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Lotus claimed early that if a "fetus"(in this context....a human being in the fetal stage of human development) is a human, than so is a sperm.

Which is an extremely ignorant, false and utterly stupid claim. There is really no excuse for this. It is a shame a teacher.....one who wants to claim she is smarter than anyone who votes differently than her, and that she is open minded....would make such a false and idiotic claim.

This is the definition of partisan hackery. When you reject facts to cling to bad beliefs.

The scientific fact is that human life begins when gametes (sperm and egg) fuse. That is the start of a human being

"At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun."

[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception)."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed. ... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."

[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

"Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."

[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology. 7th edition. Philadelphia: Saunders 2003, p. 2.]


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"At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun."

[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

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"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception)."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

What is an Embryo?
Though produced in a new and bizarre manner, a cloned embryo grows and develops as a living organism in the same way as one produced by fertilization. Writes Professor Lee Silver of Princeton University: "Cloned children will be full-fledged human beings, indistinguishable in biological terms from all other members of the species. Thus, the notion of a soulless clone has no basis in reality" (Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World, New York: Avon Books 1997, p. 107). To claim that an embryo produced by cloning is not really an embryo, in order to justify destructive experimentation on it, is arbitrary and "self-serving" (Embryologist Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, in American Medical News, Feb. 23, 1998, p. 32).

Some proponents of destructive embryo research try to deny moral status to all early human embryos. They have coined the term "pre-embryo" to describe human embryos in the first two weeks of development, seeking to justify destructive experimentation during this early stage. However, the term and concept of "pre-embryo" has never been accepted by Congress, the National Institutes of Health's Human Embryo Research Panel, or the National Bioethics Advisory Commission, and is rejected by contemporary textbooks on embryology.

The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:
"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."

[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]

"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."

[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]

"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."

[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."

[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."

[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."

[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]

"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."

[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

"Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."

[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology. 7th edition. Philadelphia: Saunders 2003, p. 2.]

"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."

[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."

[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."

[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....

"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....

"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.

"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"

[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]

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So why dont left wing science buffs explain exactly WHERE THE FUCK you get this idiotic claim that if a developing human being in utero is a human....a fucking unfertilized sperm cell is?

OR better yet why dont you guys admit you dont actually care what the science says and you just use "science" any way you can to advance your partisan arguments?
 
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Lame bud is far too stupid to get any of that

It's all cited facts.

It might be hard for them because it's not a left wing tweet or a left wing article.

They always come back with this Wired article which is an opinion peice that makes the personhood argument. So it's not even scientific, its philosophical.

They claim to be all about science. But really they are all about their selfish politics and will disregard or malign any science that contradicts them.

They are a cult. Normal people consider facts and adjust accordingly. They just spew hate and degrade human life.
 

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Lame bud and the other leftist rodents in the clown car will say

“two menny werdz make brane hert “
 
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Lame bud and the other leftist rodents in the clown car will say

“two menny werdz make brane hert “

Nothing is stopping me from posting the aftermath of each abortion procedure here on BF....Is there?

An ability I didnt have on SG.
 
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I thought you guys loved science?

The real deal is pretty boring, yeah? Unless you are geeky and into it like me.

Basic A & P 1 and 2 would probably kill H. My micro/disease process flash cards would probably kill him.
 
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Lame bud and the other leftist rodents in the clown car will say

“two menny werdz make brane hert “

Actual cited science and the process of it is pretty boring for most people.

They like it spicey with politics.....partisan pseudoscience that they THINK makes them look so educated and sophisticated.

When they say things like "a fetus isnt a baby" you know they are uneducated on the topic. Mixing a medical classification with a term of endearment.

There is no classification "baby". The word is "infant".

I could call YOU "baby". I can call my grown adult daughter my "baby". It doesn't mean anything scientifically.

What we call "baby" is a neonate/infant/toddler. Those are the classifications. And its valid to call your little fetal human your "baby". Its every bit as valid.

I lost a BABY to a miscarriage. Countless women lost their BABY to miscarriage and still birth. Who the fuck do these anti science partisan fuckwits think they are? Telling women they didnt lose their baby?

A human being in the zygote/embryonic/fetal stages of human development is a living human being. That will never ever change to accommodate the harmful and cartoonish fantasies of abortion supporters.

