Is Dovey Pregnant?

[Joe]

Whomever tells/instructs women to have abortions the pro Life crowd should start addressing the question of sustainable population growth. Your daughters won't be able to have 4 children like you did. Like it or not, be us Left or Right, we are leaving their generation with the difficult & gut wrenching decisions we and past generations we failed to.

It won't be an easy time in the world
for your daughters when they are your age @Dove.

I'm fully fine with people who believe the world is over populated being allowed to commit suicide.

I'm fully opposed to them using that argument to take authoritarian control over other human being forced to die or let their children be murdered or be forced into being sterile.

That's regime shit, Joe. People are fully capable of avoiding pregnancy and if abortion were banned we would see less unintended pregnancies because people would be much more careful. We have Plan B to help that as well which we didnt have years ago.

My biggest concern is that some people or groups think that marriage foreinstance, is a license to breed like the Duggars.

And I'm also concerned that members of your political persuasion may be against all forms on contraception and birth control. This is relevant with respect to issues such as funding family planning for poorer countries.

Republicans bitch & complain about brown & black people showing up at the Tijuana border wanting to barge into the US, but then they are also against funding birth control for them.

And why are your concerns more valid than your oppositions concerns?

Have I not addressed all of that?

So you are concerned that restricted or banned abortion will cause people to join a fringe movement like quiverfille and just crank out babies? Can you explain how that makes any sense at all? If people are gonna do that, Joe....they will do it regardless. The Duggars had all their children where abortion is legal.

Only very fringe groups oppose birth control.

And if you feel like coercion and force and abortion trauma is fringe why does your fringe matter more?

Joe American tax payers are not responsible for other countries. Why do you keep making this OUR job? To take care of other countries? WHY do we need to adopt Mexicans like pets and fund them? Really? Especailly when we could be better helping our own people?

But thats what Trump did when he was President. He cut off funding for Planned Parenthood for poorer countries because his supporters wanted him to.

I feel if we really wanna help the poorer countries it's better to provide them with billions in free contraceptives than billions in free food which will allow them to produce oversized families.

Whether you like it or aware of it, the wealthy countries including the US presently provide financial aid to poor or developing nations anyway.

 

[Dove]

Here is a man trying to "deny" a woman an abortion.



All the power is with pro abortion men.

 

[Omnipotent]

@Dove to your question about jailing the guy...

I was 15 and he was 18 so no, jail would not be fitting.

There are not enough jails to hold all the wrongs. JAILS should be for violent offenders.

My son's father wanted to marry me... my mother said NO.

Thank goodness my mother said no or I would have been stuck with a loser.

 

[Dove]

Whomever tells/instructs women to have abortions the pro Life crowd should start addressing the question of sustainable population growth. Your daughters won't be able to have 4 children like you did. Like it or not, be us Left or Right, we are leaving their generation with the difficult & gut wrenching decisions we and past generations we failed to.

It won't be an easy time in the world
for your daughters when they are your age @Dove.

I'm fully fine with people who believe the world is over populated being allowed to commit suicide.

I'm fully opposed to them using that argument to take authoritarian control over other human being forced to die or let their children be murdered or be forced into being sterile.

That's regime shit, Joe. People are fully capable of avoiding pregnancy and if abortion were banned we would see less unintended pregnancies because people would be much more careful. We have Plan B to help that as well which we didnt have years ago.

My biggest concern is that some people or groups think that marriage foreinstance, is a license to breed like the Duggars.

And I'm also concerned that members of your political persuasion may be against all forms on contraception and birth control. This is relevant with respect to issues such as funding family planning for poorer countries.

Republicans bitch & complain about brown & black people showing up at the Tijuana border wanting to barge into the US, but then they are also against funding birth control for them.

And why are your concerns more valid than your oppositions concerns?

Have I not addressed all of that?

So you are concerned that restricted or banned abortion will cause people to join a fringe movement like quiverfille and just crank out babies? Can you explain how that makes any sense at all? If people are gonna do that, Joe....they will do it regardless. The Duggars had all their children where abortion is legal.

Only very fringe groups oppose birth control.

And if you feel like coercion and force and abortion trauma is fringe why does your fringe matter more?

Joe American tax payers are not responsible for other countries. Why do you keep making this OUR job? To take care of other countries? WHY do we need to adopt Mexicans like pets and fund them? Really? Especailly when we could be better helping our own people?

But thats what Trump did when he was President. He cut off funding for Planned Parenthood for poorer countries when he was Presidenot because his supporters wanted him to.

I feel if we really wanna help the poorer countries it's better to provide them with billions in free contraceptives than billions in free food which will allow them to produce oversized families.

Whether you like it or aware of it, the wealthy countries including the US presently provide financial aid to poor or developing nations anyway.

Yes. Because that's what the people who voted for him wanted.

You know we are supposed to have representation with taxes? We are supposed to get a say in how it's used?

I dont give a shit about how other countries handle business. If I dont want my money paying for them and I want it used for our own women and children I have that right. Otherwise use your own money. Have people willingly donate for that.

