What is happening to men in the Western world?

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

 

[Dove]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

 

[Lokmar]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved.

I cant even imagine doing that and looking at that face you just fucking mutilated. How the fuk does someone get so hardened?

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

Oh you rebel without a pause you!

I bet you rip mattress labels off and cross against the red light without a care in the world

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

 

[Lily]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

Aaah, that’s nice!

 

[Biggie Smiles]

 

[Kirk]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

Breakfall is a little obsessed with people leaving BF and going to these other forums, yanno.

So please don't wander off to another forum, ok.

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

Breakfall is a little obsessed with people leaving BF and going to these other forums, yanno.

So please don't wander off to another forum, ok.

And who the fuck are you?

 

[Seamajor]

Hope ya paid attention to the front end ad. You could drop about 40 lbs Stubby.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

 

[LotusBud]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

Breakfall is a little obsessed with people leaving BF and going to these other forums, yanno.

So please don't wander off to another forum, ok.

He may be obsessed with people going to other forums, but he also loves to chase people away from this one, so it's kind of irrational.

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

That being said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of men.

Men are expected to uphold the traditional values of society and then are seeing their social status eroded.

You can't expect them to be strong for you if they keep getting knocked down.

Just like anti-aboritionists who have unrealistic expectations of women, a number of feminists (but certainly not all) have unrealistic expectaions of men.

Wait so having a job, contributing to their family financially and not being a dick is asking too much?

Is that what you’re asking or telling?

Asking.

I want to know what is "too much".

You’re stereotyping the male species. Housewife’s flaw!

It is in the context of marriage that I am "stereotyping". In a marriage, both partners should contribute to the family.

Depends on the sanity of either partner.
And I’ve noticed that you’ve resorted to hiding your online presence. Rookie error!

How am I hiding my online presence?

Seriously?

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder what planet you're on.

Your online status is hidden ffs!
:facepalm:

I had no idea. I must have been futzing around with the preferences or whatever. Would you like me to remove it? I don't give a rat's ass if I'm hidden or not.

It’s silly to hide your presence when this is all about socialising, unless of course you’re scooting back and forth along the multiple forum highways.

It was a mistake, I'm not going on different forums.

Breakfall is a little obsessed with people leaving BF and going to these other forums, yanno.

So please don't wander off to another forum, ok.

He may be obsessed with people going to other forums, but he also loves to chase people away from this one, so it's kind of irrational.

Name ‘em or fuck off!

 

[Dove]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved.

I cant even imagine doing that and looking at that face you just fucking mutilated. How the fuk does someone get so hardened?

Most of these abortion "doctors" have long records of misconduct. Some are banned in some states. Mishandling narcs. Domestic violence. Sexual assault. Medical malpractice. I have files on abortionists here and you wouldnt believe they are still allowed to practice.

It's such a partisan issue that these "doctors" can do things a normal doctor would lose his/her liscence over. Activists fight like fuck to protect these shit bags and they fight against the state holding abortion clinics to the same safety/sanitation standards. They call it an undo burden that puts "unessesary" restrictions to abortion access.

You have untrained workers who have NO liscence doing medical interventions they are NOT liscenced to do.

And the vast majority of abortionists do not have hospital privileges. They cant admit patients. There is no credentialing.

And like I said, it's a billion dollar industry and they buy elected officials so they really have no real oversight or accountability.

Do abortion supporters care? Not one bit. They dismiss it all as "anti abortion propaganda".....even though there is tons of documentated proof and thousands of women who talk about it.

The ONLY women they care about are pro abortion women and women who had abortions that praise it and say the things they WANT to hear.

The rest of us they act like we dont exist and nothing any of us say matters at all.

 

[Joe]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

 

[Frood]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

Are you fucking serous?

I also laughed about the voice mattering bit... so tribal! lulz

 

[Dove]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

That's exactly what I'm thinking about you, honestly.

