What is happening to men in the Western world?

[Oerdin]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

 

[Murdy]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Poisonous Feminists who are not at all in favor of women's rights but rather in favor of their own hatred towards men dropping dead in mass would be an even better start

 

[Murdy]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

That is a crock of shit. I’m Gen X and my children were taught core family values with an emphasis on education.

 

[Dove]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

What women are sold as "empowerment"? Its all shit that degrades us as women and rewards men.

We are expected....even by other women.....to be LIKE men. Not just equal in value. Equal as in we are not different.

And family life and domestic life is painted as some pathetic servitude. It's so ass backwards.

 

[Dove]

Poisonous Feminists who are not at all in favor of women's rights but rather in favor of their own hatred towards men dropping dead in mass would be an even better start

Their own hatred towards women. They want to BE men.

 

[Oerdin]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

That is a crock of shit. I’m Gen X and my children were taught core family values with an emphasis on education.

I am gen X as well (last year of gen X) but look at Millennials or Zoomers and you'll see what I said is widely true.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Look at the role models these days

little boys - lil nas

little girls - Cardi B


China doesn't even need a military anymore when degenerates like that steering the next generation

 

[Murdy]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

That is a crock of shit. I’m Gen X and my children were taught core family values with an emphasis on education.

I am gen X as well (last year of gen X) but look at Millennials or Zoomers and you'll see what I said is widely true.

Your post was about the third wave of feminism… which is people born in 60s and 70s

Millenials aren’t having children because they can’t afford student loans AND mortgages.

My daughter is a millennial. She didn’t have her first boyfriend until she was over 20. All of her friends are the same.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I do think more people need to understand that although women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women need to think a bit more long term then men due to basic biology, I.E. vetting a guy who will stick around and be committed, where modern culture especially third wave feminism seems to teach young girls to be second rate men instead of first rate women. For you men modern culture seems set up to encourage them into having an extended childhood in the 20's and even into their 30's when they should be taking on responsibility and building a career or small business.

That is a crock of shit. I’m Gen X and my children were taught core family values with an emphasis on education.

I am gen X as well (last year of gen X) but look at Millennials or Zoomers and you'll see what I said is widely true.

Your post was about the third wave of feminism… which is people born in 60s and 70s

Millenials aren’t having children because they can’t afford student loans AND mortgages.

My daughter is a millennial. She didn’t have her first boyfriend until she was over 20. All of her friends are the same.

What is minimum wage out in California ?

 

[Oerdin]

$15 at least in this county.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

$15 at least in this county.

And as Oak herself puts it A million dollar home is considered a paltry dwelling. Correct?

 

[Lily]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

 

[Lily]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

They have nerve talking about me when I don't have minor children all the while egging on that poor excuse for a mother. My children never had a junkie mom, period.

 

[deport_liberals]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

They have nerve talking about me when I don't have minor children all the while egging on that poor excuse for a mother. My children never had a junkie mom, period.

I was talking about 0ak, not you.

 

[Lily]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

 

[Lily]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

They have nerve talking about me when I don't have minor children all the while egging on that poor excuse for a mother. My children never had a junkie mom, period.

I was talking about 0ak, not you.

You were responding to Lily. Do you know for a fact that Oak has minor children herself? And how does that excuse Dove from her parental responsibilities?

 

[Murdy]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

oh it’s so much worse than just being a mommy online 24/7/365

This “good Christian pro-life advocat” and her online meal ticket gimp chased a poster named Rizzo offline by harassing her about burying her miscarriage in a box in her rose garden.

They also destroyed our forum eventually.

 

[Lily]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

oh it’s so much worse than just being a mommy online 24/7/365

This “good Christian pro-life advocat” and her online meal ticket gimp chased a poster named Rizzo offline by harassing her about burying her miscarriage in a box in her rose garden.

They also destroyed our forum eventually.

Am I surprised that hot mess harassed a woman about a miscarriage? No, I'm not. She's the worst hypocrite on this forum.

 

[Murdy]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

think about all these single parent children and their twisted ideologies about “family” and what men stand for (a paycheck) being unleashed into society.

these so-called do goodies make me physically ill

 

[Lily]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

think about all these single parent children and their twisted ideologies about “family” and what men stand for (a paycheck) being unleashed into society.

these so-called do goodies make me physically ill

The men I've known in my life that are single dads have paid their support for their children and then some. They also spent time with them. Always without bitching, happy to see their children. The bitch of it was that the ex wife was often a cunt, not appreciating how good they had it.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

thought kids were off limits

guess it just depends on who's doing it

 

[Omnipotent]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

Remember the movie, She Devil? Leave the kids with the dad and mum pays the maintenance.

I couldn't do it... but I think that was clever.

Women have been observing the nature of men for decades. If they haven't wised up by now,... they'll never learn.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

Remember the movie, She Devil? Leave the kids with the dad and mum pays the maintenance.

I couldn't do it... but I think that was clever.

Women have been observing the nature of men for decades. If they haven't wised up by now,... they'll never learn.

Eh... I raised two sons on my own from birth to adulthood and never received a single penny from their mom.

 

[Dove]

thought kids were off limits

guess it just depends on who's doing it

Yeah if those two arrested development suffering shrews hate someone it's okay to drag their kids and anything on them to forums to use as "ammo".

It really must suck having such bad arguments for everything that you have resort to that sort of garbage.

Hence why I dont even read them :D

 

[Lily]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

Remember the movie, She Devil? Leave the kids with the dad and mum pays the maintenance.

I couldn't do it... but I think that was clever.