If you cant accept the science and use facts to defend your position? Your position is bad. You are no different from the nazis or dred scott slave supporters who deemed certain groups of human beings "non persons".

Its fucking garbage.

These people wont even fight for basic rights... or for the weakest of us.....they can fuck right off with their lies.

I'm way more than willing to talk about it. I doubt they are willing to talk about it.
 

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Look at this.

The incredible moment a sperm cell reaches out and grabs the finger of a surgeon

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According to pseudoscience partisans here, this is not a human being. Because their political cult says so.

The pro/bro aborts here are fine with this little one being ripped to pieces and tossed in a pan to later be thrown away like garbage.

But they care about humans.....honest!
 
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You know what amazes me the most about this?

You would think with all the medical and scientific advancements since those attorneys exploited a pregnant homeless teenager (Norma McCorvey) to get 9 Republican judges to rule Roe.....they would look at this issue much more closely.

Since then we have learned SO much about human life in the womb. We have made incredible advancements where surgery can be performed on a human being in the womb.

But these people have only grown colder and more dismissive. They've actually gone MORE radical on it, arguing in some cases even for infanticide.

They do all kinds of angry mental gymnastics to justify it.....completely disregarding any information that doesnt suit them.

I dont understand how anyone can be this way. I really dont. They are more likely to fight AGAINST medical and scientific advancements that show their abortion narrative to be wrong than they are to adjust their view based on the facts and advancements.

Just.....WHY? Why do this? I mean it's just hate. They just hate humans. They only pretend to care when they think its helps their partisan politics.

They would rather degrade human life, push against progress, ignore all the abuse and coercion, and trivialize every woman grieving the loss of her baby....whether by miscarriage or abortion....than just admit the facts and deal directly with them.

They want to stay dark age level. I don't know how they convinced themselves this fight is a good one. Its brutal, cruel, and seriously damages people forever. It rips the value off human life and takes away our intrinsic value and reduces us to just someone else's "choice".

They also claim the world is over populated and assisted suicide should be allowed and normal. So when I call them a death cult....these are the reasons why.

It's impossible to take any of their BS "humanitarian" positions or preaching seriously.

When you need to lie and rationalize so much to support something....that should tell you something.
 
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I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
 

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This post is a waste of time and didn't feel like wasting a day reading what I already know!

The only thing that matters is that a penis knows which hole to go in - - - - -
 
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I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

Joe, the pro life community has thousands of resources. Womens clinics. Crisis resource centers. Housing. Rides. Baby showers. Child care. Money for classes. Birth control. I shit you not.....anything a mom could need, they all work together to do. I have helped many times myself.

They'll even get adoption costs covered.

Pro lifers even went to border and brought trucks loads of supplies for families at the border.

If they were not forced to pay taxes they would have MORE money and resources to help. The government wastes more of our money than they ever use towards helping. The government is more likely to use taxes to cover abortions than they would be to help.

If people were going out and brutally killing homeless people, and people like me stood up and fight and oppose that....am I OBLIGATED to pay for the homeless people?

Do you see how this degrades human beings into products that can be disposed of?

The left is always yelling that people are more valuable than money.....but they NEVER walk the walk.

I have personally sacrificed to help a total stranger. I dont openly discuss things like that because it's against my spiritual beliefs.....but I'm saying it now because this whole "if we aren't going to fund them, we can kill them" mentality.

Please try to come around on this one. Like think about it......hard....according to the facts....what legal abortion is doing. The brutalities on the weakest humans, to the heart our society.
 
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This post is a waste of time and didn't feel like wasting a day reading what I already know!

The only thing that matters is that a penis knows which hole to go in - - - - -

Too many people DONT know.

Or at least pretend to not know.
 

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I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
I suppose it would be sad if I saw a video of some injun beating you to death in the street but I have to be honest josephine, I'd feel worse for that baby in Dove's post being ripped apart that seeing your quivering brain ejected from your skull onto the pavement.
 

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This post is a waste of time and didn't feel like wasting a day reading what I already know!

The only thing that matters is that a penis knows which hole to go in - - - - -
ask aidsman and he'll tell ya, "right in muh shitter!"
 

