110 years because his brakes failed

[Lily]

Mistakes aren't 9 minutes long, fuckface.

This fuckin' cocksucker got behind the wheel of a transport truck knowing he was ill-equipped to handle it. He had all kinds of time to decide it was too dangerous before he even started the truck. Then he even had an opportunity to park it and wait for a mechanic to make sure it was working okay. And to get an experienced driver there to help him.

Instead, he decided to risk it.

And he killed 4 people.

You can't prove what he knew. You fail.

I believe DDT when he said he did research and it was found that the Killer Truck Driver had parked his truck earlier with smoking brakes.

That is enough proof that he knew what he was doing.

No, it's actually not.

 

[The Prowler]

If you geared down to first gear - I mean one gear at a time until you get to first - what would the maximum speed be?

Any idea?

Also, the guy must have had options to crash...take it into the side of the mountain or whatever. As a motorcyclist, I know that there are times where we should choose to dump our bike and suffer serious injuries rather that risk going airborne and being killed. I would think a truck driver should have considered these kinds of decisions before even hitting the road.

If the truck was equipped with an Eaton RoadRanger transmission (which I'll assume it was), you can't downshift them in a runaway scenario. They're a non-synchro tranny.

Oh, so @The Prowler doesn't know everything, imagine that. hahaha

Of course. That is why I asked a question. Hahaha!!!

But as DDT indicated later, the guy knew he was not able to properly gear down when he should have been able to.

But he still decided to drive.

 

[The Prowler]

No, it's actually not.

Yes, it actually is.

That is why he was found guilty and is going to jail.

 

[Lily]

No, it's actually not.

Yes, it actually is.

That is why he was found guilty and is going to jail.

OJ was more guilty of multiple murders than this guy, moron.

 

[The Prowler]

OJ was more guilty of multiple murders than this guy, moron.

Woah!!

Great point!!!!

</sarcasm off>

 

[Oerdin]

Smoking brakes. So he knew they might fail. But he decided to risk the lives of other people and keep driving.

And because of that, he killed 4 people.

He also testified he couldn't get the truck back into gear, so it's sort of what I thought... He simply wasn't experienced enough to handle that vehicle. The gear should be chosen and held for the down grade, with the engine brake doing most of the braking.

But if his brakes were already smoking before, he simply wasn't driving it correctly.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Amazon apparently told workers they'd be fired if they left the building that collapsed on them. Workers are compromised at worksites/workplaces all over the globe.

Life in prison for killing four people through willful negligence does seem to fit the crime.

 

[Lily]

Smoking brakes. So he knew they might fail. But he decided to risk the lives of other people and keep driving.

And because of that, he killed 4 people.

He also testified he couldn't get the truck back into gear, so it's sort of what I thought... He simply wasn't experienced enough to handle that vehicle. The gear should be chosen and held for the down grade, with the engine brake doing most of the braking.

But if his brakes were already smoking before, he simply wasn't driving it correctly.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Amazon apparently told workers they'd be fired if they left the building that collapsed on them. Workers are compromised at worksites/workplaces all over the globe.

Life in prison for killing four people through willful negligence does seem to fit the crime.

I don't believe it was willful. OJ was freed upon intentional and premediated murder.

 

[The Prowler]

Legal minds all around the world are using the OJ trial as a reference to compare to this runaway truck legal case.

 

[DDT]

The real problem is driver training, or lack of it. When I got my CDL, I had really no business being out on the highways to be honest.

Consider this: Learn how air brakes work, drive around town for a few hours with instructor, take road test with tester (which consisted of driving around the same blocks a few times, then backing in between cones). I'm now a trucker.

Apply for job, and get thrown the keys. Tomorrow I'm going to Los Angeles. Alone.

Through a combination of luck and common sense, I made it work. But it shouldn't be this way. Can you believe it was only this past October when drivers here had to be able to show the road tester they could actually chain up a tire? And this is in one of the most mountainous regions in North America. Only this last October did they actually implement an overhaul of the training required, where they HAVE to teach a minimum number of hours in different conditions, and not just driving around the block. And the only reason they did that is because of the East Indian that killed a bunch of kids in Humboldt.

The US is still lax in this regard. You can get your CDL in a week there still. Some shitty fly by night company will hire you.

 

[Lily]

The real problem is driver training, or lack of it. When I got my CDL, I had really no business being out on the highways to be honest.

Consider this: Learn how air brakes work, drive around town for a few hours with instructor, take road test with tester (which consisted of driving around the same blocks a few times, then backing in between cones). I'm now a trucker.

Apply for job, and get thrown the keys. Tomorrow I'm going to Los Angeles. Alone.

Through a combination of luck and common sense, I made it work. But it shouldn't be this way. Can you believe it was only this past October when drivers here had to be able to show the road tester they could actually chain up a tire? And this is in one of the most mountainous regions in North America. Only this last October did they actually implement an overhaul of the training required, where they HAVE to teach a minimum number of hours in different conditions, and not just driving around the block. And the only reason they did that is because of the East Indian that killed a bunch of kids in Humboldt.

