Vaccine is bad juju

[Admin.]

 

[Blazor]

How're you nitwits going to take back America, when you're dropping like flies?

Cue the snivelling cries over Occupy Democrats in 3,2,1..

Dont believe anything Neil says, he thinks the world is round.

 

[Lokmar]

Mexcrements? No vax needed!!!!!!

 

[The Prowler]

South Korea is heavily vaxxed.

Going through their worst wave of deaths so far...

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[Blazor]

 

[Admin.]

Cool story, citations please.

 

[Admin.]

Like Ermagerd!

 

[Lokmar]

Like Ermagerd!

When I see "omicron", I think "Xi".

 

[Oerdin]

South Korea is heavily vaxxed.

Going through their worst wave of deaths so far...

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Early on the fools said what a wonderful job South Korea had done but the reality is there is no containing it, never was a chance, after the Chinese Communist Party hide their lab leak for four months and lied about human to human spread for another two months... Well, any chance of co training it was lost. Now, it is going to be a seasonal infection forever.

The sooner people understand that the better off we will be.

 

[Oerdin]

This is rather bad news. Omicron is sufficiently different from other varients that natural immunity from previous varients does not completely protect people. There is some protection but reinfection does happen. The only good news is symptoms from omicron seem to be mild.

 

[Oerdin]

I need to watch this a few more times before I feel confident I understand it though this doctor is saying aspiration is needed before injection to help prevent many of the side effects. The rise in heart attacks and strokes really worries me. It has supposedly gone from 11% chance in a five year period up to 25% in a five year period.

 

[Oerdin]

Also good information about the use of ivermectin in Japan, India, and some African countries.

 

[Joe]

That new Merck pill may not be very safe.

 

[Oerdin]

I haven't seen anything on that. What have you seen?

 

[Lokmar]

Sorry aidsman faggit, horse paste is STILL your best chance for lessening the effects of covid. No doubt a faggit like YUO will insist on licking it straight off the horses bung!

 

[Blazor]

Been trying to tell y'all....



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[Joe]

Been trying to tell y'all....

EXPLOSIVE! GOV .JIM JUSTICE - ''SOME DOUBLE JABBED MIGHT AS WELL COCK A GUN AT THEIR HEAD...''

...well Blazor I got the 2nd jab & I'm still OK... I think.

But that proposed 3rd jab seems problematic.

There have been more than a few cases where a person got the 3rd & they're dead.

Even 1/2 of the medical/scientific community has concerns about it & over vaxxING. Just like any medicine...overdosing can kill a person.

That's just common sense. If it applies to drugs/other medicines, it applies to vaccines too.

If the scientific community initially stated that 2 jabs was enough, then 2 is enough. Companies pushing a 3rd just wanna make more money that's all..

I'm not gonna get that 3rd jab.

2 was bad enough.

 

[Joe]

I haven't seen anything on that. What have you seen?

Here's a Short video from Tulsi Gabbard:



She's no Doctor tho. she was a paramedic in Iraq when she served in the military.

Don't know if she's right but it's still a very experimental drug with insufficient data to confirm if it's safe or not. You have to be cautious about these new drugs.

Ideally they should be tested for 5 years before they're released to the public.

 

[Lokmar]

the jab doesnt work.

 

[Lokmar]

Fukin jab is deadly!!!

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[Oerdin]

WRT reinfection of omicron and natural immunity. A decent question has been raised which more research will be needed to answer. The complicating issue is the HIV infection rate in several countries in Southern Africa (not just South Africa) is as high as 30% of the population. That could be complicating the reinfection numbers and that factor wouldn't apply in other regions or countries.

 

[Oerdin]

What is the difference between Rottenhouse shots and the vax?

Rittenhouse shots actually work. They cure pedophilia each time.

 

[Oerdin]

Remember this when the lunatic left tries to push lock downs and other coercive measures again.

 

[Dove]

It is true. Reports are that Unicorn is especially mild in its symptoms. So much so it is believed that it has been circulating for a while in Africa but no one detected it.

What a stupid, irresponsible and horrid decision that will needlessly harm people. "Elective" doesnt mean not nessesary.

