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Stay safe Lily. Have a bug-out bag ready. Stuff can be replaced- you can't.
My buddy outside San Diego came close to losing it all a few years ago.

I suppose I wasn't clear, I'm okay...Murdy's the one at risk. I'm in Northern California, quite a way away. I've been monitoring Murdy and some other folks.

I appreciate the sentiment...we can send those good wishes to Murdy.
 

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Since 2017 fires have ravaged California. I don’t think I know anyone living there who’s lives haven’t been affected. The reasons?? Brother lost his house in Santa Rosa. Cousin lost her house in Paradise. Friends in near Healdsburg lost most of the structures on their ranch. These fire storms consume wood framed housing like a sci fi movie.
 

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Since 2017 fires have ravaged California. I don’t think I know anyone living there who’s lives haven’t been affected. The reasons?? Brother lost his house in Santa Rosa. Cousin lost her house in Paradise. Friends in near Healdsburg lost most of the structures on their ranch. These fire storms consume wood framed housing like a sci fi movie.

That's terrible. Were they all able to rebuild?
 

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That's terrible. Were they all able to rebuild?
My brother rebuilt on the same piece of property. My cousin, died of a heart attack right after the fire in Paradise. The rancher rebuilt all of the structures that he lost. Know that PG&E ponied tons of cash to the victims in Sonoma Co.
 

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A reporter on Fox LA says they are looking at arson as a big reason there are so many breakouts. As soon as they get an area contained, and try to catch their breath, another fire erupts. Even with no wind. They even caught a mental guy running around with a blow torch. The crowd grabbed and subdued him. They could not verify if he was responsible for that local fire. He had so many felony warrants that they locked him up and threw away the key. It is quite possible the original fire was arson. The Devil Winds made for some very bad timing.
 

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A reporter on Fox LA says they are looking at arson as a big reason there are so many breakouts. As soon as they get an area contained, and try to catch their breath, another fire erupts. Even with no wind. They even caught a mental guy running around with a blow torch. The crowd grabbed and subdued him. They could not verify if he was responsible for that local fire. He had so many felony warrants that they locked him up and threw away the key. It is quite possible the original fire was arson. The Devil Winds made for some very bad timing.

There are arsonists that would take advantage of the horrible Santa Ana winds. They are monsters.
 

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No one in the media seems to understand what the Devil Winds are or why they occur. The first time I heard about them was in Royce's Powerboating Illustrated, 1960, a workbook that was used in safe boating courses. The lesson was about how the Devil Winds can knock down sail boats. Santa Ana was derived form the Indian word Santanta, which means Devil Wind.

There are two kinds, and the warm Devil Winds occur during the Spring, Summer, and early Fall. You have a high pressure area on the Nevada plateau to the East, and a low pressure area on the Ocean. The weak Devil Winds flow down through the mountain passes to meet the cool incoming Westerlies. A warm no-wind buffer area sets up between them and gives California it's amazing warm dry weather. It is also responsible for the Temperature Inversions that trap smog over cities like LA.

Cold Devil Winds become strong and viscous after Thanksgiving Day as storm tracks move South. The winds pick up velocity as they move through the passes and down the slopes. This compresses and heats the air some 30° while reducing the humidity. The relative humidity in the warm Devil Winds buffer zone can go as low as 10-0%. The wind blows out to sea. This is fire weather.

I remember a reporter speaking to an old timer after one of the first major fires. He said there were always brush and forest fires up there in the hills. But nobody lived there. I don't believe 100mph Devil Winds have ever been recorded before.

Let's see if this can open and be read: rats, too small. Can anyone enlarge this?

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No one in the media seems to understand what the Devil Winds are or why they occur. The first time I heard about them was in Royce's Powerboating Illustrated, 1960, a workbook that was used in safe boating courses. The lesson was about how the Devil Winds can knock down sail boats. Santa Ana was derived form the Indian word Santanta, which means Devil Wind.

There are two kinds, and the warm Devil Winds occur during the Spring, Summer, and early Fall. You have a high pressure area on the Nevada plateau to the East, and a low pressure area on the Ocean. The weak Devil Winds flow down through the mountain passes to meet the cool incoming Westerlies. A warm no-wind buffer area sets up between them and gives California it's amazing warm dry weather. It is also responsible for the Temperature Inversions that trap smog over cities like LA.