I'm vehemently opposed to American taxes funding other countries.....especailly on shit that significant numbers of Americans oppose. Why should we be FORCED to fund PP? It's a political group that goes against the values of a good chunk of the country. I should get to have MY families tax contributions go towards pregnancy outreach centers instead of PP. I shouldnt be forced by an authoritarian politcal group to foot a bill for something I find disgusting.

 

[Joe]

And yet I sure see a lot of men demonstrating for the pro life crowd at their rallies @Dove. Relatively fewer men appear at pro choice rallies.

 

[Dove]

@Dove to your question about jailing the guy...

I was 15 and he was 18 so no, jail would not be fitting.

There are not enough jails to hold all the wrongs. JAILS should be for violent offenders.

My son's father wanted to marry me... my mother said NO.

Thank goodness my mother said no or I would have been stuck with a loser.

I meant the still born that was buried in the yard.

There are clauses in most states that dont charge kids who are 18 for sex with 15 year olds. The age of consent is 16 but there are circumstances that come into play with teens. Like the Romeo and Juilette clauses.

I mean it's a much different world today. When my mother was pregnant with me she was a teen. 17 years old. She was forced to drop out of school because the school wouldnt allow a pregnant student.

Today? They accommodate pregnant students. If they feel good enough for class? They are welcome. If not? They have online programs and everything. We have seen lower teen pregnancy as well.

But it's a problem that minors can be taken to abortion clinics by abusers, given abortions with no parental knowledge and released back to abusers with reports made. That's has to be dealt with instead of ignored. Even if people are "pro choice" they should still be not cool with that. But none of them give a fuck and it's really discouraging.

I dont want to hate people but this makes me hate people.

 

[Omnipotent]

I don't doubt it whatsoever. What woman in her right mind would be interested in that?

The personality traits of Incels like @The Prowler are highly noticeable.

They like to antagonize women in lieu of their lack of social skills with them & feelings of inadequacy. And then they boast about their material possessions & imaginary glamorous & non-existent lifestyle to compensate for these shortcomings. It's often due to a disability or mental illness.

The Prowler's counterpart is a guy named Eddy over at VF whom @The Countess is very familiar with & has put in his place many a time.

What about when a group of people target a woman and attempt to use real life information to lie about that woman because they cant debate her stances respectfully so they attempt to run her off a forum. And use slut shaming, a defeated drug addiction, her family, et?

What about men calling a woman an ignorant slut or disgusting pig without provocation because they cant address the point?

Why do you guys feel like all the hatefulness is acceptable? And that other people are pricks if they just take jabs right back? That's the funny part. That you guys want to be insulting and patronizing towards others without any response to that.

Kinda like how Admin does nothing....absolutely nothing. ...besides shit post and insults people but yet it's Big who responds to Admins repetitive and insulting shit posts with no mercy who is complained about.

I never do that to you @Dove.

However I do critique your arguments which is separate from attacking you the person.

I think you have to get away from the notion that a person has to agree with you 100% of the time. Sometimes I agree with you & other times I don't. Likewise sometimes I agree with the Left but other times I think they are off their rocker and lack common sense.

..but apparently so does the Right.

Joe when you give an arguement that is factually wrong and I'm showing you why its wrong.....and you ignore it and just stick with the same arguments it's really frustrating and yes....kinda insulting Joe.

And then when you do that and tell ME that I'm the one who expects 100 percent agreement it's pretty frustrating. Because I'm watching you ignore and dismiss critical info because you dont want to alter your stance.

Everyone has biases and blind spots but today too many people dont want to recognize their own. On an intellectual level we are handicapped as fuck. Normally you are able to be very balanced but certain things you really go off a bias deep end and become very hard to talk to.

But I feel you have made some factually incorrect statements about abortion. Namely that men usually control the pro choice debate and pressure women to have abortions.

I think a number of women in this forum have disagreed with you on this point.

And that's not factually incorrect at all. I'm literally one of those women. 3 or 4 leftwing proabortion women do not cancel out thousands of women who lived that.

And I've shown you 5 forums full of women talking about how they were pressured by the male and/or their families to get abortions.

It's a huge misogynist problem where any negative impact of abortion is completely ignored and screeched over. Oak just posted about how women grieve adoption as a way of saying "these women should have aborted and if they suffered after abortion that's okay".

You got your narratives and you wont accept any thing outside of it.

Also I showed you it was men who started NARAL and recruited feminists to market abortion. I also showed you who started and heads the pro life movement. So how is that factually wrong when i literally posted facts?

That's the thing, you wont hear or look at anything that supports what I'm saying.

Basic logic and understanding the culture we are in alone should tell you that men are absolutely not trying to "control" women and make them have children. That's unhinged and false. Modern men do NOT want to be tied down with a pregnant woman in todays hook up culture.

You agree with legal abortion and you are trying to make arguments about women in general that do NOT fit women in general. You are pretty much canceling out all women who do not fit into your view of abortion. Which is something abortion activists do the most. That's activist thinking.

I personally don't agree to abortion after the 1st trimester unless it is on medical grounds.

I don't emotionalize pregnancy. I know too many women whose babies died in the 3rd trimester and they had to go through a real delivery... and a few full term stillborns too...