This is a great example why government shouldnt be involved in healthcare or medical anything.

We don't pay for healthcare where I live Dovey.

It's freE. No monthly premiums.

Just pay for medications & extra stuff like physiotherapy.

A woman like yourself wouldn'thave to pay for mammograms, getting their babies delivered at a hospital, Ultrasound etc.

Universal healthcare...it works Dovey.

You do pay for it, though.

And I've seen how the healthcare system in Canada can be a nightmare. I wouldnt call waiting for 2 years to get a cancer diagnosis works. And yes that has happened to people.

We have people who come here to Michigan to get dialysis because they would be waiting for months. For DIALYSIS. And cancer patients come for timely chemo.

Trick is ta try ta stay healthy for as long as possible, Dovey.

If a person's gonna git sick then do it in their 80s when it was gonna happen anyways. Then do themselves and everybody else a favor and die abruptly so they don't overburden the system.

The stay at the local hospital should never be confused with one at the Hilton.

One trouble with the system here is there's too many treating it like that. Because it's free Too much abuse. Too many street bums and hobos who overstay their welcome and are overusing and abusing the system.

But if they had to pay for it they wouldn't abuse it like some do.

Some respects I agree with the US system. Abusers either get kicked off their plans or are charged for overuse. Americans set up their system so it forces them to act more responsibly. Cuz if every second spent in a hospital costs the patient money he's not gonna fool around with it so much

There should be a limit here to prevent abusers from overusing the system and the number of free visits and hospital stays are allowed per year in Canada.

That's universal health care, Joe.

Who decides who is "abusing" it? And what happens when they decide wrong?

It's best leaving the medical feild separate from GovCo. Bringing costs down can happen but no one in charge wants to.

People cant really control certain medical issues. Others can be avoided or managed by healthy choices and regular check ups and compliance with medical care plans.....but you cant force people to do that either.

I've seen some street people here who use the hospital as a substitute for a hotel room. They come to emergency at 2 in the morning claiming some fake problem. And then they stay the whole night clogging up the emergency room.

But Instead of allowing them into emergency the hospital should just so say no but send paramedics onto the street to do treatments for them instead. They know who these people are and they are usually repeat offenders.

Isn't that what the US does? If the customer can't pay they can't come into the hospital? Or these private health providers limit how many times a patient can see the doctor per year.

There's too much abuse in a free system. Has to be a balance an American system and an absolutely free one.

Even universal healthcare has its limits and has to be rationed. Those abusers drag down the system and help cause those waiting times in Canada you've often referred to.

Because all the resources used to accommodate them could be used to help the people who need it most.

They'll finally realize that one day when the system becomes to overburdened to accommodate everyone who is abusing it.

Usually frequent flyers like that are drug seeking. This is a pretty bad problem in Flint but not so much in Pontiac....oddly.

You'll get a lot of vagrants who try to get admitted. People who want drugs. There was one guy I saw who managed to fake a heart issue convincing enough to get a central line placed. He was a local junky and his veins were TRASHED. And he couldnt get a vein on his own easily.

So he ended up taking off after the line was placed. Took off with the hospital gown on...ass hanging out. Took his clothes but left his shoes.

We just stood there watching him go....I mean you cant chased them and restrain them unless there are orders for that.

The doctor shook his head and said "he will be back with MRSA in his heart". I'd be surprised to hear he is still alive.

We definately need more resources for mentally ill homeless people.

If the M4A people were willing to work with others and comprise and find something that's doable without the mess M4A would cause.....we could get somewhere. But that isnt going to happen. It's their way or you are evil and want people to die. There is no rational convo to be had and they wont even discuss the downfalls.

 

[Dove]

Remember this when the lunatic left tries to push lock downs and other coercive measures again.

Does the first one get a prize? Lol

It's the weakest variant yet. It's a good thing. Viruses do not mutate to be stronger... they get weaker but more infectious.

Pretty soon covid 19 will be a nasty head cold.

 

[Dove]

How're you nitwits going to take back America, when you're dropping like flies?

Cue the snivelling cries over Occupy Democrats in 3,2,1..

Dont believe anything Neil says, he thinks the world is round.

