FACE MASKS DONT PREVENT COVID!!!

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.

Well your leftwing buddies here call people "anti mask trumptards" everytime something is said that goes against the narrative and Admin announced any medical professional rejecting the vaccine is failing to practice medicine.

How is he qualified to say that?

I've explained many times why cloth masks are garbage and also why forcing them on children for school is a monstrous move.....but no one addresses it. It's just a never ending loop of "trumptards bad, media good".
 
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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE
 
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BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
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Nothin' prevents Covid. ....Lokmeer.

Cept social distancing, Bud.
BUT THE VAX!!!!! josephine!

I just roll wid da punches, Bud.

Don't worship yer Obama, yer Saint Trump, Biden or the vaccine. ...Lokmeer!

Never know what tomorrow will bring, eh?
I roll with it by not wearing a mask when possible and wearing it and not forming it tightly to my face when I have to wear it.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
 
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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

If most people were wearing the RIGHT masks in public and NOT contaminating them(touching it)....it WOULD mitigate spread.

But since it's just fodder in a political narrative war....no one really gives a fuck about the pandemic. Its selfish, narcissistic bullshit and Pfizer is really making money off everyone.

You only see hysterics over people who oppose mandates getting sick or dying. Or states that reject mandating masks and vaccines. Their numbers get humped.

We didnt hear about other states that did do the mandates being swamped with covid so badly that doctors were openly saying they cannot give proper care to all the patients. Which happened in Louisiana.

You dont see hysterics about Biden letting floods of people into the country, thousands of which are infected with everything from tons of Covid cases to fucking MEASLES, and carting them all around the country.

You dont see the sad cases of people getting deathly ill with Covid and those who passed away who "did everything" the government said.

The picture painted is it's the "trumptards" fault. Blame them. Attack them. It's not at all the righteous establishment, dont even LOOK at them.

And people have become so partisan tribal they go along even if they know its total bullshit. So that's the selfish part. Knowingly using a pandemic and deaths as cards to play against your political opposition. To the point where even children are being negatively impacted and people are arguing for government force of medical intervention and seething with so much hate that they say people should be denied medical attention if they dont just do what everyone is being told to do.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.

Well the mask might offer some protection but probably not much. Likewise the vaccines are probably also limited in the protection they provide.

That's why people who walk around or go out partying after getting the vax are foolish, particularly the younger crowd. They're the ones who are getting it now, eh?
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.

Well the mask might offer some protection but probably not much. Likewise the vaccines are probably also limited in the protection they provide.

That's why people who walk around or go out partying after getting the vax are foolish, particularly the younger crowd. They're the ones who are getting it now, eh?

Actually, my fully vaccinated son got Covid. He wasn't even as sick as someone with a cold.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Still I notice all these young kids who walk around mask less now & and congregate in crowds thinking it's over when it ain't.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.

Well the mask might offer some protection but probably not much. Likewise the vaccines are probably also limited in the protection they provide.

That's why people who walk around or go out partying after getting the vax are foolish, particularly the younger crowd. They're the ones who are getting it now, eh?

Actually, my fully vaccinated son got Covid. He wasn't even as sick as someone with a cold.

Did he get the Pfizer shot?

Is he back in the States or with u in Portugal?
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.

Well the mask might offer some protection but probably not much. Likewise the vaccines are probably also limited in the protection they provide.

That's why people who walk around or go out partying after getting the vax are foolish, particularly the younger crowd. They're the ones who are getting it now, eh?

Actually, my fully vaccinated son got Covid. He wasn't even as sick as someone with a cold.

Did he get the Pfizer shot?

Is he back in the States or with u in Portugal?

He's in the States. He had the Moderna.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

I don't think its the mask that offers the protection. It's the psychological effect of letting others know they should keep their distance from you.

Standing 6' or more from others & avoiding large crowds or packed indoor places is about all a person can do, eh?
Be careful josephine. Your fellow leftist loons hate you mask deniers even worse than the right wing ones.

Well the mask might offer some protection but probably not much. Likewise the vaccines are probably also limited in the protection they provide.