I think women who carry on about losing early pregnancy are embarrassing themselves. I like that women wait a healthy length of time before declaring they are pregnant and they that in case something does go wrong.

It is a very joyful time expecting a healthy WANTED child but not everyone fits in that box.

You'll see...sadly.

I thought about this a lot and I tried and tried to come up with the best prevention plan and if they really want the reduction of the abortion problem then men have to take 100% of the blame and pay for it accordingly. If they are held account by not wearing protection then THEY should be fined or something... they need a deterrent.

If every baby aborted was instead adopted out there would still be people waiting to adopt. They are all wanted.

And people are already going on sex strikes and talking about how to make sure they dont get pregnant. Men getting vasectomies. Women doubling up on birth control.

So it's already working, really.

That is good... STDs will start lowering too then....

Prevention is the key..

Everyone wants to find their soul mate, make a nest... have a couple kids and live happily ever after.

If only it really worked out that way.

Well there always a romantic comedy or two, to watch.

 

[Dove]

And yet I sure see a lot of men demonstrating for the pro life crowd at their rallies @Dove. Relatively fewer men appear at pro choice rallies.

I don't and I've been pro life for 20 years. The only men who care about this are all Christian's. Or a small amount of conservatives.

The rest either say "well....I dont have a uterus so it's not my issue" or they are pro abortion.

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Joe men want to fuck. That's reality. Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

 

[Dove]

I don't doubt it whatsoever. What woman in her right mind would be interested in that?

The personality traits of Incels like @The Prowler are highly noticeable.

They like to antagonize women in lieu of their lack of social skills with them & feelings of inadequacy. And then they boast about their material possessions & imaginary glamorous & non-existent lifestyle to compensate for these shortcomings. It's often due to a disability or mental illness.

The Prowler's counterpart is a guy named Eddy over at VF whom @The Countess is very familiar with & has put in his place many a time.

What about when a group of people target a woman and attempt to use real life information to lie about that woman because they cant debate her stances respectfully so they attempt to run her off a forum. And use slut shaming, a defeated drug addiction, her family, et?

What about men calling a woman an ignorant slut or disgusting pig without provocation because they cant address the point?

Why do you guys feel like all the hatefulness is acceptable? And that other people are pricks if they just take jabs right back? That's the funny part. That you guys want to be insulting and patronizing towards others without any response to that.

Kinda like how Admin does nothing....absolutely nothing. ...besides shit post and insults people but yet it's Big who responds to Admins repetitive and insulting shit posts with no mercy who is complained about.

I never do that to you @Dove.

However I do critique your arguments which is separate from attacking you the person.

I think you have to get away from the notion that a person has to agree with you 100% of the time. Sometimes I agree with you & other times I don't. Likewise sometimes I agree with the Left but other times I think they are off their rocker and lack common sense.

..but apparently so does the Right.

Joe when you give an arguement that is factually wrong and I'm showing you why its wrong.....and you ignore it and just stick with the same arguments it's really frustrating and yes....kinda insulting Joe.

And then when you do that and tell ME that I'm the one who expects 100 percent agreement it's pretty frustrating. Because I'm watching you ignore and dismiss critical info because you dont want to alter your stance.

Everyone has biases and blind spots but today too many people dont want to recognize their own. On an intellectual level we are handicapped as fuck. Normally you are able to be very balanced but certain things you really go off a bias deep end and become very hard to talk to.

But I feel you have made some factually incorrect statements about abortion. Namely that men usually control the pro choice debate and pressure women to have abortions.

I think a number of women in this forum have disagreed with you on this point.

And that's not factually incorrect at all. I'm literally one of those women. 3 or 4 leftwing proabortion women do not cancel out thousands of women who lived that.

And I've shown you 5 forums full of women talking about how they were pressured by the male and/or their families to get abortions.

It's a huge misogynist problem where any negative impact of abortion is completely ignored and screeched over. Oak just posted about how women grieve adoption as a way of saying "these women should have aborted and if they suffered after abortion that's okay".

You got your narratives and you wont accept any thing outside of it.

Also I showed you it was men who started NARAL and recruited feminists to market abortion. I also showed you who started and heads the pro life movement. So how is that factually wrong when i literally posted facts?

That's the thing, you wont hear or look at anything that supports what I'm saying.

Basic logic and understanding the culture we are in alone should tell you that men are absolutely not trying to "control" women and make them have children. That's unhinged and false. Modern men do NOT want to be tied down with a pregnant woman in todays hook up culture.

You agree with legal abortion and you are trying to make arguments about women in general that do NOT fit women in general. You are pretty much canceling out all women who do not fit into your view of abortion. Which is something abortion activists do the most. That's activist thinking.

I personally don't agree to abortion after the 1st trimester unless it is on medical grounds.

I don't emotionalize pregnancy. I know too many women whose babies died in the 3rd trimester and they had to go through a real delivery... and a few full term stillborns too...

I think women who carry on about losing early pregnancy are embarrassing themselves. I like that women wait a healthy length of time before declaring they are pregnant and they that in case something does go wrong.