Admin is such a dumb ass that he believes anyone and everyone who doesnt want the vaccine is "teh right".

His mentality is "do everything the dem/prog narrative says....parrot everything it says....or you are "teh right"". That's how he judges people. He called Kyle "teh right".

The divisive propaganda has been so effective for him that he just sees either his "team" or "teh right". That's how he thinks.

I happen to know that there are many people who are not dems/progs who are vaccinated. I'm vaccinated. Od is vaccinated. Most people I know are vaccinated.

And there are many democrats who are NOT vaccinated and I know the progressive college students who work at the smoke shop are not vaccinated. They are uncomfortable with it. But they dont tell people because......they dont want anyone to think they are republican

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Joe]

Canadian Vaccine clinical trials indicate safe & effective results against all COVID variants:

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...better & safer alternative to Moderna & Pfizer?

‘Really good’ Medicago COVID-19 vaccine data bolster hopes for a Canadian shot
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A volunteer participates in Medicago’s Phase I clinical trial for its COVID-19 vaccine candidate in Quebec City.

A vaccine developed by Quebec-based Medicago Inc. has shown greater than 70-per-cent efficacy against a range of COVID-19 variants in a large-scale clinical trial, the company said on Tuesday.

The outcome bolsters Medicago’s bid to become the first COVID-19 vaccine maker in Canada to get a product to market for use either as a booster shot or as a first vaccine in places that remain critically unprotected from the disease.

“When we got the results the first reaction was, thank God it works. We were absolutely delighted,” said Brian Ward, Medicago’s medical officer and a professor of medicine and microbiology at McGill University in Montreal. Earlier-stage trials with hundreds of participants suggested the vaccine was safe and that it generated an immune response, but it had to be tested with a much larger group of people in order for researchers to measure its efficacy.

Dr. Ward said the results should not be compared directly with figures released last year by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna during the clinical trials for their vaccines. Both showed greater than 90-per-cent efficacy. But those trials were conducted before COVID-19 variants of concern were widespread. The variants have presented vaccines with a somewhat different pathogen than the one they were designed to fight.

“In the variant world, 70 to 75 per cent is a really good vaccine,” Dr. Ward said.

The randomized controlled Phase 3 trial, which got under way in March, involved 24,000 participants. More than two-thirds were located in Brazil and Argentina, and the rest were in the U.S., Mexico, Canada and Britain. Half of those who participated received the Medicago vaccine in two doses separated by 21 days. The other half received a placebo.

Overall, the results showed the vaccine to have 71-per-cent efficacy against all variants that were circulating in the study populations at the time. Its efficacy against the Delta variant, which is currently dominant in Canada, was 75.3 per cent. The efficacy was 88.6 per cent against the Gamma variant. The Omicron variant, now a focus of global concern, had not yet made its appearance when the trial was under way. Information about the vaccine’s efficacy against the new variant may emerge as data continue to accumulate.

As with other vaccine trials, the results of this one come with a level of statistical uncertainty. The real efficacy numbers could be as much as 12 per cent higher or lower in some cases. And the trial did not seek to recruit elderly individuals, because of the growing certainty that high-risk groups would have access to approved vaccines while the research was under way. Among those who participated, only three severe cases of COVID-19 emerged, and all of them were in the placebo group.

Participants reported mild to moderate side effects, including soreness, particularly after receiving second doses. The researchers observed no more serious adverse outcomes in the participants who received the vaccine than they did in the placebo group.

Health Canada has been reviewing Medicago’s data throughout its clinical trials. The company will soon be handing over its final data to the regulator, Dr. Ward said.

 

[Oerdin]

70% is pretty low effectiveness.

 

[Joe]

70% is pretty low effectiveness.

.....but that's across all variants.

So the Pfizer Moderna claims of 90%+ effectiveNess is a bit misleading because that was for the first variant. Against all others they were quite a bit lower. However You can check the statistics to confirm it.

Main thing is the adverse effects were considerably lower because it doesnt inject recipients with a weakened virus just a replica, nor mRNA which many claim is a major cause of adverse reactions & even death which may have resulted from the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines.