This is awesome, Joe!

I cant wait to see it finished!

Y'know Dovey, women or the female figure are extremely difficult to draw/paint.
Probably one of the most difficult subjects out there .
And the more perfect the body or face & compromsing its pose, the harder it is to execute/draw properly.

Whether in line, shade or color. because everything seems to align with a proportionality constant.
Maybe it has something to do with the laws or proportions & the Golden Mean, eh.
And if the artist is off by just tick or hairline fracture, it can ruin the drawing very easily.
When drawing the female subject, everything has to line up exactly right ....or else it looks wrong.

ie - in that photo you posted, it's a very contorted, helical position.
The body twists like a helix and the head is twisted at a steep angle on its side.


DNA_double_helix-2-28f804b6171f403bbb83bcdaab167668.jpg


Def a female pose, cuz very few min irl life have that kind of flexibilty/bendability irl.
Somehow, I think the photo has an even more pronounced curvature than I'd depicted it as.

The curve is like an 'S' or a whip.
 
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Matt Smith

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.
You’d love this pubic hair song then Dovey! :Grin3:

 

Joe

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Well Dovey...you said you was a hot 20 years old in that pic.

So...that was during the 'Bush' administration, eh?

Anyways, I like hair on a woman cuz it makes them look sexy.

Yanno I once worked with this waitress who was a Playby Centerfold& she didn't shave it.

1983-01-01lonnychin.jpg


...she had her brief moment of glory, but sadly her life skidded downhill after that.

got into trouble with the law spent time in the Penn.

She may have been framed tho.
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Well Dovey...you said you was a hot 20 years old in that pic.

So...that was during the 'Bush' administration, eh?

Anyways, I like hair on a woman cuz it makes them look sexy.

Yanno I once worked with this waitress who was a Playby Centerfold& she didn't shave it.

1983-01-01lonnychin.jpg


...she had her brief moment of glory, but sadly her life skidded downhill after that.

got into trouble with the law spent time in the Penn.

She may have been framed tho.
That’s some fine dark chocolate!
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Well Dovey...you said you was a hot 20 years old in that pic.

So...that was during the 'Bush' administration, eh?

Anyways, I like hair on a woman cuz it makes them look sexy.

Yanno I once worked with this waitress who was a Playby Centerfold& she didn't shave it.

1983-01-01lonnychin.jpg


...she had her brief moment of glory, but sadly her life skidded downhill after that.

got into trouble with the law spent time in the Penn.

She may have been framed tho.

Yep.....it sure was the Bush administration. That was the year 2000.

What's her name? I wanna look it up!
 

Joe

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Well Dovey...you said you was a hot 20 years old in that pic.

So...that was during the 'Bush' administration, eh?

Anyways, I like hair on a woman cuz it makes them look sexy.

Yanno I once worked with this waitress who was a Playby Centerfold& she didn't shave it.

1983-01-01lonnychin.jpg


...she had her brief moment of glory, but sadly her life skidded downhill after that.

got into trouble with the law spent time in the Penn.

She may have been framed tho.

Yep.....it sure was the Bush administration. That was the year 2000.

What's her name? I wanna look it up!

Lonny Chin
 

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Anyways, I tried colorizing the sketch.

Haven't finished, thought I'd take a break from it...

Dovey-2.jpg


...Stage 2 I guess.

Let me know what I can try to improve on it.

Screenshot-20210118-024154-Messages.jpg
Nipple studs, landing-strip pubes and a pair of labia rings! :ThumbsUp3:

Yeah, Dove at that age, I dont see having a bush like that lol. Maybe a landing strip like you say, or the Dorito Patch lol. Im leaning Dorito Patch hahaha.

There hasnt been grass on this playground since the Bush administration.

Pubic hair grosses me out.

Well Dovey...you said you was a hot 20 years old in that pic.

So...that was during the 'Bush' administration, eh?

Anyways, I like hair on a woman cuz it makes them look sexy.

Yanno I once worked with this waitress who was a Playby Centerfold& she didn't shave it.

1983-01-01lonnychin.jpg


...she had her brief moment of glory, but sadly her life skidded downhill after that.

got into trouble with the law spent time in the Penn.

She may have been framed tho.

Yep.....it sure was the Bush administration. That was the year 2000.

What's her name? I wanna look it up!

Lonny Chin

Ahhhhhh we just got moved for thread jacking lol.

Oops! Sorry people!

One of the buildings I worked in a few times in NOLA was where Blaze Star had an affair with the governor.

It was also haunted AF