Fuck you! And FUCK your New World Order!

[Lokmar]

You couldnt get a gun in Portugal.

 

[Blazor]

Just FYI, Blazor, New World Order is a CON thing.

And I'll bet you a million bucks that my life is far more interesting, free, and fufilling than yours is.

^^^

Will someone tell Captain Kirk here that Khan died.

Lol, nigga please.

 

[LotusBud]

You couldnt get a gun in Portugal.

Yes, I could. But I don't want one, so I don't give a shit.

 

[Dove]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

 

[LotusBud]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

 

[Dove]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

That's not what gaslighting is.

Right now when someone says "push" in the context of vaccines, it is because they ARE being pushed. That's what coercion IS.....pushing.

If you meant "make them available" why would you use the word "push"? Because it's one thing to just make something available.....its another thing to push something. Any reasonable person would have read your comment as you worded it. That vaccines should be pushed.

Also they are already readily available everywhere in western countries.

So when you say "push" it's reasonable for people to read that as.....you think they should be PUSHED. Which is another word for pressured and coerced. Not another word for "offer" or "make available".

Gaslighting is an intentional manipulation tactic that is used to make a person question their own reality. Ironically like YOU just did to me in this exchange, claiming that I'm gaslighting you because I read the word "push" in your post according the definition of the word "push".

 

[Dove]

Here is the entire definition of "push" according to Webster. Feel free to highlight where "make available" is in this definition....because I dont see it.

But I'm a gaslighter for interpreting her post by the definitions of the word she chose? Really? This bad faith bullshit way people treat other people is a good part of why America is toast.

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\ ˈpu̇sh \
pushed; pushing; pushes
Definition of push (Entry 1 of 3)
transitive verb

1a: to press against with force in order to drive or impel
b: to move or endeavor to move away or ahead by steady pressure without striking
2a: to thrust forward, downward, or outward
b: to cause to increase : RAISE
push prices to record levels
c: to try to move beyond or expand
push one's limits
d: to hit (a ball) toward the right from a right-handed swing or toward the left from a left-handed swing
— compare PULL
3a: to press or urge forward to completion
b: to urge or press the advancement, adoption, or practice of
pushed a bill in the legislature
especially : to make aggressive efforts to sell
we're pushing ham this week
c: to engage in the illicit sale of (narcotics)
4: to bear hard upon so as to involve in difficulty
poverty pushed them to the breaking point
5: to approach in age or number
grandmother must be pushing 75
intransitive verb

1: to press against something with steady force in or as if in order to impel
2: to press forward energetically against opposition
3: to exert oneself continuously, vigorously, or obtrusively to gain an end
pushing for higher wages
push one's luck
: to take an increasing risk
push noun
Definition of push (Entry 2 of 3)
1: a vigorous effort to attain an end : DRIVE:
a: a military assault or offensive
b: an advance that overcomes obstacles
c: a campaign to promote a product
2: a time for action : EMERGENCY
3a: an act of pushing : SHOVE
b(1): a physical force steadily applied in a direction away from the body exerting it
(2): a nonphysical pressure : INFLUENCE, URGE
c: vigorous enterprise or energy
4a: an exertion of influence to promote another's interests
b: stimulation to activity : IMPETUS
push comes to shove
: a decisive moment comes
backed down when push came to shove
PUSH abbreviation
\ ˈpu̇sh \
Definition of PUSH (Entry 3 of 3)
People United to Serve Humanity

 

[LotusBud]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

That's not what gaslighting is.

Right now when someone says "push" in the context of vaccines, it is because they ARE being pushed. That's what coercion IS.....pushing.

If you meant "make them available" why would you use the word "push"? Because it's one thing to just make something available.....its another thing to push something. Any reasonable person would have read your comment as you worded it. That vaccines should be pushed.

Also they are already readily available everywhere in western countries.

So when you say "push" it's reasonable for people to read that as.....you think they should be PUSHED. Which is another word for pressured and coerced. Not another word for "offer" or "make available".

Gaslighting is an intentional manipulation tactic that is used to make a person question their own reality. Ironically like YOU just did to me in this exchange, claiming that I'm gaslighting you because I read the word "push" in your post according the definition of the word "push".

Stop. YOu don't get to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant. STFU.

We should be PUSHING to make sure every country on the planet has access to vaccines. Holy fuck, Dove. Seek help.

 

[Blazor]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

That's not what gaslighting is.

