When do the likes of Reg, and Adam et al have to answer for their opinions?

[The Prowler]

Or unless they've leveraged their worth on paper (stock, etc.) to take out loans that can be affected by a major fluctuation in that estimated value.

A bank should not be using a company's share price to place a value on that company. That is what investors do. A bank should be looking at the risk as to whether or not a loan will be repaid, which is based on operating at a profit.

It can also negatively effect corporate balance sheet projections

What projections?

Assets? Not affected.

Liabilities? Not affected.

which can spook shareholders and if that starts a sell-off... the stock price falls even farther. Secondary indexes and trading are impacted as well which although probably not directly connected to one particular company do have market-wide impact.

And....?

This does not affect the company's ability to produce goods or services.

"Manufacturing" or just assembly?
Unless I've missed something industries like automotive and tech may ramp up their *assembly* facilities (won't see the results for months or even years though) the individual parts are still going to come from all over the planet.

All too often a "Made in the USA" label only means it was *assembled* in the USA and in my opinion those are two completely different things.

From the mining to the refining and every process from beginning to the final assembly, Trump wants it all back in the USA.

And it makes sense.

If anything, Americans should realize that nations claiming to be "your greatest ally" have shown their true colours. In Canada, we immediately took a combative posture at the mention of tariffs. Our politicians have labelled the tariffs as an "attack" on our country. It has been revealed that we cannot be counted on in times of need. USA wants to be self-reliant, especially in areas that would be needed in a time of war.

 

[Flynn]

I don’t need to baton pass to make you lot remind you of who you are.

No, but you might need reminding what day and month it is, though.

 

[Garraty_47]

@The Prowler

1)
Since when have banks been conscientious rule followers?
Remember 2008/9? None of them were held accountable (thanks Obama) and were in fact given no incentives to clean up their act since they were bailed out to the tune of trillions pumped into the market to keep the parasites alive while regular folk got foreclosures etc.

2)
Projections = quarterly and/or annual profit and dividend estimates and/or reports

3)
A fucked up economy affects *everyone's* ability to produce goods and services as well as the ability to purchase them.

4)
*Wanting* something is all well and good. I *want* lots of things, many of which are impractical if not impossible. Rebuilding a 'Murican manufacturing system that includes (as much as possible) everything from raw materials to components to assembly is a very long-term project that most likely won't be allowed to see fruition. The current system is convoluted and inefficient by design and attempts to streamline processes *will* be met with resistance from the parasites gobbling up the profits generated by the status quo.

 

[Adam Hitler]

Stop posting utter fucking shameful drivel, you spent 4 years telling us all Biden had dementia as he handed over a viable economy to Trump.Trump has been in office for 80 days and has not only fucked up the world markets, but redefined just how fucking dumb the Yanks always were.

Do me a favour mate, don’t post replies to me, I have no fucking interest in what you have to say, about anything. And I’ll do you the same fucking favour.

I have never been disappointed by plebs like Reg, or Adam…but you…

Bravo, Blandy. You're a testament to the power of jewish propaganda... you don't even live in America, yet you suffer from acute TDS and could easily pass for a run of the mill blue state shitlib.

Its an amazing phenomenon to witness. This is how they managed to get people to fight Hitler in WW2. Thank fuck we have the internet these days to balance things out.

 

[The Prowler]

1)
Since when have banks been conscientious rule followers?
Remember 2008/9? None of them were held accountable (thanks Obama) and were in fact given no incentives to clean up their act since they were bailed out to the tune of trillions pumped into the market to keep the parasites alive while regular folk got foreclosures etc.

Canadian banks tend to loan money only when the risk of default is low. I guess if a bank is just looking for a reason to lend money, they could use stock price as a factor.

2)
Projections = quarterly and/or annual profit and dividend estimates and/or reports

So Income Statement projections. That is kind of a weird, backwards way to project profit. The stock price will be influenced by speculation made by people outside the company. One would hope that "insider" information is a better indication of future profitability, as they have greater insight into the deals that are being negotiated, etc..

i.e. The projection of future earnings should affect the stock price. Not the other way around.

3)
A fucked up economy affects *everyone's* ability to produce goods and services as well as the ability to purchase them.

Sure, but a stock selloff does not affect the day-to-day operations of a company. The company performance and projected performance should affect the stock price; the stock price should not affect the company's performance.

That said, I do think the economy will slow down just based on people's fears. And I actually think that is a good thing, as I think we live with too much excess and waste.

