Is Dovey Pregnant?

[Blurt]

I know one woman who cheated on her husband with an Asian on a holiday in Bali. I think her husband said if it was a white baby he would accept it but since it was going to be Asian, (thus proving her cheating) he wouldn't accept it so she aborted it.

I once, long ago, found myself in that situation, too. My then-girlfriend became pregnant by another man (long story), her Tunisian boss forty years her senior.

I asked her what she wanted to do.

I made it clear that I would stand by her regardless of her decision.

She chose to have an abortion.

My own mother drove her to the hospital on the day of.

My girlfriend and I remained a couple for another six years after this event.

We met forty years ago this summer and are still great friends (I spoke with her just last week).

I don't have a hard stance on abortion (yea or nay) because the procedure doesn't target bodies like mine.

But my ex took a stance (as well she must) and I've always respected not only her choice but her right to make that choice.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I know one woman who cheated on her husband with an Asian on a holiday in Bali. I think her husband said if it was a white baby he would accept it but since it was going to be Asian, (thus proving her cheating) he wouldn't accept it so she aborted it.

I once, long ago, found myself in that situation, too. My then-girlfriend became pregnant by another man (long story), her Tunisian boss forty years her senior.

I asked her what she wanted to do.

I made it clear that I would stand by her regardless of her decision.

She chose to have an abortion.

My own mother drove her to the hospital on the day of.

My girlfriend and I remained a couple for another six years after this event.

We met forty years ago this summer and are still great friends (I spoke with her just last week).

I don't have a hard stance on abortion (yea or nay) because the procedure doesn't target bodies like mine.

But my ex took a stance (as well she must) and I've always respected not only her choice but her right to make that choice.

You're a pussy.

case closed

 

[Dove]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

Altho maybe it happens in the sex industry or porn because the studio bosses want the woman to appear young and endlessly youthful?

What is the truth behind this issue?

Yeah... I am not comfortable with doveys claims about that. Most men force pregnancy is my experience... that is not to say there would be men thinking a baby is going to cramp their style. I have no way of proving that other than to say I know hundreds even thousands of mothers and none of them were forced into having an abortion.

I know one woman who cheated on her husband with an Asian on a holiday in Bali. I think her husband said if it was a white baby he would accept it but since it was going to be Asian, (thus proving her cheating) he wouldn't accept it so she aborted it.

The man in question married her with a child already and they shared a biological child... so a 3rd one that was dark skinned didn't fit into their plan.

No. I dont share Doveys view on that but who knows... America has a lot of selfish men. They have a lot of good dads too though like Biggie Smiles. He has a really good fatherly instinct. That is very primal.

Cascur go read some abortion trauma sites. I mean it happened to me too.

Men are not the same.

Of course my second husband who was a different kind of abuser and full blown psycho sabotaged my birth control and intentionally got me pregnant when I was not consenting to a pregnancy also happened to me.

But I kept the baby and got rid of HIM. All he accomplished was giving me more a motivation to get away from him. And my friends did try to help me get an abortion. He was the LAST person to even know I was pregnant. Friends were telling me it was reproductive rape and if I had the baby he would abuse us both and I'd be chained to him forever.

Nope! I fought that tooth and nail and won. And I did it by myself with everyone thinking I should abort and i was nuts. I have ZERO regrets. I cannot even imagine my life without that kid. Thats how I named her, too. She was nothing but a victory and a blessing.

So yeah there are unhinged men who will try to trap a woman with a baby but what normally happens is women are pressured to abort. And trapping women with pregnancies doesnt work like it did 50 years ago. Single parenthood isnt ideal by any means BUT it's not stigmatized. And it's better than executing a tiny human. And adoption is always an option....which also idnt ideal but it's better than abortion. At least with adoption grief you know the child is alive and loved.

Today on a general level men do not want the responsibility of a child or to be tied to a woman. It's not like it used to be. Its VERY easy for men to have consequence free sex with multiple women and they prefer this today. They dont want to commit or have to pay any child support.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

This nigga blurt was licking some tramp's pussy after the next nigga squirted up in it.

what a fucking cornball with horns

clown

 

[DDT]

Yep. The rule of thumb is if they do it once, they'll most likely do it again...

