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Crimea didn't want to be part of Ukraine anymore and who could blame them.
The Donbas region (mostly Russian-speaking people) also wanted independence and got shelled/bombed by the Ukrainian forces for eight years (in spite of the Minsk Accords, now known to be a bad-faith negotiation on the part of Ukraine and NATO to give Ukraine time to upgrade its military) until Russia stepped in. Even then Russia agreed to a peace deal that would have made Donbas independent, not part of Russia, but NATO (specifically Boris Johnson) interfered so they could get the proxy war they wanted all along.
Ukraine was never getting Crimea back and now they've lost the Donbas as well.
I hope Taiwan learns that lesson and stops being NATO's little bitch or their fate will be just as regrettable.
The Russians admitted that this alleged "Referendum" done during the Russian occupation that only 15% of the electorate voted for the Moscow Rubber Stamp.Could it be because Russians, during the Soviet Union era, moved a lot of Russians there? History matters.
"According to Wikipedia" LULZ
Fuck outta here with that bullshit.
But thanks for reminding me why I have you on Ignore.
The Russians had an empire, they are very much an imperialist State. Crimea became part of Russia (Soviet Union) in 1921.The Russians admitted that this alleged "Referendum" done during the Russian occupation that only 15% of the electorate voted for the Moscow Rubber Stamp.
Could it be because Russians, during the Soviet Union era, moved a lot of Russians there? History matters.
What exactly are you accusing someone of...
That an unnamed official(s) had the uncanny ability to predict the future and knew not only that the Soviet Union would collapse but that its new borders would be exactly here, here, here, and there so a bunch of people needed to be moved around in order to facilitate a pretext for re-absorbing those areas at some later date?
Source? Citation? Documentation?
Because otherwise your complaint is that during a time period when the whole region was just The Soviet Union some folk from one part wandered over into another part that was still in The Soviet Union.
<scratches head>
Hey you fucked up, no need to cry about it. Or are you a paid Tass Poster?What exactly are you accusing someone of...
That an unnamed official(s) had the uncanny ability to predict the future and knew not only that the Soviet Union would collapse but that its new borders would be exactly here, here, here, and there so a bunch of people needed to be moved around in order to facilitate a pretext for re-absorbing those areas at some later date?
Source? Citation? Documentation?
Because otherwise your complaint is that during a time period when the whole region was just The Soviet Union some folk from one part wandered over into another part that was still in The Soviet Union.
<scratches head>
It was Ukraine before that. We don't need to complicate matters.
^Something a Russian stooge would say. In the 50's you would have been black listed.Maybe if Ukraine hadn't oppressed terrorized and murdered so many of its own Russian-speaking citizens those citizens wouldn't have opted to join Russia.
We don't need to complicate matters.
How many Nazi's have the Cossacks found in Ukraine so far?Maybe if Ukraine hadn't oppressed terrorized and murdered so many of its own Russian-speaking citizens those citizens wouldn't have opted to join Russia.
We don't need to complicate matters.
Maybe if Ukraine hadn't oppressed terrorized and murdered so many of its own Russian-speaking citizens those citizens wouldn't have opted to join Russia.
We don't need to complicate matters.
^Something a Russian stooge would say. In the 50's you would have been black listed.
We needn't ask the American "Spies" being held for ransom. Or Russias own citizens and generals falling out of windows or being poisoned...Vladimir is a nice friendly guy without any Tzarist Imperial Ambitions at all!!! eye roll smiley.The Russians have never oppressed anyone, YO.
But wait, maybe we should ask Hungarians, Lithuanians, Georgians, Chechens, Afghanis, Germans...or maybe not. It won't fit the narrative.
Maybe if Ukraine hadn't oppressed terrorized and murdered so many of its own Russian-speaking citizens those citizens wouldn't have opted to join Russia.
We don't need to complicate matters.
You must have forgotten Stalin existed. You have a selective historical memory, apparently.
And what, prey tell, does Stalin have to do with Ukraine killing its own citizens for the crime of being ethnic Russians; an act of unprovoked aggression and ethnic cleansing that they'd perpetrated up until a couple of years ago?
Ancient history doesn't excuse modern atrocities.
You misspelled Russian Occupiers. Be Best!And what, prey tell, does Stalin have to do with Ukraine killing its own citizens for the crime of being ethnic Russians; an act of unprovoked aggression and ethnic cleansing that they'd perpetrated up until a couple of years ago?