It is a very joyful time expecting a healthy WANTED child but not everyone fits in that box.

You'll see...sadly.

I thought about this a lot and I tried and tried to come up with the best prevention plan and if they really want the reduction of the abortion problem then men have to take 100% of the blame and pay for it accordingly. If they are held account by not wearing protection then THEY should be fined or something... they need a deterrent.

If every baby aborted was instead adopted out there would still be people waiting to adopt. They are all wanted.

And people are already going on sex strikes and talking about how to make sure they dont get pregnant. Men getting vasectomies. Women doubling up on birth control.

So it's already working, really.

That is good... STDs will start lowering too then....

Prevention is the key..

Everyone wants to find their soul mate, make a nest... have a couple kids and live happily ever after.

If only it really worked out that way.

Well there always a romantic comedy or two, to watch.

Its rough for sure.

The worst is watching women bend themselves to be what they think men want and becoming LIKE men.

It's not natural for women to have sex without developing feelings of attachment. Our brains literally release bonding hormones when we have sex. But culture tells us women should be able to be the biological normative of men or we are weak.

 

[Dove]

These are the men who we are supposed to view as our oppressors and enemies.



While we applaud pro abortion men who want to use women for sex and want to send any life he creates to a medical waste dumpster.

I always refused to sleep with pro abortion men. And yes I have no problem making that clear to males before i decide to start regularly sleeping with them. When I was single of course.

I also taught my daughters because honestly men who oppose abortion are just better partners. They view you as a whole human and are more likely to stay and build an actual family. Men who wimp out by saying "it's not my body" probably are not going to be reliable. Or full blown bro choicers who are usually emotionally abusive and selfish.

There are always individuals. If it doesnt apply let it fly. I'm just pointing out flags.

 

[Omnipotent]

@Dove to your question about jailing the guy...

I was 15 and he was 18 so no, jail would not be fitting.

There are not enough jails to hold all the wrongs. JAILS should be for violent offenders.

My son's father wanted to marry me... my mother said NO.

Thank goodness my mother said no or I would have been stuck with a loser.

I meant the still born that was buried in the yard.

There are clauses in most states that dont charge kids who are 18 for sex with 15 year olds. The age of consent is 16 but there are circumstances that come into play with teens. Like the Romeo and Juilette clauses.

I mean it's a much different world today. When my mother was pregnant with me she was a teen. 17 years old. She was forced to drop out of school because the school wouldnt allow a pregnant student.

Today? They accommodate pregnant students. If they feel good enough for class? They are welcome. If not? They have online programs and everything. We have seen lower teen pregnancy as well.

But it's a problem that minors can be taken to abortion clinics by abusers, given abortions with no parental knowledge and released back to abusers with reports made. That's has to be dealt with instead of ignored. Even if people are "pro choice" they should still be not cool with that. But none of them give a fuck and it's really discouraging.

I dont want to hate people but this makes me hate people.

All the laws you are talking about are relatively NEW... in the old days, (my mums days) you had be 21 to do anything... gamble drink, sign contracts, have sex, whatever. Everything YOUR generation have now had to be fought for by my mums generation. It wasn't handed to us.

Hundred of years ago (or maybe a bit further back) you were NOT allowed to divorce. You would have been MADE to stay with your first husband.

Only very, very rich people could afford to divorce.

You have freedom but someone had pay for it somewhere along the line.... and they were all considered lefties that caused the movements from giving girls an education to being allowed to leave your home to work.

 

[Dove]

@Dove to your question about jailing the guy...

I was 15 and he was 18 so no, jail would not be fitting.

There are not enough jails to hold all the wrongs. JAILS should be for violent offenders.

My son's father wanted to marry me... my mother said NO.

Thank goodness my mother said no or I would have been stuck with a loser.

I meant the still born that was buried in the yard.

There are clauses in most states that dont charge kids who are 18 for sex with 15 year olds. The age of consent is 16 but there are circumstances that come into play with teens. Like the Romeo and Juilette clauses.

I mean it's a much different world today. When my mother was pregnant with me she was a teen. 17 years old. She was forced to drop out of school because the school wouldnt allow a pregnant student.

Today? They accommodate pregnant students. If they feel good enough for class? They are welcome. If not? They have online programs and everything. We have seen lower teen pregnancy as well.

But it's a problem that minors can be taken to abortion clinics by abusers, given abortions with no parental knowledge and released back to abusers with reports made. That's has to be dealt with instead of ignored. Even if people are "pro choice" they should still be not cool with that. But none of them give a fuck and it's really discouraging.

I dont want to hate people but this makes me hate people.

All the laws you are talking about are relatively NEW... in the old days, (my mums days) you had be 21 to do anything... gamble drink, sign contracts, have sex, whatever. Everything YOUR generation have now had to be fought for by my mums generation. It wasn't handed to us.

Hundred of years ago (or maybe a bit further back) you were NOT allowed to divorce. You would have been MADE to stay with your first husband.

Only very, very rich people could afford to divorce.

You have freedom but someone had pay for it somewhere along the line.... and they were all considered lefties that caused the movements from giving girls an education to being allowed to leave your home to work.