Women have been observing the nature of men for decades. If they haven't wised up by now,... they'll never learn.

People always think that they will be exception. It won't happen to them.

 

[Murdy]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

think about all these single parent children and their twisted ideologies about “family” and what men stand for (a paycheck) being unleashed into society.

these so-called do goodies make me physically ill

The men I've known in my life that are single dads have paid their support for their children and then some. They also spent time with them. Always without bitching, happy to see their children. The bitch of it was that the ex wife was often a cunt, not appreciating how good they had it.

My beast won’t even talk on the phone when he has his kids… he and his ex have a 50/50 shared custody split. I’m impressed with both of them as a parental unit tbh. I’m becoming friends with her.

We also pray before meals and no cell phones at the table, which only his oldest has one and she is in an all girl Catholic HS and needs it since both parents work out of the area.

 

[Dove]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

Remember the movie, She Devil? Leave the kids with the dad and mum pays the maintenance.

I couldn't do it... but I think that was clever.

Women have been observing the nature of men for decades. If they haven't wised up by now,... they'll never learn.

Eh... I raised two sons on my own from birth to adulthood and never received a single penny from their mom.

You are not a "norm".

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I don’t know how or where being a REAL man who raises his children both financially and morally has turned into left v right.

I know of at least 4 men who I grew up with who were trapped by women into marriage. Yes, I said TRAPPED. They have all referred to it as some sort of miscommunication and I’m not sure how that happens. Women are either on birth control or they aren’t.

These men are all dedicated fathers. They married these women as soon as they found out they were pregnant and are now ALL divorced.

I don’t think unplanned pregnancies are easy for men or women and clearly a child conceived out of wedlock is going to present numerous issues for both parents, whether they choose to face their issues head on or run like cowards. These men I have referred to were all raised Catholic and have more morals than most when it comes to traditional family values.

Some people are selfish and only think of themselves and how a baby will negatively impact their lives. This is why I’m pro-life. I believe every child should benefit from a 2 parent LOVING home.

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves. Those that couldn't meet those expectations often disappeared from their families, just walked away. Maybe it wasn't a good thing, but they didn't hang about whining, sniveling and feeling sorry for themselves if they had to provide support for their families.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

Mostly woke-ism. Also you're a moron if you think anyone here has whined about supporting their families. I have seen you do this multiple times already where you ignore what people actually said and instead build up a fantasy of what you wish they said or wrongly imagine they might have said.

That is not a good trait.

You complain about men having to spend up to 2/3rds, uncited of course, of their income on their children. That is in the other thread about the man paying support with pennies.

I mentioned that I personally know one man who does pay 2/3rds (between child support and spousal support) forcing him into poverty and homelessness even though it was his former wife who cheated on him while he was deployed. I also pointed out that his ex didn't spend the money on his kids and instead helped her boyfriend and their two kids with it. Oh, and I pointed out that she didn't marry her current boyfriend despite them having two children together. Yes, I do believe allowing the guy to mai tain basic shelter would be a better policy as it would improve his ability to provide for his family, but, you were clearly to stupid to understand even something as basic as that.

You have very poor reading comprehension then lie and pretend people said something they never did. Lying about other people's positions is a sign of low character and low intelligence.

Then this man should go and get his children and raise them. Isn't there shared custody where he lives?

I’m going to chime in here… any father who wants visitation can file an OSC with the court to obtain that. You don’t pay child support to rent your child. Also, you cannot withhold visitation due to unpaid support.

Too many men think that once they get divorced that child support is unfair. WTF?!

think about all these single parent children and their twisted ideologies about “family” and what men stand for (a paycheck) being unleashed into society.

these so-called do goodies make me physically ill

The men I've known in my life that are single dads have paid their support for their children and then some. They also spent time with them. Always without bitching, happy to see their children. The bitch of it was that the ex wife was often a cunt, not appreciating how good they had it.

My beast won’t even talk on the phone when he has his kids… he and his ex have a 50/50 shared custody split. I’m impressed with both of them as a parental unit tbh. I’m becoming friends with her.

We also pray before meals and no cell phones at the table, which only his oldest has one and she is in an all girl Catholic HS and needs it since both parents work out of the area.

Sounds a lot like a conservative household to me

Genuine question here: who do you pray to?

 

[deport_liberals]

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

They have nerve talking about me when I don't have minor children all the while egging on that poor excuse for a mother. My children never had a junkie mom, period.

I was talking about 0ak, not you.

You were responding to Lily. Do you know for a fact that Oak has minor children herself? And how does that excuse Dove from her parental responsibilities?

Ffs.

It was context appropriate and it's not a political statement. Unless cultural marxism is now a political topic rather than a cultural one. It was a culture reference loosely "political"

But go ahead and pee in the middle of the discussion. BF will be along now to check your nappy.

Perhaps the discussion hit close to home.

I'm no Libertarian, sir, and I have no child support to pay.

I believe you that no woman was interested in procreating with you.

So what's this thread really about, Oak? Did the man you abandoned stop paying child support?
..and now you have to go it alone w/o his financial aid.

She probably left him to spend moar time with the internets.

You mean like Dove who has a 5 year old?

They have nerve talking about me when I don't have minor children all the while egging on that poor excuse for a mother. My children never had a junkie mom, period.

I was talking about 0ak, not you.

You were responding to Lily. Do you know for a fact that Oak has minor children herself? And how does that excuse Dove from her parental responsibilities?

I was responding to holliday, about our former acquaintance. Incidentally, as rotten a soul as 0ak was, she never stooped so low as attacking 5 year old children.