4)
*Wanting* something is all well and good. I *want* lots of things, many of which are impractical if not impossible. Rebuilding a 'Murican manufacturing system that includes (as much as possible) everything from raw materials to components to assembly is a very long-term project that most likely won't be allowed to see fruition. The current system is convoluted and inefficient by design and attempts to streamline processes *will* be met with resistance from the parasites gobbling up the profits generated by the status quo.

Yeah, it is a huge endeavour. We will have to wait and see how much will get done.

I can tell you that there is already talk in Canada of building our own manufacturing among some people. Just getting people to look for "Made in Canada" is a big step, because people are realizing how much of what we have is "Made in China".


Two part story: My wife and I were in Costco a few days ago. We walked past the BBQs. I was curious, so I checked where the Napoleon BBQs were made. Napoleon is a company founded and headquartered in Barrie, ON, Canada. I expected Canada since there is manufacturing in Barrie. They were Made in China.

I then checked the Weber BBQs. Weber, an American company that is well known in Canada to make excellent BBQs. Made in China.

We had a Weber BBQ when I was grwoing up. It lasted literally decades. My wife and I have a Made in Canada Napoleon BBQ that is over 20 years old and not a speck of rust and works great.

I told my buddy who I played pool with last night about the BBQs at Costco. He said "Fuck, we bought a Weber BBQ a few years ago and it is already rusting." We figure it is one of the Made in China models.


For a multitude of reasons, the more manufacturing that can be brought back to the USA (and Canada) the better.

 

[Garraty_47]

I'm a big proponent of locally sourced and decentralized systems. They're not only more resilient and accountable they also keep the profits generated within a community or region, which in turn benefits the economy of the community and region instead of funneling all the wealth to a relatively few people who will most likely hoard and offshore it or use it to buy legislation that increases their own wealth and control at the expense of everyone else (the status quo right now).

But that's not the model we, especially here in 'Murica, have established. Building a few factories isn't going to change the system and the system is the problem. There needs to be a fundamental change in our corporate culture (starting with how average citizens view it) and how much it dominates our political parties or constructing a few factories isn't going to accomplish a damned thing. It's putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

I don't know about Canada but here in 'Murica changes on that order of magnitude will require tossing out all of our corporate-captured politicians and for that to happen the very first thing that needs to be done is awakening the voters to the reality of the existing status quo. There have been some small strides in that direction in recent years but we still have a long, long, long way to go.

 

[Admin.]

Ma and Pa Kettle’s, Mars Rocket Yachts and Blacksmithing.

 

[Blandscape]

I know this confuses a lot of people.

Just imagine that you own a factory worth $50 million that produces a product. You also own the IP worth $20 million to manufacture that product. You employ 1000 people at this factory.

The building and its contents has a dollar value. The IP has a dollar value.

Something happens that causes shareholders to act irrationally and sell a bunch of stock. This drives the stock price down.

You still own the building worth $50 million. You still own the IP worth $20 million. You still employ the 1000 people.

The stock price does not affect the real value of a company in any meaningful way, unless they are actively issuing more shares to raise capital.




So compassionate people should be celebrating that Trump wants to bring manufacturing back to USA.




I am not sure. Probably a lot less that you think.

This is when you need to do the research if you want to make a point.




Yes, they will.


The wider picture economics tends to confuse most people. Prices can go up. That is fine. The money will be staying in the USA. All of the money being spent in the USA: From raw materials to manufacturing to distributors to retail stores to retail customers.....all money going from one entity in the USA to another entity in the USA. The wealth stays in the USA.

All of that nearly makes sense, so I am going to one up you like you actually deserve it. Manufacturing was lost to globalisation that America First first suggested in the 70’s. Cheaper labour costs, cheaper build cost, cheaper tariffs in a world economy. Destination China and Taiwan.

Thereafter Jobs and cities that were the backbone of American manufacturing did what? Disintegrate before your lies.

There never was any money in America, the dollar is now the weakest link in a chain of viable trading currencies, and the only reason you can borrow trillions that outstrip the GDP of 300million souls is because America rigged its own economy in a strategic worth that far outstrips its ability to repay its worth. A pyramid scheme.

All it takes is another currency to become more sexy while plastering RubyRidge lip gloss over their economy, tickling the septum of a few confused bankers, adding tariffs where none were ever needed, and watching intently like a pedo in a school car park for the youngest and most fertile currency that is actually based on profitability.

The dollar was always a busted flush, when confronted by the ignorance of an 11 time bankrupt!