 

[Dove]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

What is the truth behind this issue?

I don't know enough about what happens in others' intimate relationships. I don't know how anyone would have enough information to make any such claims. Anecdotal data is nowhere near being definitive.

Every man that I have ever known has been pro-choice, but I'm from a liberal state. I won't assume that what I've experienced is the be all and end all of opinion on the movement and/or abortion. I know that women I know want to control their own bodies and not have Big Government in their wombs.

A literature review might provide insight, but I'm not going to spend my time entertaining nonsense from the nonsensical posters here at BF.

But pro choice men generally never, if ever tell women to have an abortion, right?

Or are they even involved in these movements at all or in charge of them?

There are 330 million people in the US, just about half of them men. Are there men that have forced a woman to have an abortion? I'm sure there have been. Does that make it common? I tend to hope not. It's also possible that some fundy Christian has forced a woman to have a baby she didn't want. I don't know though.

No one has ever been able to make me do jack shit that I don't want to do.

I'm more inclined to think if men take away the right to have abortions, they will get much more upset than if they grant this to them.

ie - this woman had an absolute meltdown when Roe vs Wade was overturned:




Unlike the commentators in the vide,I didn't find it funny, but rather sad as if something valuable had been taken from her.

Pro-choice advocates and supporters knew this was coming. I don't understand people freaking out. I was displeased, but not freaked out.

The pro-choice movement needs to put their energy into action, not reaction.

I didn't feel that her anger was unjustified.

When the pro life lobby on the other side doesn't find a compromise and starts criminalizing women over their choices, I feel they've been have done nothing to bend on the issue.

if they are pro-life, then they should devise a non destructive strategy to lower abortions, unwanted teenage pregnancies and programs to encourage women to keep their babies while improving a mother's health. Free or subsidized daycare as well. Same time, it takes a lot of money and resources to have a birther society. However, many in the Republican party want lower taxes and to cut social services which would be incompatible with that scenario

so they are being unrealistic in their demands.

Again Joe.....I have told you and shown you everything done by pro lifers to help women in crisis and women with children and here you sit with the same criticisms.

If there a reason why you repeat this even after I've shown you everything available to women from government programs to everything pro life outreaches do?

This is where I feel you are very one sided. You clearly have your judgements and no motivation to look into anything or acknowledge the hard and generous work people are out there doing....with their own time and their own resources....to help women and children. So its definately not about truth here it's about how you just dont like pro lifers and dont want to change your view of them.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

that's probably where he got his liking for man nut and never looked back

makes sense.. he kept dating her so he could clean up the fucking mess

 

[Biggie Smiles]

"googlectual" tho

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

fucking Joe stuffed that burtha looking motherfucker into a bag and punted his ass

 

[Joe]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

Altho maybe it happens in the sex industry or porn because the studio bosses want the woman to appear young and endlessly youthful?

What is the truth behind this issue?

Yeah... I am not comfortable with doveys claims about that. Most men force pregnancy is my experience... that is not to say there would be men thinking a baby is going to cramp their style. I have no way of proving that other than to say I know hundreds even thousands of mothers and none of them were forced into having an abortion.

I know one woman who cheated on her husband with an Asian on a holiday in Bali. I think her husband said if it was a white baby he would accept it but since it was going to be Asian, (thus proving her cheating) he wouldn't accept it so she aborted it.

The man in question married her with a child already and they shared a biological child... so a 3rd one that was dark skinned didn't fit into their plan.

No. I dont share Doveys view on that but who knows... America has a lot of selfish men. They have a lot of good dads too though like Biggie Smiles. He has a really good fatherly instinct. That is very primal.

Cascur go read some abortion trauma sites. I mean it happened to me too.

Men are not the same.

Of course my second husband who was a different kind of abuser and full blown psycho sabotaged my birth control and intentionally got me pregnant when I was not consenting to a pregnancy also happened to me.