That's why people who walk around or go out partying after getting the vax are foolish, particularly the younger crowd. They're the ones who are getting it now, eh?

The way I see it, being vaccinated, wearing a mask, social distancing, and washing your hands frequently all work in tandem to lower the risk.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Still I notice all these young kids who walk around mask less now & and congregate in crowds thinking it's over when it ain't.

It will never be over but if you are vaccinated and in good health without pre-existing conditions then even if you do get it then it will be mild.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Still I notice all these young kids who walk around mask less now & and congregate in crowds thinking it's over when it ain't.

Joe I do not think anyone thinks it's over. In fact if anything they know it will never be over.

Covid is here to stay.

All people can do is assess risk and benefit, just like everything else we encounter on a daily basis that can be deadly or miserable. We are personally responsible for our own health.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

I looked at a couple of those. They seem to say that the study was only done on people who had received those vaccines recently, so. Who knows.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

I looked at a couple of those. They seem to say that the study was only done on people who had received those vaccines recently, so. Who knows.

Yeah, they said that the more recent the better because the antibiotics are strongest and still present.

Some scientists have suggested that Portugal weathered the Pandemic better than Italy and Spain because they vaccinated their citizens against these other diseases. Another was the TB shot. Even early during the Pandemic in 2020, Portugal was better off than its neighbors.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

There is absolutely no cure for viruses. Never has been. Maybe one day there will be.

But we have no cures for any viruses. We treat symptoms and offer medical support to those who experience severe illness from a virus.....that's all we can do. Viruses have to run their course.

That's why we have vaccines. So your immune system can recognize the virus when you come into contact with it and thusly fight it off better. You can still catch anything you were vaccinated for.....you just wont get nearly as sick as you would have without the vaccine(this is mostly what happens).

This virus isnt going anywhere. Since it was able to jump to humans, it's going to spread and mutate like every other virus. It will never be as deadly as it was when it first hit. It will just adjust itself.

We have to adjust to living with it. It's not going anywhere.

And we will. It will eventually just be a nasty cold. We don't really know how much of our population has been exposed.....probably everyone. Natural immunity is superior to the vaccine.

You really have nothing to worry about. You got your vaccines and the pnemonia vaccine. Just wash your hands, dont touch your face holes and make healthy decisions.

We cant force vaccines and segregation and live in a state of never ending fear mongering where politicains and pharma corps can exploit and take advantage of us.

We have created such a toxic climate.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

I looked at a couple of those. They seem to say that the study was only done on people who had received those vaccines recently, so. Who knows.

Yeah, they said that the more recent the better because the antibiotics are strongest and still present.

Some scientists have suggested that Portugal weathered the Pandemic better than Italy and Spain because they vaccinated their citizens against these other diseases. Another was the TB shot. Even early during the Pandemic in 2020, Portugal was better off than its neighbors.

Yes. Spain and Italy were way worse. I was surprised we didn't get it worse, because Spain is right there. A two hour drive from me.
 

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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

There is absolutely no cure for viruses. Never has been. Maybe one day there will be.

But we have no cures for any viruses. We treat symptoms and offer medical support to those who experience severe illness from a virus.....that's all we can do. Viruses have to run their course.

That's why we have vaccines. So your immune system can recognize the virus when you come into contact with it and thusly fight it off better. You can still catch anything you were vaccinated for.....you just wont get nearly as sick as you would have without the vaccine(this is mostly what happens).

This virus isnt going anywhere. Since it was able to jump to humans, it's going to spread and mutate like every other virus. It will never be as deadly as it was when it first hit. It will just adjust itself.

We have to adjust to living with it. It's not going anywhere.

And we will. It will eventually just be a nasty cold. We don't really know how much of our population has been exposed.....probably everyone. Natural immunity is superior to the vaccine.

You really have nothing to worry about. You got your vaccines and the pnemonia vaccine. Just wash your hands, dont touch your face holes and make healthy decisions.

We cant force vaccines and segregation and live in a state of never ending fear mongering where politicains and pharma corps can exploit and take advantage of us.

