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Pardons, Lotus - I used to live in Oakland CA - about 70% black, and yet me and 5 other people (kin and friends) were the only white people for blocks around. Certainly it wasn't only 70 %...

You know what - I'll take the word of the census. 95% white and 85%+ Catholic and other Christian. Fact.
Ooooohhhhh. You're so, so, so...
 

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Since most of those people coming from area once considered being a part of Portugal have some easy access to having "Portuguese" status, and wanting to be identified as such, if think we all want to be one of 'the good guys'
 

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Since most of those people coming from area once considered being a part of Portugal have some easy access to having Portuguese status, and wanting to be identified as such?
I'm not sure what you're referencing. Are you saying that maybe we don't know their race because they call themselves Portuguese and leave it at that?

Perhaps.

I also think Portugal doesn't collect racial and ethnic data as they see doing so as an avenue to racism. Not sure why they don't.

My only argument with know=it=all is that Portugal is far from homogenous. It just is. Whatever the percentages. At least in the three regions I have lived in. Now the Algarve is a different beast altogether. It's been infiltrated by Limeys.
 

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I'm not sure what you're referencing. Are you saying that maybe we don't know their race because they call themselves Portuguese and leave it at that?

Perhaps.

I also think Portugal doesn't collect racial and ethnic data as they see doing so as an avenue to racism. Not sure why they don't.

My only argument with know=it=all is that Portugal is far from homogenous. It just is. Whatever the percentages. At least in the three regions I have lived in. Now the Algarve is a different beast altogether. It's been infiltrated by Limeys.
No, I'm not saying that, just the Algerian or Moroccan etc immigrant mghnt want to do or say what they can to fit in, if a stranger asks an immigrant something, they want to fit in.
 

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Where'd you get those BS stats, pal?
BTW, those numbers at the bottom are for acquisition of citizenship 2008-2022. So, it's for a limited time, and it doesn't count the number of legal residents. You can be a legal resident all your life. You don't have to become a Portuguese citizen.
 

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Pardons, Lotus - I used to live in Oakland CA - about 70% black, and yet me and 5 other people (kin and friends) were the only white people for blocks around. Certainly it wasn't only 70 %...

You know what - I'll take the word of the census. 95% white and 85%+ Catholic and other Christian. Fact.

Oakland's percentage of black people peaked in 1980 at 47%. Perhaps you're referring to the neighborhood you lived in?

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Portugal does not have a homogenous society. Have you ever been here? It's far, far more diverse than Montana.

It's like when Shitler says I live in the ghetto. If I recall correctly, you have family in San Jose. Do you see San Jose as a city that has urban ghettos like LA, Detroit, Houston, Chicago...?
 

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I had inlaws in the area, and Grandpa IL took us for a drive around the area down hill and up...including a bit of the garden area.

There are some very pretty vistas and sites in Oakland. I like Alameda too, nice small town feel in the middle of the Bay Area...with great restaurants.
 

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It's like when Shitler says I live in the ghetto. If I recall correctly, you have family in San Jose. Do you see San Jose as a city that has urban ghettos like LA, Detroit, Houston, Chicago...?
No, not at all.
 

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Lotus, dear - all of that confirms what I had writ. About 84-85% Catholic/other Christian + 14% no religion.
95% Portuguese/white.
You can also search site after site showing the same results.
You live in one of the whitest/Catholic countries on Earth. Period.
 

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Lotus, dear - all of that confirms what I had writ. About 84-85% Catholic/other Christian + 14% no religion.
95% Portuguese/white.
You can also search site after site showing the same results.
You live in one of the whitest/Catholic countries on Earth. Period.
It does not do that at all if you take 2 things VERY IMPORTANT into account:

1) Those are numbers for Portuguese CITIZENS. One can live here their entire lives as permanent residents without becoming citizens. I am currently a permanent resident. There are MANY of us. Those stats are for a specific SUBGROUP of immigrants.

2) The Portuguese government DOES NOT gather stats on race, religion, etc., as stated in my post and emphasized. So how can those stats you posted be accurate in any way?

Ooops, I forgot

3) You don't know what you're talking about. Obviously you didn't read my comment below the stats I posted. SMH
 

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Those are numbers for Portuguese CITIZENS.
Nice try, Lotus.
The question was What percentage of the Portuguese population.....
Answer: 95% ethnic Portuguese...Ethnic Portuguese is European White. Look it up.

Sure there are 10s of thousands of immigrants (do you understand percentages though?) but the larger portion of those listed are also white.
Just admit it Lotus...you live in whiteyville...there's no shame.
Oh and that big pie-chart on the right side toward the bottom absolutely confirmed what I wrote regarding religion.

Sing me a song, luv.

 
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Nice try, Lotus.
The question was What percentage of the Portuguese population.....
Answer: 95% ethnic Portuguese...Ethnic Portuguese is European White. Look it up.

Sure there are 10s of thousands of immigrants (do you understand percentages though?) but the larger portion of those listed are also white.
Just admit it Lotus...you live in whiteyville...there's no shame.
Oh and that big pie-chart on the right side toward the bottom absolutely confirmed what I wrote regarding religion.

Sing me a song, luv.


No. The question is: How much of what Holliday keeps insisting is actually true? I'd say it's 95% BS.
 

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No. The question is: How much of what Holliday keeps insisting is actually true? I'd say it's 95% BS.
. Lotus, I sense you are embarrassed that it has been observed that you chose a very white and very non-religiously diverse country to emigrate to. You shouldn't. I hear it's a lovely place, will suit you and you will be, and are happy there. All of my adult life I I lived in ethnically/racially diverse communities, starting with my move to the urban section of Oakland which at the time was 2/3rds black and much more so in my neighborhood. In my work life I worked with more foreign and non-white people than white Americans by far. Of course my very early years were in a white suburb till about 18 YoA. Today though, like most older people I feel more content, at ease with people who share some similar background - formative, that is. My town is a full 60% white Americans and if I make a cultural reference such as "homina homina homina", no one calls the police or complains to HR that I had been inappropriate in speech, threatened or propositioned them due to their ignorance.
...and, according to studies, it's quite normal for people to seek that latter in life. It's okay that you prefer to be around people that "look like you" (to borrow a bit of campaign rhetoric from OAC). Whether the choice was conscious or under the cognitive radar is no matter. It was a good choice and you can be pleased with it w/o reservation.

 
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. Lotus, I sense you are embarrassed that it has been observed that you chose a very white and very non-religiously diverse country to emigrate to. You shouldn't. I hear it's a lovely place, will suit you and you will be, and are happy there. All of my adult life I I lived in ethnically/racially diverse communities, starting with my move to the urban section of Oakland which at the time was 2/3rds black and much more so in my neighborhood. In my work life I worked with more foreign and non-white people than white Americans by far. Of course my very early years were in a white suburb till about 18 YoA. Today though, like most older people I feel more content, at ease with people who share some similar background - formative, that is. My town is a full 60% white Americans and if I make a cultural reference such as "homina homina homina", no one calls the police or complains to HR that I had been inappropriate in speech, threatened or propositioned them due to they're ignorance.
...and, according to studies, it's quite normal for people to seek that latter in life. It's okay that you prefer to be around people that "look like you" (to borrow a bit of campaign rhetoric from OAC). Whether the choice was conscious or under the cognitive radar is no matter. It was a good choice and you can be pleased with it w/o reservation.
I've lived my entire life in ethnically and racially diverse places.

I like it that way and don't see that ever changing.