But I kept the baby and got rid of HIM. All he accomplished was giving me more a motivation to get away from him. And my friends did try to help me get an abortion. He was the LAST person to even know I was pregnant. Friends were telling me it was reproductive rape and if I had the baby he would abuse us both and I'd be chained to him forever.

Nope! I fought that tooth and nail and won. And I did it by myself with everyone thinking I should abort and i was nuts. I have ZERO regrets. I cannot even imagine my life without that kid. Thats how I named her, too. She was nothing but a victory and a blessing.

So yeah there are unhinged men who will try to trap a woman with a baby but what normally happens is women are pressured to abort. And trapping women with pregnancies doesnt work like it did 50 years ago. Single parenthood isnt ideal by any means BUT it's not stigmatized. And it's better than executing a tiny human. And adoption is always an option....which also idnt ideal but it's better than abortion. At least with adoption grief you know the child is alive and loved.

Today on a general level men do not want the responsibility of a child or to be tied to a woman. It's not like it used to be. Its VERY easy for men to have consequence free sex with multiple women and they prefer this today. They dont want to commit or have to pay any child support.

I hear women in prison are envious of other female inmates who are or become pregnant.

Is that true @Dove?

 

[Joe]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

What is the truth behind this issue?

I don't know enough about what happens in others' intimate relationships. I don't know how anyone would have enough information to make any such claims. Anecdotal data is nowhere near being definitive.

Every man that I have ever known has been pro-choice, but I'm from a liberal state. I won't assume that what I've experienced is the be all and end all of opinion on the movement and/or abortion. I know that women I know want to control their own bodies and not have Big Government in their wombs.

A literature review might provide insight, but I'm not going to spend my time entertaining nonsense from the nonsensical posters here at BF.

But pro choice men generally never, if ever tell women to have an abortion, right?

Or are they even involved in these movements at all or in charge of them?

There are 330 million people in the US, just about half of them men. Are there men that have forced a woman to have an abortion? I'm sure there have been. Does that make it common? I tend to hope not. It's also possible that some fundy Christian has forced a woman to have a baby she didn't want. I don't know though.

No one has ever been able to make me do jack shit that I don't want to do.

I'm more inclined to think if men take away the right to have abortions, they will get much more upset than if they grant this to them.

ie - this woman had an absolute meltdown when Roe vs Wade was overturned:




Unlike the commentators in the vide,I didn't find it funny, but rather sad as if something valuable had been taken from her.

Pro-choice advocates and supporters knew this was coming. I don't understand people freaking out. I was displeased, but not freaked out.

The pro-choice movement needs to put their energy into action, not reaction.

I didn't feel that her anger was unjustified.

When the pro life lobby on the other side doesn't find a compromise and starts criminalizing women over their choices, I feel they've been have done nothing to bend on the issue.

if they are pro-life, then they should devise a non destructive strategy to lower abortions, unwanted teenage pregnancies and programs to encourage women to keep their babies while improving a mother's health. Free or subsidized daycare as well. Same time, it takes a lot of money and resources to have a birther society. However, many in the Republican party want lower taxes and to cut social services which would be incompatible with that scenario

so they are being unrealistic in their demands.

Again Joe.....I have told you and shown you everything done by pro lifers to help women in crisis and women with children and here you sit with the same criticisms.

If there a reason why you repeat this even after I've shown you everything available to women from government programs to everything pro life outreaches do?

This is where I feel you are very one sided. You clearly have your judgements and no motivation to look into anything or acknowledge the hard and generous work people are out there doing....with their own time and their own resources....to help women and children. So its definately not about truth here it's about how you just dont like pro lifers and dont want to change your view of them.

Well @Dove if these folks in the red states wanna save every baby, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.

A birther society is expensive & bountiful.

Then you have to deal with a pile of them when they become adolescents.

 

[Omnipotent]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

Altho maybe it happens in the sex industry or porn because the studio bosses want the woman to appear young and endlessly youthful?

What is the truth behind this issue?