Ancient history doesn't excuse modern atrocities.
How many Nazi's have the Rooskies eliminated so far in Ukraine? You commie symp.And what, prey tell, does Stalin have to do with Ukraine killing its own citizens for the crime of being ethnic Russians; an act of unprovoked aggression and ethnic cleansing that they'd perpetrated up until a couple of years ago?
Ancient history doesn't excuse modern atrocities.
How many Nazi's have the Rooskies eliminated so far in Ukraine? You commie symp.
The "Denazification" was one of the excuses for the Putin's attack on Ukraine.My point is that Russian history is full of regimes, Tsarist emperors than have been expansionist. No one likes being occupied, no one.
They've been fucking over people in other lands for 500 years. Fuck the Russians, they're as bad if not worse, than any other empire.
You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting Russia did the right thing. That's blatant and irrational bias.
While Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union there was a lot of migration throughout the Soviet Union's territories including ethnic Ukrainians *out* of Ukraine and ethnic Russians *in*, but they were still all citizens of the Soviet Union. Not unlike people moving from one state to another here in 'Murica.
So... if somebody moves from California to Texas do Texans have the right to kill them or force them back out to keep their "identity" pure? Should southern border states have the right to shoot border-crossers from Mexico to prevent them from "polluting" 'Murican cultural norms?
Should Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine be rounded up and placed in an open-air prison where their food, water, electricity, etc. can be withheld on a whim, given no rights to travel freely, and routinely abused or killed simply because they're ethnic Russians?
See how you apparently GET IT in one conflict but your blind irrational bias makes you ass-backward if Russia is involved?
Fuck it.
You have zero objectivity where Russia is concerned, for whatever reason, and that means it's pointless to discuss this shit with you. Last word is yours.
Laterz.
Too fucking Trumptarded, get the fuck out of my Country Tumputinist!You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting Russia did the right thing. That's blatant and irrational bias.
While Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union there was a lot of migration throughout the Soviet Union's territories including ethnic Ukrainians *out* of Ukraine and ethnic Russians *in*, but they were still all citizens of the Soviet Union. Not unlike people moving from one state to another here in 'Murica.
So... if somebody moves from California to Texas do Texans have the right to kill them or force them back out to keep their "identity" pure? Should southern border states have the right to shoot border-crossers from Mexico to prevent them from "polluting" 'Murican cultural norms?
Should Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine be rounded up and placed in an open-air prison where their food, water, electricity, etc. can be withheld on a whim, given no rights to travel freely, and routinely abused or killed simply because they're ethnic Russians?
See how you apparently GET IT in one conflict but your blind irrational bias makes you ass-backward if Russia is involved?
Fuck it.
You have zero objectivity where Russia is concerned, for whatever reason, and that means it's pointless to discuss this shit with you. Last word is yours.
Laterz.
I nominate Gayyity_47 for the Basterd Factory Vidkun Quisling Award for perfidious complicity in the face of the Enemy.You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting Russia did the right thing. That's blatant and irrational bias.
While Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union there was a lot of migration throughout the Soviet Union's territories including ethnic Ukrainians *out* of Ukraine and ethnic Russians *in*, but they were still all citizens of the Soviet Union. Not unlike people moving from one state to another here in 'Murica.
So... if somebody moves from California to Texas do Texans have the right to kill them or force them back out to keep their "identity" pure? Should southern border states have the right to shoot border-crossers from Mexico to prevent them from "polluting" 'Murican cultural norms?
Should Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine be rounded up and placed in an open-air prison where their food, water, electricity, etc. can be withheld on a whim, given no rights to travel freely, and routinely abused or killed simply because they're ethnic Russians?
See how you apparently GET IT in one conflict but your blind irrational bias makes you ass-backward if Russia is involved?
Fuck it.
You have zero objectivity where Russia is concerned, for whatever reason, and that means it's pointless to discuss this shit with you. Last word is yours.
Laterz.
Close your eyes and imagine a world where a strong foreign policy works to stabilize rather than destabilize.The Russians had an empire, they are very much an imperialist State. Crimea became part of Russia (Soviet Union) in 1921.
Interesting that people think that Russia is some kind of innocent player in world events.