Gun Control in America

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Everybody thinks they know what’s wrong, but it seems nobody wants to acknowledge the plainly obvious reasons behind all this violence.
 

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The increasing devaluation of human life?
 

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It’s in our DNA as a nation. Born out of the exploitation and genocide of Natives and built off the backs of slaves, the United States has used violence to solve its “problems” since its inception. The country’s independence, itself, was obtained through years of violence aka the American revolution. This violence is now venerated and enshrined in popular American mythology and perpetuated ad nauseam in public school history books.
 

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It’s in our DNA as a nation. Born out of the exploitation and genocide of Natives and built off the backs of slaves, the United States has used violence to solve its “problems” since its inception.
So has every other country on the planet. This is not an exclusively American trait, which is why it doesn't address gun violence.
 

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One of the differences between other countries and America is that for America the violence never stopped, and it has been routinely glorified.

When Native Americans had something we wanted, we murdered them and took it, over and over again. America’s deft use of violence in World War II became our modern claim to moral superiority. The invasion of Iraq decades later was deemed a gift to Iraqi citizens despite the countless deaths and destruction of their homeland that came with it.

We memorialize those who commit violence for the government and hold them in the highest esteem and throwing tantrums when others express dissenting opinions or fail to bow to the people who serve these institutions.

When children misbehave, we beat them. When people don’t follow the ever-expanding number of (many times unjust) laws in the U.S., we jail them. When a country does something we don’t like, we bomb them and overthrow their government. When a leader does something the U.S. government doesn’t like, we assassinate them. Even what should be civil political discourse has been radicalized into violent rhetoric: the war on women, the war on Christmas, the war on healthcare, the war on cops.

War permeates our culture.

Therefore, it’s only natural that when a person is sad, down on themselves, off their meds, or mad about something, picking up a gun to solve their problems with violence seems to be logical. Our government does it, why not them? We beat kids for being “bad,” why would they not use violence against adults? Our government bombs schools in countries we don’t like, so what is so different about an individual getting a gun and shooting up a school in the United States?

Our police shoot and kill over 1,000 Americans every year, often because they are afraid of them or because they “did not comply.” Is it any surprise that many of the most atrocious mass shootings in this country were committed by individuals with a fetish for militarism or policing institutions?

So this very much does address gun violence in America.
 

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One of the differences between other countries and America is that for America the violence never stopped, and it has been routinely glorified.
And that differentiates us from no other existing nation. See: Falklands War, British Imperial subjugation of India, et cetera.

When Native Americans had something we wanted, we murdered them and took it, over and over again.
That, again, doesn't differentiate America much from other countries in the 1800s; see: Ottoman Empire.

America’s deft use of violence in World War II became our modern claim to moral superiority.
As it did for the U.K. and Russia.

Expansionism via violence is not unique to the United States -- nor is slavery, which is practiced by certain hardcore theocratic governments still today.

And throughout all that time, mass shootings in the U.S. were noteworthy for their rarity, and were almost always carried out by government, not individuals. Instances like the massacre at Wounded Knee, the violence at Kent State.

Another noteworthy thing about those incidents -- they were carried out against disarmed people. Contrast those instances against the Battle of Athens, where former military veterans, armed, forced a corrupt police force to stand down; or against the standoff at the Bundy Ranch more recently, where armed citizens deterred Bureau of Land Management agents from steamrolling over a rancher and his family.

The availability of guns hasn't changed. The greed of our government hasn't changed. What has changed is the value we place on human life, and of how we regard morality as a whole. I'd bet you just cringed when you merely read the word, 'morality' there, didn't you? Popular culture has been pressing us to regard moral behavior as hokey and embarrassingly old fashioned, and to a lesser degree, that human life is expendable.

Well, this is the result.
 

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Some paranoid conspiracy type in Maryland shot up a newspaper office with a shotgun today, killed five and seriously injured several more. He had smoke grenades and flashbangs in his bag. They took him alive. Supposedly he cut his fingertips off before the shooting so the cops wouldn't be able to fingerprint him. Crazy.

We should start a mass shooting megathread with how often it happens honestly.
 

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I find that the four horsemen work better than guns. torture is beautiful.
 

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I find that the four horsemen work better than guns. torture is beautiful.
I site the fact that the four horseman have not already arrived as proof positive that there is no diety. Any self respecting God would have put us out of misery decades ago.
 

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I find that the four horsemen work better than guns. torture is beautiful.
I site the fact that the four horseman have not already arrived as proof positive that there is no diety. Any self respecting God would have put us out of misery decades ago.
That's the sandbox god, a deity which is fundamentally self-contradictory. The deist god, on the other hand, may simply be allowing us to learn our lesson. Unlike the sandbox god, the deist god is not "love and forgiveness" and all that cheese-ass horseshit. It gave us all the tools we need to be good to each other, and it's on us that we haven't mastered those toold of logic and compassion.
 

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I find that the four horsemen work better than guns. torture is beautiful.
I site the fact that the four horseman have not already arrived as proof positive that there is no diety. Any self respecting God would have put us out of misery decades ago.
That's the sandbox god, a deity which is fundamentally self-contradictory. The deist god, on the other hand, may simply be allowing us to learn our lesson. Unlike the sandbox god, the deist god is not "love and forgiveness" and all that cheese-ass horseshit. It gave us all the tools we need to be good to each other, and it's on us that we haven't mastered those toold of logic and compassion.
yes but at some point you have to give it up as a lost cause, and honestly imo the human race is long past that point.
 

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I'd actually offer that it's a fatalistic attitude like that one, ironically, that's part of the problem. Giving up on the importance of ethics is actually why we've become so unethical, as a culture.
 

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Just because you havent seen them doesn't mean I havent used them
 

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Just let the US government do its job; it'll work itself out.
Sorry to disagree, but our government (both parties) are so out of touch with reality that they couldn't fix a ham sandwich.
 

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Figure out what causes a society to have an disproportional amount of mass shootings in comparison to the rest of the world, find a solution to correct that and stop focusing on the tools used in them which is the least important aspect.

If it were even possible to confiscate all firearms in America, or to reduce the numbers of them to where it would be of any significance, that still does not address the most critical factor . . . Why?
 

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Figure out what causes a society to have an disproportional amount of mass shootings in comparison to the rest of the world, find a solution to correct that and stop focusing on the tools used in them which is the least important aspect.

If it were even possible to confiscate all firearms in America, or to reduce the numbers of them to where it would be of any significance, that still does not address the most critical factor . . . Why?
Who knows? Maybe the answer is, "Because my butt."
 

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Looking at buying another gun at the next show.

Now Im hearing the NRA is going broke and will not make it past 2018. Who will save it??
 

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If you're hearing that, you're hearing hot garbage spewed by people trying to sculpt trends, not people reporting trends.
 
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