Yeah... I am not comfortable with doveys claims about that. Most men force pregnancy is my experience... that is not to say there would be men thinking a baby is going to cramp their style. I have no way of proving that other than to say I know hundreds even thousands of mothers and none of them were forced into having an abortion.

I know one woman who cheated on her husband with an Asian on a holiday in Bali. I think her husband said if it was a white baby he would accept it but since it was going to be Asian, (thus proving her cheating) he wouldn't accept it so she aborted it.

The man in question married her with a child already and they shared a biological child... so a 3rd one that was dark skinned didn't fit into their plan.

No. I dont share Doveys view on that but who knows... America has a lot of selfish men. They have a lot of good dads too though like Biggie Smiles. He has a really good fatherly instinct. That is very primal.

Cascur go read some abortion trauma sites. I mean it happened to me too.

Men are not the same.

Of course my second husband who was a different kind of abuser and full blown psycho sabotaged my birth control and intentionally got me pregnant when I was not consenting to a pregnancy also happened to me.

But I kept the baby and got rid of HIM. All he accomplished was giving me more a motivation to get away from him. And my friends did try to help me get an abortion. He was the LAST person to even know I was pregnant. Friends were telling me it was reproductive rape and if I had the baby he would abuse us both and I'd be chained to him forever.

Nope! I fought that tooth and nail and won. And I did it by myself with everyone thinking I should abort and i was nuts. I have ZERO regrets. I cannot even imagine my life without that kid. Thats how I named her, too. She was nothing but a victory and a blessing.

So yeah there are unhinged men who will try to trap a woman with a baby but what normally happens is women are pressured to abort. And trapping women with pregnancies doesnt work like it did 50 years ago. Single parenthood isnt ideal by any means BUT it's not stigmatized. And it's better than executing a tiny human. And adoption is always an option....which also idnt ideal but it's better than abortion. At least with adoption grief you know the child is alive and loved.

Today on a general level men do not want the responsibility of a child or to be tied to a woman. It's not like it used to be. Its VERY easy for men to have consequence free sex with multiple women and they prefer this today. They dont want to commit or have to pay any child support.

I hear women in prison are envious of other female inmates who are or become pregnant.

Is that true @Dove?

It probably is. Wanting a baby and/or family is natural for women.

My mum would have dozens if she could have... one of her younger sisters never wanted any.

Most are happy with 2 or 3.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Joe, fuckoff

Go make fun of blurt or something

 

[Dove]

And it's not true at all that late term abortions are done for medical reasons. Almost none of them are.

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Abortion would be the last thing done on a pregnant woman to "save her life". We have medical advancements where women can be medically supported until the baby can be born via csec or induction.

A late term abortion takes days. People say this shit all the time.....its simply NOT true. AND we have perinatal hospice for extreme cases of a baby being incompatible with life. Which is far more humane for the baby AND the mother and has better outcomes.

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When OBs or nurses come out and say abortion is never a medical necessity(its not) they get attacked. Harrassed. Its ghastly. Because it's not about human beings at all, it's entirely about politics.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I'd still like to know why lotussnotrag isn't wailing like a wounded banshee over the fact that her beloved Portugal prohibits abortions later than 10 weeks

 

[Dove]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

What is the truth behind this issue?

I don't know enough about what happens in others' intimate relationships. I don't know how anyone would have enough information to make any such claims. Anecdotal data is nowhere near being definitive.

Every man that I have ever known has been pro-choice, but I'm from a liberal state. I won't assume that what I've experienced is the be all and end all of opinion on the movement and/or abortion. I know that women I know want to control their own bodies and not have Big Government in their wombs.

A literature review might provide insight, but I'm not going to spend my time entertaining nonsense from the nonsensical posters here at BF.

But pro choice men generally never, if ever tell women to have an abortion, right?

Or are they even involved in these movements at all or in charge of them?

There are 330 million people in the US, just about half of them men. Are there men that have forced a woman to have an abortion? I'm sure there have been. Does that make it common? I tend to hope not. It's also possible that some fundy Christian has forced a woman to have a baby she didn't want. I don't know though.

No one has ever been able to make me do jack shit that I don't want to do.