Cold Devil Winds become strong and viscous after Thanksgiving Day as storm tracks move South. The winds pick up velocity as they move through the passes and down the slopes. This compresses and heats the air some 30° while reducing the humidity. The relative humidity in the warm Devil Winds buffer zone can go as low as 10-0%. The wind blows out to sea. This is fire weather.

I remember a reporter speaking to an old timer after one of the first major fires. He said there were always brush and forest fires up there in the hills. But nobody lived there. I don't believe 100mph Devil Winds have ever been recorded before.

Let's see if this can open and be read: rats, too small. Can anyone enlarge this?

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The first I heard of the winds was in Boot Camp in Diego one of the guys was a local.
 

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Digital backup is always a great idea. I am sure they are regretting not doing that now. Thumb drives are so powerful now you can stick your entire life story on one and carry it in your pocket. But there is a lot to be said for having a scrap book full of family pictures to peruse with the kids and grandkids. I can't imagine every single thing I owned being burnt up. Or washed away in a flood for that matter. Some serious shit going on here.
 

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Digital backup is always a great idea. I am sure they are regretting not doing that now. Thumb drives are so powerful now you can stick your entire life story on one and carry it in your pocket. But there is a lot to be said for having a scrap book full of family pictures to peruse with the kids and grandkids. I can't imagine every single thing I owned being burnt up. Or washed away in a flood for that matter. Some serious shit going on here.
I think having photographs digitized means thet they're rarely seen for most people.

Most people don't get around to downloading then printing, etc.

There is a lot to be said for looking through pictures in an album with family...
 

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There is a lot to be said for looking through pictures in an album with family...
That is how I am spending the winter. I am scouring all my digital cameras, phones, PC storage, SD cards, anywhere I might have pictures. Then I scored a deal at Walgreens for fifteen cent photos. There was also another 50% off deal going on. I printed almost a thousand photos for scrapbooks. The Grandkids love seeing themselves in picture form and if they want any I can let them take them home and just print more. Fishing pictures on the fridge are a big deal.

The houses in LA have been wiped clean off the slab. No walls, just a chimney, maybe. But have you ever seen a house that was saved by the fire department? They cut holes in the roof. They bust windows. They smash holes in walls. The water soaks everything. The basement fills up. Your heating system is shot. Forget about your stuff, it's all ruined. But they have to do that to put the fire out and keep it from spreading. I don't know what is worse. Loosing it all, or sifting through the debris for mementos.
 

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Our neighbors to the North & South are being bigger humans than “let’s invade” Donnie.
They have sent planes & helicopters to help put out the LA fires.
 

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Here is an interesting video made by a firefighter about using saltwater on the wildfires. San Fransisco has a dual water system that dedicated one system just to fire hydrants. That way when structures burn down, and the domestic water free-flows, they still have good water pressure for fire hydrants. They learned this after the big earthquake when most damage was from fires. They use dedicated reservoirs to supply them. They even have fireboats that can pump salt water ashore to fight fires. Even here in Shitty City the fire department lobbied for, and got, sidewalk gas line shut-offs so when they arrive to a fire they can shut off the gas immediately. I think the LA area is in for some big changes and upgrading after this hell is over.

 

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Digital backup is always a great idea. I am sure they are regretting not doing that now. Thumb drives are so powerful now you can stick your entire life story on one and carry it in your pocket. But there is a lot to be said for having a scrap book full of family pictures to peruse with the kids and grandkids. I can't imagine every single thing I owned being burnt up. Or washed away in a flood for that matter. Some serious shit going on here.
Better than a thumb drive which can get lost, damaged, or stolen is an offsite backup. I use Google Drive, it's 2 Terabytes of storage for about $100 per year. One of the nice features is that if you've got an older pc with a smallish hard drive you can choose to mirror some or all of your data files (mulitimedia, documents etc) so that they aren't physically stored on your computer but act like they are when you view them, copy them etc (although there's somewhat of a lag depending on file size and your internet connection.

I prefer the digital photos and videos because they can be cleaned up, enhanced, cropped, etc and I think they look a lot more interesting when they cycle on a photoframe on a table.