We have created such a toxic climate.

And yet, there may be some cross protection against COVID from other vaccines.

As you're aware Covid isn't the only coronavirus out there. So there's a relationship with other viruses. This might explain why some people who got Covid but were vaccinated against other diseases fared better or recovered than those who didn't.
 
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"While some people may perceive these surgical masks as flimsy or non-reusable, researchers found that these surgical masks are more effective than cloth ones, even after you wash and reuse them.
Researchers at Stanford, Yale, and UC Berkeley found just how effective masks can be in reducing the spread of COVID-19 in the largest mask study to date.
Their recent study was done in Bangladesh across 600 villages and more than 350,000 adults.
While they found masks in general provided a 9% reduction in COVID-19 cases, surgical masks were more effective and reduced cases by 11%. Researchers say effectiveness continued to climb among older adults.
“In people who were 60 and above we found that we were able to prevent 35%"

YOU DONT FUCKING SAY?!

We have literally ALWAYS known this, btw. It's why nurses and doctors are not permitted (or dumb enough) to wear reusable cloth masks in a hospital.

So now they are gonna try pretending we just found out that cloth masks do nothing and we need surgical masks....so yeah time to use the REAL ppe.

Why not just admit that they didnt know what else to tell us and since we needed the REAL ppe for frontline medical professionals....they just told us to wear cloth to have something?

Awesome. NOW let's see a study about how contaminating your mask by touching it actually causes viruses and bacterias to get all over your face. Another thing we already fucking know.

I bet we need these studies to confirm shit we have already known for years so that dems/progs will actually listen to it and not just call medical workers "anti mask trumptards".

Well there you go, lefties. Even media is now saying you need real masks and putting contaminated cloth on your face does nothing(besides put you at risk for infection, btw). We all know how dems/progs and their media are the new medical feild.

I bet you anything in those other countries it was handwashing that prevented transmission. NOT their cloth petri dishes.

Dems/progs call medical workers "anti mask trumptards"? Link, please.

And I'm not at all sure what you are trying to argue about cloth masks. I wore one for a minute and a half when no surgical masks were available. We put liners inside them that were made from vaccum cleaner filter mesh because we knew the cloth alone was no good. This was in March/April 2020.
The masks 90% of everyone are using are 90% worthless. #SCIENCE

There's sure been a Lotta breakthrough cases after people got the vaccines and were fully vaccinated. Not just the US, but all over the world. And it wasn't just Pfizer, but others like Sino Vax or the Sputnik vaccines too.

Vaccines only provide very limited protection.

They're certainly not a cure and many perhaps most don't prevent a person from getting COVID.

Well, research shows that vaccinated people who do get Covid are far less likely to get seriously ill. I would rather have a mild case than end up in the hospital with it.

Yes. And it also shows vaccinated people can still spread it.

So the ONLY benefit is that it really reduces your risk of developing a severe case.

So there is absolutely no justifying coercing or forcing people to get this vaccine. It should be a personal decision.

The vaccine is not going to end this virus and all the research and experts have said this. So this narrative that people who do not want it(for various reasons, btw) are selfish subhuman morons who shouldnt keep their job is based on nothing but partisan narratives and corporate fascism.

I read in some medical abstracts that other conventional vaccines such as those for MMR & Pertussis may offer some protection against COVID. They aren't cures just enhancements tho.

I looked at a couple of those. They seem to say that the study was only done on people who had received those vaccines recently, so. Who knows.

Yeah, they said that the more recent the better because the antibiotics are strongest and still present.

Some scientists have suggested that Portugal weathered the Pandemic better than Italy and Spain because they vaccinated their citizens against these other diseases. Another was the TB shot. Even early during the Pandemic in 2020, Portugal was better off than its neighbors.

Yes. Spain and Italy were way worse. I was surprised we didn't get it worse, because Spain is right there. A two hour drive from me.

I read last year that Portugal had mandatory TB vaccinations for children but Spain did not 20 years ago .

So that planning may have paid off.