I'm more inclined to think if men take away the right to have abortions, they will get much more upset than if they grant this to them.

ie - this woman had an absolute meltdown when Roe vs Wade was overturned:




Unlike the commentators in the vide,I didn't find it funny, but rather sad as if something valuable had been taken from her.

Pro-choice advocates and supporters knew this was coming. I don't understand people freaking out. I was displeased, but not freaked out.

The pro-choice movement needs to put their energy into action, not reaction.

I didn't feel that her anger was unjustified.

When the pro life lobby on the other side doesn't find a compromise and starts criminalizing women over their choices, I feel they've been have done nothing to bend on the issue.

if they are pro-life, then they should devise a non destructive strategy to lower abortions, unwanted teenage pregnancies and programs to encourage women to keep their babies while improving a mother's health. Free or subsidized daycare as well. Same time, it takes a lot of money and resources to have a birther society. However, many in the Republican party want lower taxes and to cut social services which would be incompatible with that scenario

so they are being unrealistic in their demands.

Again Joe.....I have told you and shown you everything done by pro lifers to help women in crisis and women with children and here you sit with the same criticisms.

If there a reason why you repeat this even after I've shown you everything available to women from government programs to everything pro life outreaches do?

This is where I feel you are very one sided. You clearly have your judgements and no motivation to look into anything or acknowledge the hard and generous work people are out there doing....with their own time and their own resources....to help women and children. So its definately not about truth here it's about how you just dont like pro lifers and dont want to change your view of them.

Well @Dove if these folks in the red states wanna save every baby, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.

A birther society is expensive & bountiful.

Then you have to deal with a pile of them when they become adolescents.

Can you address my post and explain why you refuse to acknowledge everything I've shown you about what pro life outreaches do to help women and children?

They already pay for them. Have been for years. Is there a reason why you refuse to acknowledge this?

 

[Biggie Smiles]

For any cunt in Portugal that is at the 11 week in her pregnancy and wishes to be a selfish piece of shit and murder her baby can always fly to Florida to have it done

but you'd better hurry, bitch, you've only got another 4 weeks of homicidal haven

then after that, you'll have to bounce on over to California if you want to spike the babie's bottle with some arsenic with no consequence

 

[Dove]

I'd still like to know why lotussnotrag isn't wailing like a wounded banshee over the fact that her beloved Portugal prohibits abortions later than 10 week

It's because it's about politcs and they have to hate and slam anything that becomes associated with "teh right". And since this became a "Christian conservative" stance (even though it's not at ALL just Christian's and conservatives....as I've shown) it has to be dismissed and shat on.

They will not try to understand anything we say. They think we are the ones who need to change. If they think it's a "right wing" stance they immediately reject it. It's all about politcs. Not humanity or anything besides politcs.

 

[Oerdin]

Yep. The rule of thumb is if they do it once, they'll most likely do it again...

Which I why my rule has always been one and she is done. Hell, if I even heard about a chick cheating some where in her past I put her in the might fuck but no commitment category.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I'd still like to know why lotussnotrag isn't wailing like a wounded banshee over the fact that her beloved Portugal prohibits abortions later than 10 week

It's because it's about politcs and they have to hate and slam anything that becomes associated with "teh right". And since this became a "Christian conservative" stance (even though it's not at ALL just Christian's and conservatives....as I've shown) it has to be dismissed and shat on.

They will not try to understand anything we say. They think we are the ones who need to change. If they think it's a "right wing" stance they immediately reject it.

Meanwhile, go to Portugal and spew the type of Christ hating apostasy these liberal animals spew here and see if you don't wind up in someone's trunk stinking up a fucking alley somewhere

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Yep. The rule of thumb is if they do it once, they'll most likely do it again...

Which I why my rule has always been one and she is done. Hell, if I even heard about a chick cheating some where in her past I put her in the might fuck but no commitment category.

