Is anyone following the Gabby Petito saga?

[Lily]

At some level, the 4 parents failed them both and that's why their children are dead. I would bet both of those families had dysfunction at some level. They both normalized inappropriate behavior.

Another thing I blame is the bulldoze/helicopter parenting that raised those under 40, imo, to think they were the best thing that ever happened to planet Earth and they can't be challenged in any way.

I bet he couldn't handle her standing up to him and saying no or other things that hurt his "feelz". Fucker.

I knew his family would never see him again.. I was surprised they found his remains tho. I was positive with the media reported survival skills that he made it deep into Mexico.

I thought he would run or be dead. He would never face the music.

He is a total coward. A man who was in love with her would have called authorities so her body wasn’t left outside exposed to the elements and so her family could have peace. What a fucking ASSHOLE.

We're both mothers...the idea that someone would take from you a creature you brought into this world and nurtured, well it tears me up.

It's why I haven't been able to come to terms with the death penalty. I know intellectually it's probably bad, but man take one of my family members...I would want blood.

I learned long ago to not connect myself with what these parents are going thought… it’s absolutely overwhelming for me.

I am pro death penalty.

I have a hard time with the idea of the State taking a life, in spite of a heinous crime, it still seems so wrong.

 

[Blurt]

 

[Lokmar]

I'd have shoved my fingers in that niggers fukin eyeballs.

 

[Lily]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

 

[Blurt]

I'd have shoved my fingers in that niggers fukin eyeballs.

That's because you ain't Christ-like.

 

[Murdy]

I am pro death penalty.

You are?

For serial killers and violent rapists YES

 

[The Countess]

Kill one of mine and I kill your mother. Go ahead and lock me up for life cuz my life would be over without my child.

This stupid fuck would have got fucked up inside. The prison gangs have a rule now about women beaters.

 

[Lily]

I am pro death penalty.

You are?

For serial killers and violent rapists YES

Those two exact groups that keep me on the fence, pedophiles too.

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

 

[Lily]

Kill one of mine and I kill your mother. Go ahead and lock me up for life cuz my life would be over without my child.

This stupid fuck would have got fucked up inside. The prison gangs have a rule now about women beaters.

Gurl, we Latinas as all Fuck!

 

[Lily]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

 

[Lily]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

We could take them out of society, I suppose. I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

 

[Lokmar]

I'd have shoved my fingers in that niggers fukin eyeballs.

That's because you ain't Christ-like.

Am I God like if I want him dead? Cause thats what God orders us to do with faggits, murderers, and kidnappers.

 

[Murdy]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

I’m hopeful that the thought of being strapped down and having a lethal cocktail injected into your veins would make most of them think twice before proceeding down that path. That’s my reasoning.

 

[Murdy]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

We could take them out of society, I suppose. I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Death.

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

 

[Lokmar]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

You mean pretty much like the account of Noah, dumb ass?

 

[Lily]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

We need new prison systems then. Most people that are held accountable come out worse from prison than when they went in.

 

[Murdy]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

You have a beautifully genuine heart.


I never went into criminal law for obvious reasons… but I’ve seen what pieces of shit the majority actually are and it’s hardened me when it comes to crime.


My heart is reserved for my children, family and close friends.

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

You mean pretty much like the account of Noah, dumb ass?

Nope.

More like the First Saying of Jesus on the Cross: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

We need new prison systems then. Most people that are held accountable come out worse from prison than when they went in.

Agreed.

A system with a focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution.

 

[Lily]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

We need new prison systems then. Most people that are held accountable come out worse from prison than when they went in.

Agreed.

A system with a focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution.

And steering families away from dysfunction to begin with...*sigh*

 

[Murdy]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

We need new prison systems then. Most people that are held accountable come out worse from prison than when they went in.

They get a Ph.D in crime when they go to prison.

 

[Blurt]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

You have a beautifully genuine heart.