More so because you keep speaking FOR women and just entirely ignore everything that doesnt fit into YOUR socail/political agenda.

Every single thing you guys say has to do your socail/political views and agenda and none of you are able to get past any of that and show ANY concern for women outside of what you think women are thinking.

As for me? I don't give a rats shit what someone online thinks I care about or not. The fact is? I'm the one who knows where all the resource centers and outreaches that help women in crisis ARE.

And even if that's ALL I had....knowing about them....its way more care than you guys have considering you use energy to avoid acknowledging they even EXIST. I have offered SEVERAL times to list and provide information for places women can go for help.....and you guys didnt even ask.

I'm not obligated to defend MY level of care to people who dont give a rip fuck about any of the groups that help. You are not worried about the women, or you would want to help rather than assuming everything. You havent even LOOKED at anything being done by pro lifers.

 

[Holliday1881]

Now uh - I find it remarkably funny that some might take the image of frontline Victorian Liberals as their
. emblem when had they been alive in those very revolutionary times they would have been naught more than prostitutes who succumbed to laudanum addiction.

Much as they have been 150 years later.

 

[Breakfall]

I remember when men were stoic, strong, and had higher expectations of themselves.

Why is this happening and what can be done, if anything?

The truth be known, all the 'Real Men' are disengaging from todays society, droppin' out & doin' our own thing.

Sorry but you Ladies became too demanding & asked too much from us, Lily.

So we figured out if it's the End of Days, may as well enjoy what we can with the time we have left. No time for you Ladies anymore.

We' be retreated into our hobbies & other pursuits instead.

I suppose it's a bit like the monks who retreated into the monestaries during the European Dark Ages, eh? Except now the illumination of manuscripts hath been replaced with the XBox & gaming.

Self indulgent hedonism has replaced family values I guess.

Don't forget nuns running from men and yearly life threatening pregancies.... that is why convents were so full.

From you Ladies...it seems to always be the Man's Fault.

Victim Blaming. You and your sisters are always the victims, always right and the man is always the bad one and always wrong.

Here's one persepctive entirely from a woman's POV in her own words about the current situation:




...just like large number of men sympathize with and understand that many women would want to avoid a state like Texas because it does not offer a fair deal to them with respect to abortion rights/laws, women should understand why many men are avoiding marriage now because it doesn't offer a fair deal to them either.

Wait. Did you just compare the right to abortion to men not wanting to get married?????????????????????

Well, there is a parallel, LB.

One side wants unfair divorce laws which overwhelmingly favor women.

The other side wants unfair abortion laws which overwhelimingly favor Rich White Men.

so what exists in the US are 2 polar opposites/extremes.

Extremism has a way of feeding off the other.

One side gets greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive, so the other bites back back and similary becomes greedy, nasty, power hungry and vindictive.

You have a very negative view of women. No wonder you're a bachelor, sounds like sour grapes to me to be honest.

Well, you can call me that if you like.

But if failing to completely endorse an agenda because I don't agree with all of it, then so be it.

Same time, I'm not as Black and White as you think.

Many men such as myself support abortion rights for women.

Sometimes it makes practical economic and political sense to support a socially unpopular position.

Anways, if you a choice between me as a political ally and the trogdalytes in Texas who wanna destroy women's rights and women in general, who would you choose?

Well, if your voice mattered her in the US, of course I'd pick you over the likes of the idiots in Texas. However, since that's an impossibility, I don't need you as an ally.

You have no idea how many women have been screwed by divorce as well. If you look at data related to poverty, it's mostly women and children that live in poverty in the US.

That's no accident.

Are you fucking serous?

I also laughed about the voice mattering bit... so tribal! lulz

Have ever anything like it though....fuck! She’s got no idea!

 

[Breakfall]

Now uh - I find it remarkably funny that some might take the image of frontline Victorian Liberals as their
. emblem when had they been alive in those very revolutionary times they would have been naught more than prostitutes who succumbed to laudanum addiction.

