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Cassidy Hutchinson's Jan. 6 bombshells
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, delivered to date in the Jan. 6 hearings, tying former President Trump directly to the attack and providing potential evidence if criminal charges are pursued.
The big picture: She described multiple incidents of Trump's rage, including reportedly trying to seize the wheel and lunge at his former security detail when the Secret Service would not drive him to join protesters at the Capitol.
At the Ellipse on Jan. 6
Trump was aware his supporters had weapons and wore body armor when he directed them to march to the Capitol following his "Save America" rally, Hutchinson said.
National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien called Meadows on Jan. 4 to warn him about potential violence on the Hill on Jan. 6, Hutchinson testified.
White House counsel worried about criminal activity
The White House counsel repeatedly warned the president and his team he was concerned they would be charged with "every crime imaginable" if they directed Trump's supporters to the Capitol following his Jan. 6 speech on the Ellipse.
On Jan. 6, immediately after rioters breached the Capitol, Hutchinson said Cipollone marched to Meadows' office and told him: "'We need to go down and see the president now.'"
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reached out to Meadows following the Capitol attack and informed him that Trump's cabinet secretaries were discussing invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office.
Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) shared statements from witnesses suggesting that some within Trump's inner circle tried to
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, delivered to date in the Jan. 6 hearings, tying former President Trump directly to the attack and providing potential evidence if criminal charges are pursued.
The big picture: She described multiple incidents of Trump's rage, including reportedly trying to seize the wheel and lunge at his former security detail when the Secret Service would not drive him to join protesters at the Capitol.
- She detailed Trump's unwillingness to call off the crowds despite knowing some were armed and violence was expected.
- She also testified that Meadows sought a pardon after the attack on the Capitol and that then-White House Counsel Pat Cipollone warned that Trump and aides could be charged with "every crime imaginable" if Trump joined protesters at the Capitol.
At the Ellipse on Jan. 6
Trump was aware his supporters had weapons and wore body armor when he directed them to march to the Capitol following his "Save America" rally, Hutchinson said.
- "I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of 'I don't f---ing care that they have weapons. . Take the mags [metal detectors] away. Let the people in, they can march to the Capitol from here,'" she testified.
- "The president said something to the effect of, I'm the f---ing president, take me up to the Capitol now," Hutchinson said. When Engel refused, telling him it wasn't safe, Trump "reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel," Hutchinson said.
- "Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel, and when Mr. Ornato had recounted the story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles," Hutchinson said.
- Engel was in the room and didn't refute Ornato's version of the story, Hutchinson added.
- Hutchinson testified that on the evening of Jan. 2, 2021, following a meeting with Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani and Meadows, Giuliani asked her: “Cass, are you excited for the 6th? It’s going to be a great day.”
- He then told her: "we're going to the Capitol" on Jan. 6.
- "It's going to be great. The president is going to be there. He's going to look powerful. He's going to be with the members. He's going to be with the senators," he said
- Hutchinson said she later asked Meadows about what Giuliani meant, and Meadows told her: "."
National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien called Meadows on Jan. 4 to warn him about potential violence on the Hill on Jan. 6, Hutchinson testified.
- Meadows later met with Ornato, who mentioned the potential of protestors bringing weapons to the “Save America” rally on the Ellipse, and later, to the Capitol.
- Ornato mentioned knives, guns, tear gas and spears, among other weapons, Hutchinson said.
White House counsel worried about criminal activity
The White House counsel repeatedly warned the president and his team he was concerned they would be charged with "every crime imaginable" if they directed Trump's supporters to the Capitol following his Jan. 6 speech on the Ellipse.
- "On January 3rd, Mr. Cipollone approached me knowing that [Meadows] had raised the prospect of going up to the Capitol on January 6th," Hutchinson testified.
- Cipollone told her, per Hutchinson: "We need to make sure that this doesn't happen. This would be legally a terrible idea for us."
- On Jan. 6, before Trump and his top aides — including Hutchinson — walked out to the Ellipse for his speech, Cipollone "said something to the effect of 'Please make sure we don't go up to the Capitol. Keep in touch with me. We're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen,'" Hutchinson recounted.
On Jan. 6, immediately after rioters breached the Capitol, Hutchinson said Cipollone marched to Meadows' office and told him: "'We need to go down and see the president now.'"
- "And Mark looked up at him and said, 'He doesn't want to do anything, Pat,'" Hutchinson recounted.
- According to Hutchinson, Meadows replied: “You heard [Trump], . He doesn’t think they're doing anything wrong.”
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reached out to Meadows following the Capitol attack and informed him that Trump's cabinet secretaries were discussing invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office.
- "From what I understand, it was more of this is what I'm hearing, I want you to be aware of it," Hutchinson said.
- Hutchinson also testified that both related to Jan. 6.
Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) shared statements from witnesses suggesting that some within Trump's inner circle tried to