The US is still lax in this regard. You can get your CDL in a week there still. Some shitty fly by night company will hire you.

The industry has its lobbyists that influence law and regulation to their benefit, not to the benefit of other drivers. I appreciate your rational and reasonable response to this issue. It sounds frightening to put drivers on the road so quickly with minimal experience.

 

[The Prowler]

The real problem is driver training, or lack of it. When I got my CDL, I had really no business being out on the highways to be honest.

Consider this: Learn how air brakes work, drive around town for a few hours with instructor, take road test with tester (which consisted of driving around the same blocks a few times, then backing in between cones). I'm now a trucker.

Apply for job, and get thrown the keys. Tomorrow I'm going to Los Angeles. Alone.

Through a combination of luck and common sense, I made it work. But it shouldn't be this way. Can you believe it was only this past October when drivers here had to be able to show the road tester they could actually chain up a tire? And this is in one of the most mountainous regions in North America. Only this last October did they actually implement an overhaul of the training required, where they HAVE to teach a minimum number of hours in different conditions, and not just driving around the block. And the only reason they did that is because of the East Indian that killed a bunch of kids in Humboldt.

The US is still lax in this regard. You can get your CDL in a week there still. Some shitty fly by night company will hire you.

Quick question: If you were in the same position as the Killer Truck Driver, and you had safely parked the truck. And you knew you had to head out down a mountain. And you knew the brakes were already smoking because you had not been able to drive in a lower gear so had been overusing the brakes. And you knew you would be in the same position again if you went out on the road.

Would you have gone out, or have called for help?

 

[Joe]

The industry has its lobbyists that influence law and regulation to their benefit, not to the benefit of other drivers. I appreciate your rational and reasonable response to this issue. It sounds frightening to put drivers on the road so quickly with minimal experience.

Greediest of all are the Government regulators.

Not just in the USA but Canada as well.

As long as there's a dollar in it for them, they'll approve of something no matter how much it goes against public safety or the common good.

Governments, especially the politicians and their bureacrats are really greedy.

 

[Lokmar]

I remember when there was all this advocating for Mexican Nationals to be allowed to drive trucks in this country. I do believe that the strongest advocates were democRATs. Typical.

 

[DDT]

Quick question: If you were in the same position as the Killer Truck Driver, and you had safely parked the truck. And you knew you had to head out down a mountain. And you knew the brakes were already smoking because you had not been able to drive in a lower gear so had been overusing the brakes. And you knew you would be in the same position again if you went out on the road.

Would you have gone out, or have called for help?

At the very least I would've sat there and let the brakes cool down. Smoking brakes is obviously a bad sign to most with common sense. But that's a hard question to answer, since I've never been in that situation. I've always been able to control the truck. I'll assume his engine brake was working, because if it wasn't, holding a gear would make no difference... Diesel engines, unlike gasoline engines, can't provide any compression braking without an engine brake. But then, I wouldn't drive a truck without an engine brake anyhow (unless it was right to the shop to get it fixed).

It is clear that he did take a risk in continuing down the mountain. He rolled the dice, and it didn't work out this time. He was in very steep, mountainous terrain that he had no business being on. I'm pretty sure he just couldn't shift the non-synchro transmission well enough to maintain control, in my opinion.

At the very least he should've phoned his boss to ask for advice while he was still stopped, but seeing as how this was a shitty fly-by-night company in the first place, I'm not sure what sort of response he would've gotten.

 

[DDT]

I remember when there was all this advocating for Mexican Nationals to be allowed to drive trucks in this country. I do believe that the strongest advocates were democRATs. Typical.

Yup. As if things aren't bad enough already... we'll throw a few hundred thousand more beans in their shitty old junk to clog up the highways even more.

 

[LotusBud]

I remember when there was all this advocating for Mexican Nationals to be allowed to drive trucks in this country. I do believe that the strongest advocates were democRATs. Typical.

Are you fucking serious? That was part of the proposed free trade in the Americas agreement, as I recall. All that shit, including NAFTA, was something I always fervently opposed. That's pro-capitalist, anti-worker bullshit.

 

[DDT]

The industry has its lobbyists that influence law and regulation to their benefit, not to the benefit of other drivers. I appreciate your rational and reasonable response to this issue. It sounds frightening to put drivers on the road so quickly with minimal experience.

It is a unique industry, that's for sure. Barrier to entry: Low. Pay: Usually low. Cost of fucking up even just once: Extremely high.

Many view it as an easy, simple job, since the truck goes down the road just like their family car does...

I had a job road testing drivers for a company that I once worked for, and it was what I expected: Many weren't suited for the job. I refused to hire them, but the company did so anyhow...

And surprisingly so, it was a White female that could shift the 18 speed Fuller the best out of all I tested...

 

[LotusBud]

The industry has its lobbyists that influence law and regulation to their benefit, not to the benefit of other drivers. I appreciate your rational and reasonable response to this issue. It sounds frightening to put drivers on the road so quickly with minimal experience.