 

[Blandscape]

Bravo, Blandy. You're a testament to the power of jewish propaganda... you don't even live in America, yet you suffer from acute TDS and could easily pass for a run of the mill blue state shitlib.

Its an amazing phenomenon to witness. This is how they managed to get people to fight Hitler in WW2. Thank fuck we have the internet these days to balance things out.

Do you have anything worth saying Scoundy that does not involve you looking up the right wing playbook?

 

[Adam Hitler]

^^Translation: Anything I dislike is right wing propaganda.

Embarrassing.

 

[Blandscape]

^^Translation: Anything I dislike is right wing propaganda.

Embarrassing.

You are not right wing. You are a racist, fascist, would you like me to explain the difference?

 

[The Cuntess]

Blandscape should move to California. All the fentanyl and woke politics would be his idea of heaven.

We don’t need him here!

 

[Kirk]

Blandscape is a street shitter

 

[Blandscape]

Blandscape is a street shitter

Better a street shitter than a post humper Poppet!

 

[Kirk]

Better a street shitter than a post humper Poppet!

Yawn

 

[Blandscape]

Yawn

Yawn while engaging your own posts, I concur. Yawn.

 

[Adam Hitler]

You are not right wing. You are a racist, fascist, would you like me to explain the difference?

Obviously not, unless I suffer from a sudden bout of insomnia later tonight...

 

[Blandscape]

Watching Poppy agree with his-self is like watching a wall sheep trader off himself from the 60th floor.

 

[Blandscape]

Obviously not, unless I suffer from a sudden bout of insomnia later tonight...

To have insomnia don’t you at least have to be awake most of the time?

 

[Adam Hitler]

To have insomnia don’t you at least have to be awake most of the time?

Did you just accuse me of being woke?!

 

[The Prowler]

I know this confuses a lot of people.

All of that nearly makes sense, so I am going to one up you like you actually deserve it. Manufacturing was lost to globalisation that America First first suggested in the 70’s. Cheaper labour costs, cheaper build cost, cheaper tariffs in a world economy. Destination China and Taiwan.

Thereafter Jobs and cities that were the backbone of American manufacturing did what? Disintegrate before your lies.

There never was any money in America, the dollar is now the weakest link in a chain of viable trading currencies, and the only reason you can borrow trillions that outstrip the GDP of 300million souls is because America rigged its own economy in a strategic worth that far outstrips its ability to repay its worth. A pyramid scheme.

All it takes is another currency to become more sexy while plastering RubyRidge lip gloss over their economy, tickling the septum of a few confused bankers, adding tariffs where none were ever needed, and watching intently like a pedo in a school car park for the youngest and most fertile currency that is actually based on profitability.

The dollar was always a busted flush, when confronted by the ignorance of an 11 time bankrupt!

Anyone wanting a laugh, just look at the exchange that got Blandy to this point.

He completely abandoned all his points because he has no argument and has just switched to ranting about something that is 99% opinion and therefore any disagreement can just be concluded as a difference of opinion.

Blandy, you need to focus on what was said if you want to argue/debate. Not just whatever random thoughts happen to wander into your dysfunctional brain at any given time.

Hahahahaha!!!!

 

[Blandscape]

Anyone wanting a laugh, just look at the exchange that got Blandy to this point.

He completely abandoned all his points because he has no argument and has just switched to ranting about something that is 99% opinion and therefore any disagreement can just be concluded as a difference of opinion.

Blandy, you need to focus on what was said if you want to argue/debate. Not just whatever random thoughts happen to wander into your dysfunctional brain at any given time.

Hahahahaha!!!!

Just remind us all Ahum Prowler where I went wrong!

And where I abandoned all thought. Be specific.

 

[Blandscape]

Can you be specific, or just muster the hope that I cannot make you look more dumb, than even you can?

Keep up, I am quite sure I can.

 

[Blandscape]

world free trade for dummies, as posted by Musk on X.

 

[The Cuntess]

Why did you run from Prowler

 

[Blandscape]

He went to Scotland to make that vid.

 

[Blandscape]

Why did you run from Prowler

Thank you for your contribution to my thread Flea, as usual I will try to appreciate it.

 

[The Cuntess]

Thank you for your contribution to my thread Flea, as usual I will try to appreciate it.

No answer eh? Thought so

 

[Blandscape]

I’m confused, just like you are all of the time Flea, I am here, where is Jim?

 

[Blandscape]

Are you getting your time zones mixed up again. Your reality can only be elucidated once ICE picks you up on the street for being browner than Reg, and ships you to El Salvador.