Blurt was thrilled to be lapping up sloppy seconds

for him it was fantasy firsts actually.

what a fucking creep

 

[Oerdin]

I'd still like to know why lotussnotrag isn't wailing like a wounded banshee over the fact that her beloved Portugal prohibits abortions later than 10 weeks

Logical consistency has never been her strong suit.

 

[Omnipotent]

There are a lot of people in the foster business in it for the money. As soon as the foster kid hits 18, they are kicked out because the money dries up.

The social issues we can't afford to pay for now will explode. It is so unjust to me.

Anyway... I won't be paying for them... your children will though as the national debt sky rockets under an unbearable welfare system.

As per usual the poor will get poorer and the rich will laugh at the situation thinking the poor are just a bunch of losers.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I Love the clowns who say "how many of these discarded children do you have in your home"

fucking none.

and it's staying that way. So what? That's not the fucking point here, rodent.

 

[Dove]

There are a lot of people in the foster business in it for the money. As soon as the foster kid hits 18, they are kicked out because the money dries up.

The social issues we can't afford to pay for now will explode. It is so unjust to me.

Anyway... I won't be paying for them... your children will though as the national debt sky rockets under an unbearable welfare system.

As per usual the poor will get poorer and the rich will laugh at the situation thinking the poor are just a bunch of losers.

Here in many states they will rip children out of homes over manifestations poverty that cannot be helped (calling it neglect when it's just poverty)....then place the children in a foster home and give the foster "mom" 2k a month per child.

When that 2k a month could have just be given to the actual mother and the "neglect" would be gone.

That's unjust as fuck. It's disgusting. State sanctioned child trafficking. Meanwhile children who should have been removed for actual abuse get left with abusers and sometimes killed.

CPS infuriates me.

 

[Dove]

I Love the clowns who say "how many of these discarded children do you have in your home"

fucking none.

and it's staying that way. So what? That's not the fucking point here, rodent.

I would take a baby in a heartbeat to save them from an abortuary dumpster. I would.

Even the *gasp* black ones.

Just dump them on me ffs. I'll make it work.

 

[Omnipotent]

On a scale of moron to stupid, where do you fall?

Care to actually address my post? Are you claiming that Blacks have lower rates of abortions than Whites do? Can you back that up with data?

Shes fucking stupid and hatefilled.

She thinks anything that helps black people and black families is white supremacy and we must help the black community by refusing to educate inner city children, disarming law abiding citizens so all the gang violence kills them off. Keep them poor. Keep them from getting an education and harvest their votes. Keep the violent ones out there and place an abortion mill every mile in minority areas.

Democrats are fighting "racism" they make up by killing off as many blacks as possible.

Kinda like what Canada has done to their indigenous people.

Y'know @Dove, the one thing I do resent about your invectives is that you accuse us men, particularly liberals as being the major supporters behind abortion and the abortion movement.

And yet..if you see the people who are demonstrating for the pro-choice movement, they are virtually all women, particularly young women in their 20s.

Y'know, men on the Left don't even want to tell women what to do.
Whether they should get an abortion or bear children.
The ones setting the narratives for their debate...are women.

I hardly see any men at their rallies.

For example:





I don't really wanna get involved with their politics or rationale.
In fact, I detach myself from their arguments.

My major concern is the need to address population control so that we as a species, regardless of our race, gender, nationality or age, can hold onto this planet a bit longer.

If not for ourselves, then future generations, including your daughters' who'll ultimately have to make the gut wrenching decisions that we have failed to make for them.

I can see some merits of your arguments/concerns.
ie - the destructive nature of abortions.

same time - how about getting serious about family planning and birth control so that there is much less of a need to resort to these measures?

ie - preventing unwanted pregnancies in teens?

measures to improve women's access to birth control and family planning

increased funding for violence/rape relief shelters

abolishing unfair laws which protect rapists and incestors in certain states?

providing monetary incentives to poor countries with excessive birth rates to bring their population growth rates down?

BTW, I don't just think the USA needs birth control and more family planning, the whole planet does just to save it.

You literally ignore everything that is shown to you.

And FYI? ALL the men wailing about Roe are PRO CHOICE.

I resent the fuck out you pretending the pro life movement isnt vastly female even after I've shown you over and over.