It is a unique industry, that's for sure. Barrier to entry: Low. Pay: Usually low. Cost of fucking up even just once: Extremely high.

Many view it as an easy, simple job, since the truck goes down the road just like their family car does...

I had a job road testing drivers for a company that I once worked for, and it was what I expected: Many weren't suited for the job. I refused to hire them, but the company did so anyhow...

And surprisingly so, it was a White female that could shift the 18 speed Fuller the best out of all I tested...

I have a female friend who was a trucker for a few years. She said her biggest challenge was driving an 18-wheeler in Los Angeles. I can't even imagine.

 

[DDT]

I have a female friend who was a trucker for a few years. She said her biggest challenge was driving an 18-wheeler in Los Angeles. I can't even imagine.

There were weeks I spent more time in LA, than in Canada where I live.

 

[LotusBud]

I have a female friend who was a trucker for a few years. She said her biggest challenge was driving an 18-wheeler in Los Angeles. I can't even imagine.

There were weeks I spent more time in LA, than in Canada where I live.

LA is the worst. I am so glad my kids got out of there and I never have to go there again.

 

[DDT]

I did run rogue though, dropped the trailer when I could, and I drove that truck down to Big Sur! Without a trailer, you'd be surprised just how fast we can go!

I don't think commercial vehicles are even allowed on that route, but whatever...

Lots of cool places... Monterey.

Salinas was always my go to though, but not by my choice... And Salinas is filled with BEANS!

 

[DDT]

LA is the worst. I am so glad my kids got out of there and I never have to go there again.

I dreaded every single time I was sent there. It is a shithole.

 

[DDT]

Now I run my own show, and do what I want, when I want, and how I want. And I'm home every night...

 

[Dove]

Your evidence for this statement?

He did nothing right.

Anyone with any level of self-awareness will know if they are equipped to deal with emergency situations. The guy froze.

You and your leftist shitfucks come down of cops who panic in stressful situations. You always want them to be tossed in jail. The guy that killed that one druggie scumbag thug George Floyd made a mistake and is going to jail for it. One druggie scumbag scourge of society died and the cop goes to jail. 4 innocent people die and the asshole who caused it should go to jail too.

I would be completely terrified to touch a machine like that if I wasn't trained and prepared for these sorts of scenarios.

I dont think this guy deserves 110 years.....but he definately needs to be held responsible for what he did. And imo the company shares in that responsibility.....paying this guy to get out on the road in a machine that deadly that he was not trained for.

Just sad. Makes you wonder how many other idiots are out there operating these. My dad was a trucker and told me they are always willing to hire idiots who cant even drive the things. One of my childhood friends is a trucker as well.....she loves it. I would honestly be terrified to drive one. Nope.

 

[Dove]

The industry has its lobbyists that influence law and regulation to their benefit, not to the benefit of other drivers. I appreciate your rational and reasonable response to this issue. It sounds frightening to put drivers on the road so quickly with minimal experience.

Greediest of all are the Government regulators.

Not just in the USA but Canada as well.

As long as there's a dollar in it for them, they'll approve of something no matter how much it goes against public safety or the common good.

Governments, especially the politicians and their bureacrats are really greedy.

Yep.

 

[Lokmar]

I remember when there was all this advocating for Mexican Nationals to be allowed to drive trucks in this country. I do believe that the strongest advocates were democRATs. Typical.

Are you fucking serious? That was part of the proposed free trade in the Americas agreement, as I recall. All that shit, including NAFTA, was something I always fervently opposed. That's pro-capitalist, anti-worker bullshit.

Damn right I'm serious! Leftists said it was RAYCIS to oppose mexican trucks and drivers. YOU'RE leftist!!!!

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I have a female friend who was a trucker for a few years. She said her biggest challenge was driving an 18-wheeler in Los Angeles. I can't even imagine.

There were weeks I spent more time in LA, than in Canada where I live.

LA is the worst. I am so glad my kids got out of there and I never have to go there again.

So basically you don't like Liberal shitholes

can't say I blame you

but why are you such a hypocrite about it tho

 

[Seamajor]

The real issue is that he shouldn't have been behind the wheel in the first place it seems, especially driving old junk for a fly-by-night company.

Bingo. Junk Trucks. There must be 10,000 old pieces of shit Mack dump trucks down here. Inspections maintenance? No exactly. Rare to see one without at least one bent rim.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Go away child predator

 

[LotusBud]

I remember when there was all this advocating for Mexican Nationals to be allowed to drive trucks in this country. I do believe that the strongest advocates were democRATs. Typical.

Are you fucking serious? That was part of the proposed free trade in the Americas agreement, as I recall. All that shit, including NAFTA, was something I always fervently opposed. That's pro-capitalist, anti-worker bullshit.

Damn right I'm serious! Leftists said it was RAYCIS to oppose mexican trucks and drivers. YOU'RE leftist!!!!

I never said that. I thought the trucking part of the proposal was very bad, along with almost everything else in it. You don't know what you're talking about.