Right now when someone says "push" in the context of vaccines, it is because they ARE being pushed. That's what coercion IS.....pushing.

If you meant "make them available" why would you use the word "push"? Because it's one thing to just make something available.....its another thing to push something. Any reasonable person would have read your comment as you worded it. That vaccines should be pushed.

Also they are already readily available everywhere in western countries.

So when you say "push" it's reasonable for people to read that as.....you think they should be PUSHED. Which is another word for pressured and coerced. Not another word for "offer" or "make available".

Gaslighting is an intentional manipulation tactic that is used to make a person question their own reality. Ironically like YOU just did to me in this exchange, claiming that I'm gaslighting you because I read the word "push" in your post according the definition of the word "push".

Stop. YOu don't get to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant. STFU.

We should be PUSHING to make sure every country on the planet has access to vaccines. Holy fuck, Dove. Seek help.

They need to be destroyed, like other countries are doing.

 

[Dove]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

That's not what gaslighting is.

Right now when someone says "push" in the context of vaccines, it is because they ARE being pushed. That's what coercion IS.....pushing.

If you meant "make them available" why would you use the word "push"? Because it's one thing to just make something available.....its another thing to push something. Any reasonable person would have read your comment as you worded it. That vaccines should be pushed.

Also they are already readily available everywhere in western countries.

So when you say "push" it's reasonable for people to read that as.....you think they should be PUSHED. Which is another word for pressured and coerced. Not another word for "offer" or "make available".

Gaslighting is an intentional manipulation tactic that is used to make a person question their own reality. Ironically like YOU just did to me in this exchange, claiming that I'm gaslighting you because I read the word "push" in your post according the definition of the word "push".

Stop. YOu don't get to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant. STFU.

We should be PUSHING to make sure every country on the planet has access to vaccines. Holy fuck, Dove. Seek help.

I CAN tell you what your own fucking words YOU chose mean

You cant just use words that mean OTHER things and then accuse a person of gaslighting for using the definition of the word YOU chose.

If I say I'm gonna punch you and you take that as a threat and say "if you punch me I'll press charges" and I say "I MEANT hug! Stop gaslighting!" a reasonable person would think I was a fucking nut.

That is exactly what you just did. Communicate clearly if you want to be understood, it's not MY responsibility to know when you said "push" you didnt mean PUSH. That's not ME gaslighting, that is YOU gaslighting by accusing me when I'm using the proper definition of push.

I'm sure everyone who read your post saw "push" and applied the meaning as its defined. If you "meant" something else you need to make that clear and coherent.

And you continue gaslighting by attacking my mental health, because of your poor choice of words.

 

[Lily]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

I meant push to make them available to everyone. I said nothing about coercion. Stop gaslighting, please.

That's not what gaslighting is.

Right now when someone says "push" in the context of vaccines, it is because they ARE being pushed. That's what coercion IS.....pushing.

If you meant "make them available" why would you use the word "push"? Because it's one thing to just make something available.....its another thing to push something. Any reasonable person would have read your comment as you worded it. That vaccines should be pushed.

Also they are already readily available everywhere in western countries.

So when you say "push" it's reasonable for people to read that as.....you think they should be PUSHED. Which is another word for pressured and coerced. Not another word for "offer" or "make available".

Gaslighting is an intentional manipulation tactic that is used to make a person question their own reality. Ironically like YOU just did to me in this exchange, claiming that I'm gaslighting you because I read the word "push" in your post according the definition of the word "push".

Stop. YOu don't get to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant. STFU.

We should be PUSHING to make sure every country on the planet has access to vaccines. Holy fuck, Dove. Seek help.

I CAN tell you what your own fucking words YOU chose mean

You cant just use words that mean OTHER things and then accuse a person of gaslighting for using the definition of the word YOU chose.

If I say I'm gonna punch you and you take that as a threat and say "if you punch me I'll press charges" and I say "I MEANT hug! Stop gaslighting!" a reasonable person would think I was a fucking nut.

That is exactly what you just did. Communicate clearly if you want to be understood, it's not MY responsibility to know when you said "push" you didnt mean PUSH.

What she said was the use of push as in to "promote". She clearly meant that we should be promoting the first and second vaccinations over boosters.


You're wrong. You're not comprehending what you're reading. I suggest some sleep, stop doing drugs. Hope that helps.

 

[Dove]

Literally a waste of time trying to communicate. It just proves Big was right to give up a long time ago.