And I've addressed each of those points MORE then once and you just go on as if you didnt get any information at all.

It's seriously beyond frustrating.

No. That's not true.

I nor the vast majority of men who are pro choice, NEVER tell or advise women what they ought to think or do with respect to the abortion issue. As far as we're concerned, they own that issue.

At very worst and what you can accuse them of, is that they turn a blind eye to the issue, which I guess is condoning the practice.

However, there is no pressure from men who are pro choice on women to act.

Perhaps you experienced this, maybe this practice is prevelant in the sex industry which is a minority of incidents related to abortion. Otherwise, abortion from a pro choice pov is predominantly a woman's issue.

I clearly remember this book when it first came out:

My sister bought it in the early 70s, and it was lying around the house.

It was the Bible of the pro choice/abortionist movement.

Even men back then, men had nothing to do with that movement.

It was household names like Gloria Steinham and Germaine Greer. Susan Sontag?

They were the early leaders of that movement.

I have a really sad story to relate about a girl friend of mine called Ron, (now deceased).

Back in the 80s and after her 3rd boy was born by caesarian her husband knocked her up pretty much straight away. I went to visit her and she was crying .... she told me her doctor said she can't have another baby this close to 3 caesarians or she would die so it was recommended she terminate this 4th pregnancy.

She told me through tears she believed all babies came from God so aborting this baby was against her morals. Her husband Steve said to her he would stand by her with any decision she made and because it was life and death she had to choose abortion....

Later down the track, Rona had a daughter... so 3 boys and 1 girl....but I am never going to forget that poor distressed woman telling me her dilemma...

It was so so sad....

I feel like telling anti abortionists to just FUCK OFF because abortion issues are more than those people realise.

Actually @Omnipotent, can you verify or disprove Dovey's assertion that the pro choice movement is controlled by men or not? I'd like to hear your views on it. And while yer at it, maybe @Lily and @LotusBud can chime in with their views on Dove's claims.

I've never heard of incidents where men FORCED women to have abortions or bossed them around like that. Perhaps it happens, but I was under the impression that it was the other way around. That men boss women into having more babies.

What is the truth behind this issue?

I don't know enough about what happens in others' intimate relationships. I don't know how anyone would have enough information to make any such claims. Anecdotal data is nowhere near being definitive.

Every man that I have ever known has been pro-choice, but I'm from a liberal state. I won't assume that what I've experienced is the be all and end all of opinion on the movement and/or abortion. I know that women I know want to control their own bodies and not have Big Government in their wombs.

A literature review might provide insight, but I'm not going to spend my time entertaining nonsense from the nonsensical posters here at BF.

But pro choice men generally never, if ever tell women to have an abortion, right?

Or are they even involved in these movements at all or in charge of them?

There are 330 million people in the US, just about half of them men. Are there men that have forced a woman to have an abortion? I'm sure there have been. Does that make it common? I tend to hope not. It's also possible that some fundy Christian has forced a woman to have a baby she didn't want. I don't know though.

No one has ever been able to make me do jack shit that I don't want to do.

I'm more inclined to think if men take away the right to have abortions, they will get much more upset than if they grant this to them.

ie - this woman had an absolute meltdown when Roe vs Wade was overturned:




Unlike the commentators in the vide,I didn't find it funny, but rather sad as if something valuable had been taken from her.

Pro-choice advocates and supporters knew this was coming. I don't understand people freaking out. I was displeased, but not freaked out.

The pro-choice movement needs to put their energy into action, not reaction.

I didn't feel that her anger was unjustified.

When the pro life lobby on the other side doesn't find a compromise and starts criminalizing women over their choices, I feel they've been have done nothing to bend on the issue.

if they are pro-life, then they should devise a non destructive strategy to lower abortions, unwanted teenage pregnancies and programs to encourage women to keep their babies while improving a mother's health. Free or subsidized daycare as well. Same time, it takes a lot of money and resources to have a birther society. However, many in the Republican party want lower taxes and to cut social services which would be incompatible with that scenario

so they are being unrealistic in their demands.

