Should Large US Corporations be forced to compensate inmates for Prison Labor with Company Shares or Employment after release?

[Joe]

...personally, I think they should.

Most of them receive .12 or .13 cents per hour which these Corporations profit heavily from.




If they're not gonna pay them a decent wage and are getting something for free, I think these prisoners should receive compensation in the form of company shares. This would provide them with a cushion when after they are released. They could either sell the shares, keep them, build a retirement fund. But it would prepare them for life on 'the Outside' after incarceration.

For too long these corporations have been using Slave Labor to fatten their profits under the guise of 'worker retraining' or rehabilitation.

Actually I think that is a pile of garbage.

But if these corporations think this arrangement is fair, then at very least they should offer skilled inmates permanent jobs when they get out of prison.

Any thoughts on this?

Feel free to agree or disagree.

Post your comments here.

 

[Admin.]

Not in MAGA America where plantations were repurposed as “Prisons”

 

[Edgar Friendly]

That should be flatly illegal, and those who engineered that situation should be tried and, if convicted, face prison time themselves.

 

[Joe]

That should be flatly illegal, and those who engineered that situation should be tried and, if convicted, face prison time themselves.

I think paying the Prisoners in Company shares would be a good idea.

Instead of .12 cents an hour, with good behaviour, steady work habits and quality work, the Prisoner could get the equivalent paid in MIcrosoft, McDonald's, Victoria Secret shares whichever company uses prison labor.

The whole idea of prison really is to rehabilitate the inmate so upon release, they won't re-offend.

What good does it do, to have them performing prison labor and when they come out, they don't have any money or anything of value to re-start their lives? Of course that makes them more susceptible to re-offend. Plus if they come out skilled, trained in a trade, but can't find a job upon release, they're more prone to going back to a life of crime.

If someone works 40 hours a week 50-52 weeks of the year in prison, at least compensate 'em in shares.

 

[Admin.]

prison slavery is embedded in our constitution 13th amendment section 1

 

[Joe]

prison slavery is embedded in our constitution 13th amendment section 1

Bill Gates markets himself as this Benevolent Capitalist & Humanitarian, and yet the company he started or owns significant shares in uses prison labor.



It's like painting a pretty face on an Ugly Soul

Gates should practice what he preaches.

 

[Admin.]

Bill Gates markets himself as this Benevolent Capitalist & Humanitarian, and yet the company he started or owns significant shares in uses prison labor.



It's like painting a pretty face on an Ugly Soul

Not all prison work projects are hard labor punishment, many are geared for developing social and job skills to help them succeed after lockup

 

[Lily]

...personally, I think they should.

Most of them receive .12 or .13 cents per hour which these Corporations profit heavily from.




If they're not gonna pay them a decent wage and are getting something for free, I think these prisoners should receive compensation in the form of company shares. This would provide them with a cushion when after they are released. They could either sell the shares, keep them, build a retirement fund. But it would prepare them for life on 'the Outside' after incarceration.

For too long these corporations have been using Slave Labor to fatten their profits under the guise of 'worker retraining' or rehabilitation.

Actually I think that is a pile of garbage.

But if these corporations think this arrangement is fair, then at very least they should offer skilled inmates permanent jobs when they get out of prison.

Any thoughts on this?

Feel free to agree or disagree.

Post your comments here.

Modern day slavery.

 

[Joe]

Not all prison work projects are hard labor punishment, many are geared for developing social and job skills to help them succeed after lockup

But still I think if prisoners can produce quality products which are actually good enough to be sold in the market place, they are actually making professional products that meet the market standard.

so if they're not going to be paid in $, then they should get company shares.

Seems like a pittance to these corporations, because in reality, they can always produce more shares by splitting them.

so, in reality, it's no sweat off their backs.

 

[Joe]

Modern day slavery.

I don't think paying these prisoners in company shares would actually cost the corporations anything.

If they manufacture shares all the time, they should do it for prisoners who make quality products for them and generate profits.

It's like if you did something for me, and I said you can have some non voting shares in my company, so i just make them up.


either that or actual products my company produces. ie Microsoft should give them free software

 

[Lily]

I don't think paying these prisoners in company shares would actually cost the corporations anything.