I never went into criminal law for obvious reasons… but I’ve seen what pieces of shit the majority actually are and it’s hardened me when it comes to crime.


My heart is reserved for my children, family and close friends.

I hear you, Murdie.

I spent the last 25 years of my life working with hardcore hardcases in housing for the homeless, halfway houses for the recently paroled, and for post-hospitalization psychiatric aftercare service providers, and I swear I've seen so much shit that could have made me despair for the salvageability of the human race, but I've also seen darkness turn to light in corners from which I least expected it. Never happens as often as I would hope, but even one single tale of redemption is enough to make me believe that "a life for a life" is just the wrong way to go.

I know it's a minority opinion.

 

[Murdy]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

You have a beautifully genuine heart.


I never went into criminal law for obvious reasons… but I’ve seen what pieces of shit the majority actually are and it’s hardened me when it comes to crime.


My heart is reserved for my children, family and close friends.

I hear you, Murdie.

I spent the last 25 years of my life working with hardcore hardcases in housing for the homeless, halfway houses for the recently paroled, and for post-hospitalization psychiatric aftercare service providers, and I swear I've seen so much shit that could have made me despair for the salvageability of the human race, but I've also seen darkness turn to light in corners from which I least expected it. Never happens as often as I would hope, but even one single tale of redemption is enough to make me believe that "a life for a life" js the wrong way to go.

I know it's a minority opinion.

I completely understand why you feel this way. I used to feel this way too, but then I had children and the protective mama bear came out of me. I was also a little girl when Richard Ramirez was terrorizing Los Angeles as the night stalker. That fear has always stayed with me.

One story that comes to mind that solidified my feelings about the death penalty is the home invasion murders of the Petit family in Cheshire, Connecticut.

 

[Blurt]

Again, I hear you, Murd. I can see why you feel that way.

 

[LotusBud]

I ain't Jesus, god damn it, Blurt! I want to get them up on the top of a pyramid, put them on a volcanic rock altar, take a piece of obsidian and cut their hearts out as was done by my ancient ancestors...

I can't help it!

No, I get it Lily. I swear.

But retributive justice simply leads to twice as many lights going out in the world.

There's a lot of darkness out there. Why add to it?

So they don't damage more people?

A fair point.

Rehabilitation isn't for everyone, I guess.

I wonder what's more cruel, lifetime in prison or death?

Another fair point.

There's zero chance of rehabilitation in the grave, though.

Imagine if God, faced with the wicked, wicked ways of Man, had said, "Fuck it! Y'all are goin' down to the ground!" instead of giving mankind another chance?

I'm not religious myself, but I hold very Platonic views of the Good and the Right; people do evil things, not because they're intrinsically evil (no human being is) but because they never had a chance to have someone hold their hand and walk with them for a spell on the road to the Good and the Right. At least until that moment when you can walk on that road in the light of your own soul.

Extinguishing a soul for the extinguishment of another soul diminishes the beauty and grandeur of the universe and calls upon our most atavistic urges, the ones for which, exactly, God found it necessary to forgive us.

I agree with that for the most part. I think the act of forgiveness is one of the most sacred acts a human can perform. Actual rehabilitation coupled with forgiveness can work wonders for a broken soul, and it makes everyone involved better.

I can't get past the act of killing a child, though. I also have a big problem with war criminals -- the ones who create and finance wars, not the enlisted folks. So, I remain on the fence with the death penalty.

 

[The Prowler]

He is a total coward. A man who was in love with her would have called authorities so her body wasn’t left outside exposed to the elements and so her family could have peace. What a fucking ASSHOLE.

Yeah, when murdering someone, remember to be nice to the victim's family.

Do not be an asshole.

 

[Murdy]

He is a total coward. A man who was in love with her would have called authorities so her body wasn’t left outside exposed to the elements and so her family could have peace. What a fucking ASSHOLE.

Yeah, when murdering someone, remember to be nice to the victim's family.

Do not be an asshole.

I’m saying he didn’t love her. That was the point.