Again Joe.....I have told you and shown you everything done by pro lifers to help women in crisis and women with children and here you sit with the same criticisms.

If there a reason why you repeat this even after I've shown you everything available to women from government programs to everything pro life outreaches do?

This is where I feel you are very one sided. You clearly have your judgements and no motivation to look into anything or acknowledge the hard and generous work people are out there doing....with their own time and their own resources....to help women and children. So its definately not about truth here it's about how you just dont like pro lifers and dont want to change your view of them.

Well @Dove if these folks in the red states wanna save every baby, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.

A birther society is expensive & bountiful.

Then you have to deal with a pile of them when they become adolescents.

They'll be target practice as they run through the streets burning businesses.

I am thinking they want to increase the male population ready for war.

This current generation are hooked on drugs and are wasted. There is always something insidious about these moves to socially engineer the population...

My younger realitives are breeding like flies at the moment. We had a thing in Australia after WW2, a slogan saying "populate or perish." Now women are paid 3,000 dollars to have a kid. Where was my 3,000 for having a kid?

The government's just want more soldiers to block the yellow peril quite frankly.

They don't care for your life's longevity ... just old enough to hit 18 and shoot goods and sadly I am being dead serious.

They will start stealing babies off unwed mothers like they did in the old days. We'll have all these sad lost people walking around wondering who really is their relatives..

Did you know some sick doctor in Australia donated his sperm and fathered 200 kids... the potential for meeting a half sister and mating was ENORMOUS. We had a documentary on

There are a lot of people in the foster business in it for the money. As soon as the foster kid hits 18, they are kicked out because the money dries up.

The social issues we can't afford to pay for now will explode. It is so unjust to me.

Anyway... I won't be paying for them... your children will though as the national debt sky rockets under an unbearable welfare system.

As per usual the poor will get poorer and the rich will laugh at the situation thinking the poor are just a bunch of losers.

Here in many states they will rip children out of homes over manifestations poverty that cannot be helped (calling it neglect when it's just poverty)....then place the children in a foster home and give the foster "mom" 2k a month per child.

When that 2k a month could have just be given to the actual mother and the "neglect" would be gone.

That's unjust as fuck. It's disgusting. State sanctioned child trafficking. Meanwhile children who should have been removed for actual abuse get left with abusers and sometimes killed.

CPS infuriates me.

well if it maddens you now wait a year or 2 because you are going to have 2 million extra problems on your hands.

 

[Omnipotent]

I Love the clowns who say "how many of these discarded children do you have in your home"

fucking none.

and it's staying that way. So what? That's not the fucking point here, rodent.

yes it is. most people are like you... they couldn't give a flying fuck what happens to kids after they are born.

I care about kids after they are born and whether or not they have proper childhoods.

Wait until they fleece your money even further to feed the neglected. It's coming.

 

[Joe]

Actually @Omnipotent I read somewhere that the exploding population of Indonesia poses a demographic threat to all its neighbors in your region. So they'll probably end up invading all these other countries near them including Australia when they run out of food.

 

[Oerdin]

I Love the clowns who say "how many of these discarded children do you have in your home"

fucking none.

and it's staying that way. So what? That's not the fucking point here, rodent.

yes it is. most people are like you... they couldn't give a flying fuck what happens to kids after they are born.

I care about kids after they are born and whether or not they have proper childhoods.

Wait until they fleece your money even further to feed the neglected. It's coming.

I am curious. What do you do to care for strange children?

 

[Omnipotent]

There was a woman (a very very attractive woman) in my suburb who was mental and the reason she had mental problems was because her 2 twin boys were taken off her at birth. They were born in 1975 and she wasn't married. That was 1 year before they change the law in 1976. I was able to keep my son who was the golden haired child being born 1st grandchild and 1st great grandchild in my family... he was very beautiful and highly intelligent.

I bet that woman deprived of her twins suffered immensely, well she did because she told me. I would be prapared to kill stone dead anyone talking my child off me. Shee-it, just the thought of it boils my blood right now.