Yes I'm fully aware of all of this. That's why I'm saying it's a much differently world today.

Women are legitimately losing our rights and many of them are actually supporting it.....and it has nothing to do with Roe or abortion.

The feminist movement in America were federalists. Republican. The second wave is where it started getting dicey and associated with the left. Today that left is turning "woman" into an identity that any man can put on, forcing women to share prison cells with rapists and giving away all the rights and protections women fought for.

We have gone so far into the other direction that once again women are losing rights and being raped and abused and it's being treated like nothing.

We didnt need to go so far as to further fracture the family unit and crumble society and devalue life. It's just ghastly today.

 

[Joe]

And yet I sure see a lot of men demonstrating for the pro life crowd at their rallies @Dove. Relatively fewer men appear at pro choice rallies.

I don't and I've been pro life for 20 years. The only men who care about this are all Christian's. Or a small amount of conservatives.

The rest either say "well....I dont have a uterus so it's not my issue" or they are pro abortion.

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Joe men want to fuck. That's reality. Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

Well if that be the case, don't you think there are also a lot of women who want to fuck with no real life consequences?

Ie - The office girl who shacks up on the weekend & her purse is filled with contraceptive devices and pills. Yes there are a lot of woman who love and crave sex too @Dove. I remember this when as a limo driver when I drove cars full of them to their weekend romps to meet their boyfriends so they could screw drink & have fun. And they were sure proud of themselves when they got out if the car with their heads tuned high.

And they'd openly talk about their pussys and what turned them on.

You have an extremely 1 sided narrative & you always stack your biases against men.

 

[Dove]

And yet I sure see a lot of men demonstrating for the pro life crowd at their rallies @Dove. Relatively fewer men appear at pro choice rallies.

I don't and I've been pro life for 20 years. The only men who care about this are all Christian's. Or a small amount of conservatives.

The rest either say "well....I dont have a uterus so it's not my issue" or they are pro abortion.

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Joe men want to fuck. That's reality. Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

Well if that be the case, don't you think there are also a lot of women who want to fuck with no real life consequences?

Ie - The office girl who shacks up on the weekend & her purse is filled with contraceptive devices and pills. Yes there are a lot of woman who love and crave sex too @Dove. I remember this when as a limo driver when I drove cars full of them to their weekend romps so they could screw drink & have fun. And they were sure proud of themselves when they got out if the car with their heads tuned high.

You have an extremely 1 sided narrative & you always stack your biases against men.

Educate me about women and sex, Joe. I am but an inexperienced and sexless borderline Amish prude. Incredible.

It's not about you, Joe. You are actively rejecting information based on your biases while accusing ME of doing that because I'm having the audacity of pointing out a dynamic created that you find personally insulting for some reason.

Wait until you find who commits the vast amount of violent sexual crimes against women.

Women are usually pretty good at avoiding pregnancy when theyve made it a priority.

Men could help this process out by getting vasectomies if they do not want children and wearing condoms without begging to not wear condoms. Because men put a lot of effort into avoiding condoms and that's just the truth.

You are doing that thing where you dont like what's being said and you are trying to push a one sided narrative while accusing me of pushing a one sided narrative when I'm just repeating what actually happens a good chunk of the time. If that makes you feel accused it really shouldnt.

Have you ever had a sexual relationship with a man?

 

[Joe]

Men could help this process out by getting vasectomies if they do not want children and wearing condoms without begging to not wear condoms. Because men put a lot of effort into avoiding condoms and that's just the truth.

But that is already happening in your country Dove. Since the USSC ruling came down, now the clinics are swamped with requests for vasectomies and hysterectomies.




Your side has instilled so much fear, guilt and paranoia into others that your fellow Americans are acting accordingly. So instead of seeing the Courts as an institution which protects them, now they perceive it as one which will punish them.

You're getting exactly what you wish @Dove. You're winning. You're sterilizing an entire generation of young men who might otherwise be good future Dads or possibly sperm donors.

If it turns America into a theocratic police state all the better I suppose.

 

[RAVEN]

Even tho I am pro-choice, I'd like to see more women crying about laws that affect "women's rights" on other issues. For example, men playing women's/girl's sports and breaking records where women/girls can't compete on a level playing field.. WTF??? Also, men who "identify" as women being allowed in women's spaces etc... But nope, you don't hear a peep about anything else BUT abortion. :/

 

[Dove]

And yet I sure see a lot of men demonstrating for the pro life crowd at their rallies @Dove. Relatively fewer men appear at pro choice rallies.

I don't and I've been pro life for 20 years. The only men who care about this are all Christian's. Or a small amount of conservatives.

The rest either say "well....I dont have a uterus so it's not my issue" or they are pro abortion.

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Joe men want to fuck. That's reality. Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

Well if that be the case, don't you think there are also a lot of women who want to fuck with no real life consequences?

Ie - The office girl who shacks up on the weekend & her purse is filled with contraceptive devices and pills. Yes there are a lot of woman who love and crave sex too @Dove. I remember this when as a limo driver when I drove cars full of them to their weekend romps so they could screw drink & have fun. And they were sure proud of themselves when they got out if the car with their heads tuned high.