If they manufacture shares all the time, they should do it for prisoners who make quality products for them and generate profits.

It's like if you did something for me, and I said you can have some non voting shares in my company, so i just make them up.

It's certainly an interesting idea. It has a snowball's chance in hell of materializing though.

 

[Joe]

It's certainly an interesting idea. It has a snowball's chance in hell of materializing though.

It's cuz the rich and the elites are so goddam power hungry and greedy

 

[Lily]

It's cuz the rich and the elites are so goddam power hungry and greedy

Why would they pay for what they are essentially given for free?

 

[Joe]

Why would they pay for what they are essentially given for free?

They system has to change.

And not just the US, but Canada and elsewhere too.

 

[Lily]

They system has to change.

And not just the US, but Canada and elsewhere too.

I don't disagree with you. How does that happen?

I see very little will from average citizens to make that happen.

 

[Edgar Friendly]

I don't think paying these prisoners in company shares would actually cost the corporations anything.

If they manufacture shares all the time, they should do it for prisoners who make quality products for them and generate profits.

It's like if you did something for me, and I said you can have some non voting shares in my company, so i just make them up.


either that or actual products my company produces. ie Microsoft should give them free software

Something I think would be more fair would be commissary credit convertible to currency upon release based on state/federal minimum wage (whichever is higher), scaling up at pace with the 'outside' equivalent of the job.

The point of incarceration is (or, at any rate, ought to be) to isolate criminals from prospective victims while they are rehabilitated; it's not supposed to be to inflict wrath on them.

 

[The Prowler]

in the form of company shares

either sell the shares, keep them

paying the Prisoners in Company shares

the equivalent paid in MIcrosoft, McDonald's, Victoria Secret shares

compensate 'em in shares

they should get company shares

Up until now, I was wondering why you were so fixated on "shares" instead of just cash....but this is why:

because in reality, they can always produce more shares by splitting them.

so, in reality, it's no sweat off their backs.

I don't think paying these prisoners in company shares would actually cost the corporations anything.

If they manufacture shares all the time, they should do it for prisoners who make quality products for them and generate profits.

It's like if you did something for me, and I said you can have some non voting shares in my company, so i just make them up.

You, Senile @Joe, do not understand The Basics.

Google "share dilution" and learn something, you retard.

 

[Joe]

Something I think would be more fair would be commissary credit convertible to currency upon release based on state/federal minimum wage (whichever is higher), scaling up at pace with the 'outside' equivalent of the job.

The point of incarceration is (or, at any rate, ought to be) to isolate criminals from prospective victims while they are rehabilitated; it's not supposed to be to inflict wrath on them.

I think that non violent ex cons who have truly reformed & not reoffended turned their lives around should have their criminal records erased after 10 years @Edgar Friendly

The exception would be they couldn't become judges lawyers policemen or anything connected to employment 8n law enforcement. But they could seek employment elsewhere without recrimination.

I know people who have gone to prison or have Criminal records for non violent crimes but have become model citizens later on. Their records should be erased so they can start over again.

 

[The Prowler]

I think that non violent ex cons who have truly reformed & not reoffended turned their lives around should have their criminal records erased after 10 years @Edgar Friendly

The exception would be they couldn't become judges lawyers policemen or anything connected to employment 8n law enforcement. But they could seek employment elsewhere without recrimination.

I know people who have gone to prison or have Criminal records for non violent crimes but have become model citizens later on. Their records should be erased so they can start over again.

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Yeah but how many people actually get them Lex @The Prowler ?

Probably just a drop in the bucket

 

[Edgar Friendly]

I think that non violent ex cons who have truly reformed & not reoffended turned their lives around should have their criminal records erased after 10 years @Edgar Friendly

The exception would be they couldn't become judges lawyers policemen or anything connected to employment 8n law enforcement. But they could seek employment elsewhere without recrimination.

I know people who have gone to prison or have Criminal records for non violent crimes but have become model citizens later on. Their records should be erased so they can start over again.

I think that should be dependent on the nature of the crime viz the nature of the prospective employment. You wouldn't want a convicted embezzler working at a bank, for example.

 

[The Prowler]

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Yeah but how many people actually get them Lex @The Prowler ?