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I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
I suppose it would be sad if I saw a video of some injun beating you to death in the street but I have to be honest josephine, I'd feel worse for that baby in Dove's post being ripped apart that seeing your quivering brain ejected from your skull onto the pavement.

If you want to save every baby, then I hopt ehey double your taxes, Lokmeer.
I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
I suppose it would be sad if I saw a video of some injun beating you to death in the street but I have to be honest josephine, I'd feel worse for that baby in Dove's post being ripped apart that seeing your quivering brain ejected from your skull onto the pavement.

...this is the 'Real Canada', eh Lokmeer?!




Go up there and visit, I dare ya!

Them Natives'll do to ya what they did Queen Victoria's statue, eh Lokmeer!?


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Anyways Winnipeg is lot close ta Illinois than where I live, Bud!

You ouhta take a trip there and wlak the streets at midnight.

See iif ya ki make it out alive, Paleface!
 

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I thought you guys loved science?

The real deal is pretty boring, yeah? Unless you are geeky and into it like me.

Basic A & P 1 and 2 would probably kill H. My micro/disease process flash cards would probably kill him.

I do believe and trust science. Short fat dwarfs, not so much. You understand, right?
 

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I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
I suppose it would be sad if I saw a video of some injun beating you to death in the street but I have to be honest josephine, I'd feel worse for that baby in Dove's post being ripped apart that seeing your quivering brain ejected from your skull onto the pavement.

If you want to save every baby, then I hopt ehey double your taxes, Lokmeer.
I suppose abortion is sad, but the pro life crowd should also put their money where their mouths are and be prepared to pay higher taxes on things like social welfare, maternity leave, free medical care and state subsidized daycare.

They can't demand that women keep their babies and then simultaneously demand lower taxes and cutbacks in the social welfare state.

It takes a lot of money to raise a kid these days.

Even a child on welfare - the state will be shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they reach the age of 18.

A friend of mine knocked up a woman, and he shells out practically all of his paycheck to support the child now.

And this is despite the woman being on welfare and getting thousands for child assistance from the government.

So she gets 2 income streams and still finds it difficult to support just one child.

And to think all it took for him to prevent what he got himself into is a 50 cent condom or one free from Family Planning services
I suppose it would be sad if I saw a video of some injun beating you to death in the street but I have to be honest josephine, I'd feel worse for that baby in Dove's post being ripped apart that seeing your quivering brain ejected from your skull onto the pavement.

...this is the 'Real Canada', eh Lokmeer?!




Go up there and visit, I dare ya!

Them Natives'll do to ya what they did Queen Victoria's statue, eh Lokmeer!?


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Anyways Winnipeg is lot close ta Illinois than where I live, Bud!

You ouhta take a trip there and wlak the streets at midnight.

See iif ya ki make it out alive, Paleface!

IF I were going there, I'd have my AR's and there'd be a buncha dead injuns. I'd shoot them fuckers like feral hogs. As it stands, you cucks wont do jack shit. josephine, pussies like you run the world right now. People like me? We're all sitting back amassing the hardware to fend for ourselves when the SHTF.

These people act like barbarians ITFP because of pussies like YOU!!! Its fitting that when things spiral, YOU will be the first to die. Dont come crying to me for an AR or a Desert Eagle josephine....not unless you have your weight in gold to buy it!
 

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I concede on behalf of all liberals and moderates that a fetus and a sperm are not the same. I would like to see the quote where anyone says that they're the same. Do you have a link Dove?
 
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I concede on behalf of all liberals and moderates that a fetus and a sperm are not the same. I would like to see the quote where anyone says that they're the same. Do you have a link Dove?

Lotus said it.

I'll go find it
 

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And Laissez-Faire Barbie wants to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. News Flash Barbie that is not laissez faire. You don't want an abortion, don't have one. See how easy that is?
 

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And Laissez-Faire Barbie wants to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. News Flash Barbie that is not laissez faire. You don't want an abortion, don't have one. See how easy that is?
Maybe this will help....when you put another dudes dick in your ass, that doesnt become YOUR dick.
 

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And Laissez-Faire Barbie wants to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. News Flash Barbie that is not laissez faire. You don't want an abortion, don't have one. See how easy that is?

And she believes in her tiny brain that I'm controlling. lmfao
 

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Lotus doesn't seem to be informed on much of anything. Thus why she is a self described communist.