You have an extremely 1 sided narrative & you always stack your biases against men.

Educate me about women and sex, Joe. I am but an inexperienced and sexless borderline Amish prude. Incredible.

It's not about you, Joe. You are actively rejecting information based on your biases while accusing ME of doing that because I'm having the audacity of pointing out a dynamic created that you find personally insulting for some reason.

Wait until you find who commits the vast amount of violent sexual crimes against women.

Women are usually pretty good at avoiding pregnancy when theyve made it a priority.

Men could help this process out by getting vasectomies if they do not want children and wearing condoms without begging to not wear condoms. Because men put a lot of effort into avoiding condoms and that's just the truth.

But that is already happening in your country Dove. Since the USSC ruling came down, now the clinics are swamped with requests for vasectomies and hysterectomies.




Your side has instilled so much fear, guilt and paranoia into others that your fellow Americans are acting accordingly. So instead of seeing the Courts as an institution which protects them, now they perceive it as one which will punish them.

You're getting exactly what you wish @Dove. You're winning. You're sterilizing an entire generation of young men who might otherwise be good future Dads or possibly sperm donors.

If it turns America into a theocratic police state all the better I suppose.

It's actually YOUR side sterilizing a generation of people by forcing parents to allow puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to minors who are too young to be making those decisions.

People who are taking pro active measures to prevent pregnancy so we are not inhumanely killing human beings is a GOOD THING Joe. I'm glad to see that.

I dont care if poorly informed left wing extremists are "scared" because they can no longer use the federal government to force their values on every state.

Every single objective person understands why Roe was always a bad ruling that stepped on state rights and is glad to see balance return.

If you think the federal government doing their job is a problem.....you have extremist views about what kind of country the US is. We are a federation of states under a Constitution that protects individual rights and liberties and the only time the USSC should step in is when state laws actually violate a constitutional right. That's it.

It's not some activist tool that should be used by politcal parties to ram their values and solutions down the throats of every person. I've said this before.....politcs are not a thing on the SCOTUS. Only the constitution matters there. Their job is not to legislate.

 

[Joe]

Even tho I am pro-choice, I'd like to see more women crying about laws that affect "women's rights" on other issues. For example, men playing women's/girl's sports and breaking records where women/girls can't compete on a level playing field.. WTF??? Also, men who "identify" as women being allowed in women's spaces etc... But nope, you don't hear a peep about anything else BUT abortion. :/

As I said before @RAVEN I support the creation of a legal/3rd gender for trans types to keep them out of womens prisons and sanctuaries.

Some countries already have that such as India. But they are not confused as women either.

Truth be known past civilizations had these types with their own legal recognition or status and they were frequently mentioned in the Bible. They have always been around and the denial of their existence only came about in the last 150 years.

But they were accepted right up until the 1920s in nations like the last Chinese Monarchy and the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Dove]

Even tho I am pro-choice, I'd like to see more women crying about laws that affect "women's rights" on other issues. For example, men playing women's/girl's sports and breaking records where women/girls can't compete on a level playing field.. WTF??? Also, men who "identify" as women being allowed in women's spaces etc... But nope, you don't hear a peep about anything else BUT abortion. :/

Women are being forced to share prison cells with rapists males. All a man has to do is "identify" as a woman and he is one. He can use all our spaces and women who fight back are called terfs and transphobes.

This is negatively impacting women and girls in every western country and there are many feminists groups fighting. We dont see them because the mainstream media ignores them. Anything that doesnt push the dem/prog values and goals is just ignored and villanized. Hence the hysterics about Roe and the total silence of prison rape and assaults and how woman now has no legal definition.

 

[Dove]

Even tho I am pro-choice, I'd like to see more women crying about laws that affect "women's rights" on other issues. For example, men playing women's/girl's sports and breaking records where women/girls can't compete on a level playing field.. WTF??? Also, men who "identify" as women being allowed in women's spaces etc... But nope, you don't hear a peep about anything else BUT abortion. :/

As I said before @RAVEN I support the creation of a legal/3rd gender for trans types to keep them out of womens prisons and sanctuaries.

Some countries already have that such as India. But they are not confused as women either.

Truth be known past civilizations had these types with their own legal recognition or status and they were frequently mentioned in the Bible.

They dont want that, Joe. They demand being women. The motto is "transwomen are women" and that's final lest you be a terf or transphobe.

 

[Joe]

Even tho I am pro-choice, I'd like to see more women crying about laws that affect "women's rights" on other issues. For example, men playing women's/girl's sports and breaking records where women/girls can't compete on a level playing field.. WTF??? Also, men who "identify" as women being allowed in women's spaces etc... But nope, you don't hear a peep about anything else BUT abortion. :/

As I said before @RAVEN I support the creation of a legal/3rd gender for trans types to keep them out of womens prisons and sanctuaries.

Some countries already have that such as India. But they are not confused as women either.

Truth be known past civilizations had these types with their own legal recognition or status and they were frequently mentioned in the Bible.

They dont want that, Joe. They demand being women. The motto is "transwomen are women" and that's final lest you be a terf or transphobe.

