What a bunch of clueless fuckwits.
Whites were slaves too. Yes they got bad treatment too.
Slaves were in the North and South.
Slaves that went to the North, found ill treatment, and kept going to Canada, or went back South.
Im here all day.
I don't think that official slavery existed for Whites in the antebellum South, Blazor.
Nor was their official slave trade for them.
Plus I believe even the poorest Whites culd vote in Presidential elections back then.
Just men tho as women didn't have the right to vote.
If you make reference to White Slavery in the South, perhaps it was prevelant in the prison system there.
I think there were huge prison colonies i places like Georgia for example
And these housed many poor Whites.
These predated the existence of hte United States as a country, and were introduced by the British, much like they had done in Australia.
Before the first person, a black man, claimed his slaves (white and black) were his property, it was indentured servitude, for whites and blacks. Then becoming free after so many years. Only those who had committed crimes had to do life long slavery. So thank a black man next time you hear of slavery.
Whites who did not own land could not vote back then, if Im not mistaken. That law was changed though.
...so the antebellum South was more like an Athenian democracy in Ancient Greece?
Where they had a patrician land owning class that could vote, but plebian or working class could not?
Early on yes. Here is a good article on the matter......
Yes, some of our founders didn't want the white male riff-raff voting, never mind blacks or women.
After reading that article, I can see why. Land owners were the tax payers. Back then, if you were not a tax payer, you really didnt bother with politics. Only informed people (tax payers) were able to vote.
It's undemocratic. If you pay rent, you contribute to your community. If you work in the community, you contribute to it. Why deny the voice of all citizens?
This is an argument I've heard advanced.
That the purpose of the Electoral College was to favor land owners, particularly large ones.
So this arrangment helped to reinforce the institution of slavery.
Because of course, who owned them? The slave owneers.
To what the USA has today is that a typical voter in Los Angeles, has much smaller clout per vote than one in a rural state with few people.
That was very much its original purpose. And it explains why the alt-rght are so in love with the electoral college. They are clinging to one of the last vestiges of slavery.
Clearly you dont understand what the electoral college IS. We are a Republic, where every individuals vote matters.
YOU want it gone because you've been sold an ideology that tells you the majority is the people. Its NOT. It's a tyranny.
A full blown majority rule democracy SQUASHES the voices of the marginalized. You know....the little guy?
Here is the best comparison.
Democracy is the will of the majority. You know what else is the will of the majority? GANG RAPE.
When you speak about the majority, are you speaking about the US public that voted fatso out?
The people that played themselves? Who voted in Biden and aren't even watching what happens?
No. I'm talking about what would happen if we had no electoral college at all.
Then your hero would have been voted out the first time around.
Well, right. Because the whole country would be ran by CA and NY.
No one else would have a voice in anything federal. In a Constitutional Republic, the electrical college allows everyone to have a say in their own interests. Although in states.. I know MI gets ran by cities that are heavily populated and keep voting for the democrat.
No elected official is anyone "hero" but they are our representatives.
Still Dovey, what seems to be wrong with the Electoral College is that it's a winner take all system which doesn't reflect the popular vote within the States that determine themselves. i.e. - Michigan - if a Democrat wins by .005% of the vote, he gets all the EV's. That doesn't seem very fair. Even if the Republicans get 49.9995%, but not 50, they git nothin'!
That's the shits. They should split them up according to vote.
Also Georgia, the Democrats won by 12,000 votes - they get the whole state.
Like Michigan another close state which should be split by popular vote.
Anyways, I think it was an early US President who was uncomfortable with that winner take all system and thought it would lead to problems down the road.
Joe its NOT supposed to reflect the popular vote. That's the point. We want EVERYONES voice heard.
The popular vote is just the tyranny of the majority. We are a country whose values are rooted in individual liberties and rights. We are not a collective.
But the people living in states such as yours could demand that the Electoral votes be split up according to % of votes received.
It's absurd that Republicans who received 49% of the vote in Michigan last time didn't get any EV's and were shut out of the tally.
Actually I saw this video on YouTube from what appears to be a pro-Democrat & even he indicated that if the EV's were split in each state according to that formula, the last election would have been a lot closer & Trump would have received 30 more electoral votes.
The electoral college as it stands now is anti-democratic. It's fascistic, IMO. Both parties can rig elections at this point. The RNC does every bit as much rearranging of the deck chairs as the DNC does.