Much as they have been 150 years later.

Shut up you idiot!

 

[Lily]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

You finally figured her out. She thinks her right wing Christian virtue signaling fools everyone because she goes on for days and days. It doesn't.

 

[LotusBud]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

She clearly has no interest in women or children. Like many CONs, she cares only about fetuses. Once that thing breathes on its own, it can die a slow painful death for all she cares.

 

[Joe]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

That's exactly what I'm thinking about you, honestly.

More so because you keep speaking FOR women and just entirely ignore everything that doesnt fit into YOUR socail/political agenda.

Every single thing you guys say has to do your socail/political views and agenda and none of you are able to get past any of that and show ANY concern for women outside of what you think women are thinking.

As for me? I don't give a rats shit what someone online thinks I care about or not. The fact is? I'm the one who knows where all the resource centers and outreaches that help women in crisis ARE.

And even if that's ALL I had....knowing about them....its way more care than you guys have considering you use energy to avoid acknowledging they even EXIST. I have offered SEVERAL times to list and provide information for places women can go for help.....and you guys didnt even ask.

I'm not obligated to defend MY level of care to people who dont give a rip fuck about any of the groups that help. You are not worried about the women, or you would want to help rather than assuming everything. You havent even LOOKED at anything being done by pro lifers.

I thought the purpose of laws acting in the best interests of public health is to save lives and in this case to preserve the health of the prospective mother and her child on the way.

You don't achieve this by criminalizing the activities of would be mothers. If they're in trouble they need professional help. And if they feel they'll get into trouble by seeking help from the authorities, they might seek help like back alley abortions.

That can mean tragic results for all including the mother and the unborn child the law is supposed to help save.

There has to be a better way than the Texas law.

I suggest an expanded social safety net for these expectant mothers but Texas being what it is I don't see how this would become reality. They don't seem to believe in social welfare or improving the lot of these women.

 

[Lily]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

She clearly has no interest in women or children. Like many CONs, she cares only about fetuses. Once that thing breathes on its own, it can die a slow painful death for all she cares.

Respect for life doesn't include using images of fetuses, probably from miscarriages or other unfortunate circumstances, for political fodder. What a sick bitch.

 

[Lily]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

That's exactly what I'm thinking about you, honestly.

More so because you keep speaking FOR women and just entirely ignore everything that doesnt fit into YOUR socail/political agenda.

Every single thing you guys say has to do your socail/political views and agenda and none of you are able to get past any of that and show ANY concern for women outside of what you think women are thinking.

As for me? I don't give a rats shit what someone online thinks I care about or not. The fact is? I'm the one who knows where all the resource centers and outreaches that help women in crisis ARE.

And even if that's ALL I had....knowing about them....its way more care than you guys have considering you use energy to avoid acknowledging they even EXIST. I have offered SEVERAL times to list and provide information for places women can go for help.....and you guys didnt even ask.

I'm not obligated to defend MY level of care to people who dont give a rip fuck about any of the groups that help. You are not worried about the women, or you would want to help rather than assuming everything. You havent even LOOKED at anything being done by pro lifers.

I thought the purpose of laws acting in the best interests of public health is to save lives and in this case to preserve the health of the prospective mother and her child on the way.

You don't achieve this by criminalizing the activities of would be mothers. If they're in trouble they need professional help. And if they feel they'll get into trouble by seeking help from the authorities, they might seek help like back alley abortions.

That can mean tragic results for all including the mother and the unborn child the law is supposed to help save.

There has to be a better way than the Texas law.

I suggest an expanded social safety net for these expectant mothers but Texas being what it is I don't see how this would become reality. They don't seem to believe in social welfare or improving the lot of these women.

I predict this will be struck down in the courts. However, it's not for nothing that they did this; they just galvanized millions of women across this country. I know that this law going into effect seems to have gotten people in the State of California to awaken to the revolting idea of a Republican as a governor.