I don't share that pov however.

People who create their own artificial gender should get their own institutions instead of stealing someone else's.

I think that's what the recent world body of swimming ruling more or less implied

 

[Omnipotent]

I am watching Lady c. @Dove ... today's left have lost their way. They protest for protests sake.

I read all this later.

 

[Joe]

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

Dove here is a video about Abortion support services in Canada:




Now...how many men do you see at these clinics or workshops which support women getting abortions?

0. Not 1. Not even a trans female

They're all women right from the clinicians up to the legal support services. At least in Canada, men have nothing to do with providing counselling or abortion care.

We have nothing to do with the decision makING process as it should be.

So maybe these aren't yer preferred kinda women, but it is women who are running the show here.

 

[Dove]

It's been a stereotype for a long time that men "want to control women" by what.....supporting them as human beings and mothers? Controling women is being able to fuck all the women you want with no real life consequences.

Dove here is a video about Abortion support services in Canada:




Now...how many men do you see at these clinics or workshops which support women getting abortions?

0. Not 1. Not even a trans female

They're all women right from the clinicians up to the legal support services. At least in Canada, men have nothing to do with providing counselling or abortion care.

We have nothing to do with the decision makING process as it should be.

So maybe these aren't yer preferred kinda women, but I is women who are running the show here.

Joe.....that's statistically not true. Most all physicians who do abortions in Canada are men.

And I'm sure that just like here in the US....the male that got them pregnant doesnt want them to let the baby live.

Have you spoken to any women who are considering abortion? I do at LEAST once a month. My church has people (now here is where the men who oppose abortion are involved) who go to abortion clinics to offer help to women. I've been out there myself many times. I dont go now because my baby became a toddler and I will not take her out there.....but my number gets given to women when they are interested in talking to another women who has had one.

Most ALL of the women I have spoken to either outside of the clinic or over text message do not feel like they have a choice. Interesting wording, isnt it? And many many times the male who impregnated her DOESNT want her to have the baby. So she feels defeated. Beaten down. Sometimes exactly how I felt.....like if I didnt get the abortion I was dumb and irresponsible and selfish even.

 

[Joe]

Joe.....that's statistically not true. Most all physicians who do abortions in Canada are men.

I'm not so sure about that.

I think most new doctors are women in Canada are women now. And there's a much greater chance that if a women in Canada has an appointment with an obgyn, it will be a female doctor

 

[DDT]

I took my cousin in for an aborty years back, and the Doc was male.

 

[Dove]

Joe.....that's statistically not true. Most all physicians who do abortions in Canada are men.

I'm not so sure about that.

I think most new doctors are women in Canada are women now. And there's a much greater chance that if a women in Canada has an appointment with an obgyn, it will be a female doctor

All you need to do is look it up, Joe. You know that's documented info, right?

And doctors who do abortions are technically "OB-Gyns" but they really only do abortions. They dont do prenatal care or deliveries or surgeries that dont involve destroying a fetal human being.

And it's not too hard to understand why. Abortion doctors are looked down on in the medical feild. It's an unspoken thing and they all know it.

A nurse who worked for PP is gonna have a hard time getting hired anywhere else. That's why Abby Johnson has her outreach to help people LEAVE the abortion industry.

 

[Dove]

I took my cousin in for an aborty years back, and the Doc was male.

***LONG POST alert***story about a psycho friend I had years ago****

I had a friend who was a total fucking wack job. She was a pathological liar. Narcissistic. Just a psycho.

She met some guy online who lived in NC. And he came to MI for a few weeks. It went well the first few weeks and she ended up going to NC to meet his people.

Well this guy was divorced and his ex wife was a drunk. And abusive. So he had trauma and some pretty strong boundaries with alcohol. Which was totally reasonable and healthy.

Well I guess my friend got HAMMERED. And had a few extreme emotional episodes with him that left him pretty shook. He ended up telling her that really made him very uncomfortable and he wanted to then start pumping the breaks and go slower. Now he wasnt totally cutting her off but he wanted to pull back a bit. This man also has a daughter who he has total custody of. So the last thing this guy wants is to bring some psycho woman in to further traumatize him and his daughter.

Well my friend went total over the edge. She wrote him this 20 paragraph super emotional e mail. She showed it to me first and I told her .....do NOT send this. There is no way that man is gonna read that whole thing and he is gonna scam it and see nothing but reasons to block her. It was intense, highly manipulative....just awful. So of course she fucking sent it. So I told her "Okay. Now just let it ride. Wait for him to respond".

3 days later no response. Predictably right? So what does she do? Sends another LONGER one. The next day? Tells him shes PREGNANT.

Now at this time I was going through my kidney surgery where I had a tube shoved into my back and I was dating the man I'm currently married to and i was also addicted to my pain killers. So i had a shit ton of my own problems. And shes text bombing me about this pregnancy. And I KNEW it was a lie.

The guy never contacted her. Not even to answer the "im pregnant" shit. So she gets even more nuts and starts telling him shes aborting it. Then she actually asked ME to drive her to an abortion clinic.