Probably just a drop in the bucket

You came to that conclusion based on what, Senile @Joe?

 

[The Prowler]

I think that should be dependent on the nature of the crime viz the nature of the prospective employment. You wouldn't want a convicted embezzler working at a bank, for example.

It is funny watching you and Senile @Joe discuss this.

"We should forgive them."

"Oh, but they should never get a job in law enforcement."

"Right, and they should never get a job where a crime similar to their previous crime is possible."


Holy fuck. You either believe they have been reformed, or you do not.

If you cannot bring yourself to truly forgive someone, then do not give them a Pardon.

 

[Joe]

Something I think would be more fair would be commissary credit convertible to currency upon release based on state/federal minimum wage (whichever is higher), scaling up at pace with the 'outside' equivalent of the job.

The point of incarceration is (or, at any rate, ought to be) to isolate criminals from prospective victims while they are rehabilitated; it's not supposed to be to inflict wrath on them.

Yeah, I think that is a valid viewpoint @Edgar Friendly

Other thing is that corporations making profits from prison labor should be forced to donate those proceeds to state coffers or pubic private partnerships that would build roads, hospitals, schools, parks, whatever what benefit the public.

It seems like a stretch to pay prisoners 12 cents an hour and then all the benefits go back to the corporations.
Not even law abiding citizens such as yourself or your communities.

I hear the USA has huge budget deficits on the state and national level.
And the prison labor situation is just one example of how corporations suck America dry.

So the profits generated from prison labor could not only go towards infrasturcture but a fund to help prisoners transition to the outside when they are released.

What is outrageous is how prisons are funded with public/state money obtained by citizens through taxation, and then the profits go back to the corporations.

If I were an American taxpayer and I were funding prisons with my taxes I'd demand that the corporations fork over those profits. The corporations are getting a free ride at your expense.

what they have now is corporations getting all the benefits, and yet it's your taxes that paid for prison construction, maintenance, staff, programs etc.

so to address the budget shortfall, those profits should go back the local communities and the state.

 

[The Prowler]

Other thing is that corporations making profits from prison labor

Did you bail on the whole "give them stocks" stupid idea, Senile @Joe?

 

[The Prowler]

If I were an American taxpayer and I were funding prisons with my taxes I'd demand that the corporations fork over those profits. The corporations are getting a free ride at your expense.

If you understood The Big Picture, you would understand that the Protectionism policies of Trump will mean that

Helping American Corporations = Helping Americans

 

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If you understood The Big Picture, you would understand that the Protectionism policies of Trump will mean that

Helping American Corporations = Helping Americans

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[Joe]

Something I think would be more fair would be commissary credit convertible to currency upon release based on state/federal minimum wage (whichever is higher), scaling up at pace with the 'outside' equivalent of the job.

The point of incarceration is (or, at any rate, ought to be) to isolate criminals from prospective victims while they are rehabilitated; it's not supposed to be to inflict wrath on them.

Incarceration isn't supposed to be profit center for large corporations either to pad their profits and boost share prices.

When I read about Microsoft using prison labor to increase their profits I think Bill Gates is a Pig.

He's like that character 'Mr. Hood':



Puts on the pretense of being benevolent while socking it to the poor.

 

[Edgar Friendly]

It is funny watching you and Senile @Joe discuss this.

"We should forgive them."

"Oh, but they should never get a job in law enforcement."

"Right, and they should never get a job where a crime similar to their previous crime is possible."


Holy fuck. You either believe they have been reformed, or you do not.

If you cannot bring yourself to truly forgive someone, then do not give them a Pardon.

It's not about forgiveness; it's about recovery. You probably wouldn't want to take a recovered hardcore alcoholic up with a job as a bartender, either. Same reason why.

 

[Joe]

If you understood The Big Picture, you would understand that the Protectionism policies of Trump will mean that

Helping American Corporations = Helping Americans

Trickle down.

The corporations get rich at everyone else's expense & they give nothing back in return.



They should give the back the monies obtained through slave/prison labor either to help ex inmates rebuild their lives or to fund public works projects which benefits local communities like Mr. Jim Pattison has done in Canada.



Shame on them Lex @The Prowler