The people are angry and are going to take it out on the GOP. Thanks Texas!

 

[Breakfall]

So Joe, you just refuse to accept that many women hate abortion?

That this TX was mostly women? You know the people did this....right?

The government doesnt just make laws. The people are the ones who drove this.

Texas can still make laws with a pro-life bias while still offering women and young girls better alternatives and not being so cruel and vindictive about it.

I'm not a woman, never can be pregnant, but as a man, even I find their new laws to be excessive and anti-democratic.

It's not cruel, or vindictive, or anti democratic(the democratic process accomplished this) to limit and regulate KILLING human beings, Joe.

You aren't seeing this as other people are. Why dont you dig into this topic and get as well informed as people(mostly women btw) are who fight this

Because Joe THIS is cruelty

THIS ^^^ is the entire point

I think it's really sad, and shows we need a lot of change, when grown people are wailing, crying, calling it authoritarian and vindictive.....to expect people to have MORE responsibility regarding their sexual decisions so human life can be respected.

What's CRUEL and fucked is how people ONLY think about what is easy for THEM and are okay with human beings, being shredded alive and thrown away JUST so they dont have to take a few extra steps.

I'm sorry Joe I'm just not buying it. You guys sound like spoiled children screaming about how mean mommy is because you cant have ice cream before dinner.

That's literally how this translates. Is gross spoiled, selfish drama because adults want to rut like pigs with no Prudence or responsibility.

No. Not moved. The ONLY thing cruel here is continuing to destroy and devalue human life for more consequence free orgasms. I honestly dont care if banning abortion ruins peoples sex lives and they never get laid again. I dont.

Human rights do not conform to peoples sense of sexual entitlement. We CAN do better and we should.

As far as democracy, MORE than half the country wants this at least regulated. I've shown you that. So refusing to regulate it and demanding unfettered abortion at every stage is anti democratic. People in fucking CA demanding TX change its law is anti democratic.

I don't think you even care about woman/young girls in crisis.

You seem to care most about pushing a social/ political agenda rather than helping others.

That's exactly what I'm thinking about you, honestly.

More so because you keep speaking FOR women and just entirely ignore everything that doesnt fit into YOUR socail/political agenda.

Every single thing you guys say has to do your socail/political views and agenda and none of you are able to get past any of that and show ANY concern for women outside of what you think women are thinking.

As for me? I don't give a rats shit what someone online thinks I care about or not. The fact is? I'm the one who knows where all the resource centers and outreaches that help women in crisis ARE.

And even if that's ALL I had....knowing about them....its way more care than you guys have considering you use energy to avoid acknowledging they even EXIST. I have offered SEVERAL times to list and provide information for places women can go for help.....and you guys didnt even ask.

I'm not obligated to defend MY level of care to people who dont give a rip fuck about any of the groups that help. You are not worried about the women, or you would want to help rather than assuming everything. You havent even LOOKED at anything being done by pro lifers.

I thought the purpose of laws acting in the best interests of public health is to save lives and in this case to preserve the health of the prospective mother and her child on the way.

You don't achieve this by criminalizing the activities of would be mothers. If they're in trouble they need professional help. And if they feel they'll get into trouble by seeking help from the authorities, they might seek help like back alley abortions.

That can mean tragic results for all including the mother and the unborn child the law is supposed to help save.

There has to be a better way than the Texas law.

I suggest an expanded social safety net for these expectant mothers but Texas being what it is I don't see how this would become reality. They don't seem to believe in social welfare or improving the lot of these women.

I predict this will be struck down in the courts. However, it's not for nothing that they did this; they just galvanized millions of women across this country. I know that this law going into effect seems to have gotten people in the State of California to awaken to the revolting idea of a Republican as a governor.

The people are angry and are going to take it out on the GOP. Thanks Texas!

My foreskin was cut off without my permission when I was a tot. Now I have to make a lot of wees and backsplash on my headpiece to raise my horny dick smell. It’s an effort!