Of course I'm not gonna do that. I told her no. She knew my stances on this. I told her I would help her in anyway I could and I'd drive her anywhere EXCEPT that. That if she was bent on that she was gonna have to be on her own with that.

So she blew up and became verbally abusive. Told me I only care about myself. Reamed me out for being sick while ....in her words....she "had a baby hanging out of her" (because she magically miscarried and was describing the remains as if she was like 25 weeks along).

My husband actually took my phone out of my hands, texted "Good night *friends name*, this is over and I'm blocking you" and blocked her from every avenue of contacting me and TOLD me "you are not talking to this person anymore. I'm serious"

It was fucking mental. And I feel like she asked me that on purpose just because she wanted to gain SOME sort of control over SOMEONE and since this man wasnt responding she directed her narc injury at me. So she was attacking boundaries.

And nope....I wasnt mad that my now husband intervened and went into my business and made that decision for me. I was sick and a mess and I used to be a big people pleaser and had a problem with feeling overly responsible for other peoples feelings.

I was mostly friends with her because of sympathy and she did have a rough home life. And she would really cling and I felt like it was because she didnt really have anyone. I knew her in middle school. It was one of those we go months and months....sometimes a few years without talking and then pick back up. She really was a wacky pathological liar and never formed any real genuine relationships. But I felt bad for her.

Every single man she would hook up with she would accuse of abuse. EVERY one. In the beginning they were always soul mates and it would take exactly a year for her to be accusing them on abuse. In reality she was the abuser. She would isolate these men. She always hated their families. Their friends. She would use suicide threats. She would have these extreme rape stories and blame her abuse of THEM on her rape trauma. She told this guy she had been held hostage in a basement and tortured and raped for 8 months. Even took him to some random house and said that was the one. Sat out there and had this emotional episode.....all a show.

I met my husband through her. So she felt like she could manipulate our relationship....like she had a say in it? She pissed him off a few months before this drama because she started texting him all this stuff about me and my PTSD and my divorces. He decided she was a jealous scum bag. Him and I met in person after a few months of texting when I lived in Florida. When I got home him and I were inseparable. And she hated it. So she was always doing this "go between" shit.

But that abortion drama she flung on me while i tube in my back was the breaking point for him. He was completely disgusted. It took me a bit longer to he angry that she actually asked me to drive her for an abortion KNOWING how against it I am. And then turn it all on me. While FAKING a pregnancy. It wasnt even real.

He still cringes if she comes up in convo. He said he always sensed she was a nut. So he had zero tolerance when the nutty shit started up. He has an excellent "crazy bitch" radar and hasnt been wrong yet.

I have another friend who has had 6 abortions. One of them was a 2nd trimester abortion and it was devastating. Shes never tried to involve me but I have been there for her to the point where she wanted me and my husband to adopt the last baby she was pregnant with. She found a younger couple in another state and it turned out perfectly. I told her if we did this we would have to go our separate ways or attend some sort of counseling so that it wouldnt be traumatic for her and confusing for the little girl. It really was the best for the baby to go with another couple out of state.

It's all open so she gets pictures and everything. She has given 3 babies up for adoption. Had 6 abortions. Had 3 children with her husband (who is now an ex). Shes really been through it. I love her so much though and I'm really proud of how well shes recovered from her addiction issues and got her life together. She deeply grieves all 6 of her abortions. And yes shes sterilized now. She had a tubal right after the birth of that baby girl.

The crazy one is in Maryland faking a brain injury, staying in a wheel chair for no known medical reasons, pretending she had DID and exists as a "the system" and collects disability benefits with a state appointed payee. It's so incredibly pathetic. My husband just says that "figures" lol. She makes Amazon lists and asks people on her friends list to buy her stuff off of it for her. She was hitting people up for cat supplies. Her cat needed litter and food so she made an amazon list and begged on socail media and when I looked on it (I LOVE cats) she had picked the most expensive shit and had stuff on there like a 300 dollar cat tree, some 60 dollar cat brush....a whole ton of cat stuff that was not an emergency need at all.

One day she posted a 3 bedroom house and was asking people to donate to buy it. A 3 bedroom house that was fucking 280k. Like people are just gonna buy her a 280k 3 bedroom house

Anyway my whole family is currently at the cabin and I'm stuck here with my mother so I'm probably gonna spit out some long posts. I'll be alright when my husband comes home and I can have nonreproductive sex for the first time since Roe has been overturned.

 

[Blurt]

If it cannot survive, it is only a potential life.

That is completely factually FALSE.

A "potential life" would be a fertilized egg that didnt implant. Or a wasted gamete.

I was in a high school band by that name, "The Wasted Gametes." I played the English horn and the glockenspiel.

We had a local hit called "Onanists Anonymous."

 

[Dove]

If it cannot survive, it is only a potential life.

That is completely factually FALSE.

A "potential life" would be a fertilized egg that didnt implant. Or a wasted gamete.

I was in a high school band by that name, "The Wasted Gametes." I played the English horn and the glockenspiel.

We had a local hit called "Onanists Anonymous."

I sang in a "garage band" in high school.

We covered songs from a band from the 90s called Live.





I dont remeber what we called it.