It's like trying to run a rigged obstacle course where no one will tell you the rules and everyone hates you.

I could have my face buried in a pile of kittens but instead I'm in this thread being accused of gaslighting by someone who views me as a completely different entity than I am, who is invested in that view, because i read her words according to the definitions and failed to know that she didnt mean "push". So IM the mentally ill gaslighter.

Right.

 

[LotusBud]

Literally a waste of time trying to communicate. It just proves Big was right to give up a long time ago.

It's like trying to run a rigged obstacle course where no one will tell you the rules and everyone hates you.

I could have my face buried in a pile of kittens but instead I'm in this thread being accused of gaslighting by someone who views me as a completely different entity than I am, who is invested in that view, because i read her words according to the definitions and failed to know that she didnt mean "push". So IM the mentally ill gaslighter.

Right.

Most words in the English language have more than one possible sense. A very common meaning of the word push, you illiterate gaslighter:

push
a vigorous effort to do or obtain something.
"many clubs are joining in the fund-raising push"
[definition from Oxford]

^^^^Is that coercion?

You are a gaslighter. I fucking know what I meant when I wrote it, and I KNOW for a fact that I used the word appropriately. You, on the other hand, should neither be telling me what I mean, nor what words themselves mean. LMAO.

 

[The Prowler]

Push your vaccine up your ass.

 

[Lokmar]

You couldnt get a gun in Portugal.

Yes, I could. But I don't want one, so I don't give a shit.

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Do you have the right to bear arms in Portugal?

Yes. Portuguese citizens can own firearms for hunting, target shooting, pest control and collecting. Self-defense is not considered a legal reason for owning a firearm. Legally, only licensed gun owners can lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.


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, one must be over 18 years old and pass a background check, which considers criminal and mental health records.


Lisbon is the region with the most gun licences, followed by

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, Santarém, Setúbal, and Porto. Currently, there are approximately 2.6 million guns in Portugal, half of which are in fact, illegal. This is enough for one in every four people in Portugal to own a gun.

You dont hunt, you dont live where you can argue that you need to shoot pests, and you have no right to self defense with a gun there. I doubt you'd pass a mental evaluation anyway. We havent even discussed that you cant own anything in a 5.56 or a semi auto in 308 there. Oh yea, they have strict limits on how many rounds you can have too. Its all tightly controlled by the cops. Criminals though have whatever the fuck they want.

PWN3D!

 

[Lokmar]

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[Seamajor]

Why care, you can’t leave the country anyway.

 

[Lokmar]

Why care, you can’t leave the country anyway.

I cant? Besides, I wasnt the one saying I could buy a gun there.

 

[Blazor]

 

[Lokmar]

Those poor Aussies need to decapitate their government.

 

[Blazor]

Those poor Aussies need to decapitate their government.

You, me, @Dove , @Biggie Smiles , @Succubus , and @Ice meet up at @Harry McKnackers place, and we will FIX Oz!!!! The motherfucking A-team!!!

 

[Biggie Smiles]

Those poor Aussies need to decapitate their government.

You, me, @Dove , @Biggie Smiles , @Succubus , and @Ice meet up at @Harry McKnackers place, and we will FIX Oz!!!! The motherfucking A-team!!!

 

[LotusBud]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

 

[Frood]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

And you don't have the good sense to protect yourself, loved ones, and your community....

You'll be the hunted one day.....easy prey.

 

[Frood]

Those poor Aussies need to decapitate their government.

You, me, @Dove , @Biggie Smiles , @Succubus , and @Ice meet up at @Harry McKnackers place, and we will FIX Oz!!!! The motherfucking A-team!!!

There's no fixing Australia unless hundreds of thousands take to the streets and peacefully say no.

 

[LotusBud]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

And you don't have the good sense to protect yourself, loved ones, and your community....

You'll be the hunted one day.....easy prey.

You're a moron. Portugal is the third safest country in the world. No one is hunting me down.

 

[Breakfall]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

If you don’t like guns, you should learn to be proficient in knives. It could save your life one day. One doesn’t wish to be a sitting duck eh?

 

[LotusBud]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

If you don’t like guns, you should learn to be proficient in knives. It could save your life one day. One doesn’t wish to be a sitting duck eh?

I have managed to live my whole life without ever once being in a fist fight, a knife fight, or a gun fight. I protect myself by avoiding dodgy areas and not walking around alone at night. We also have good locks on our doors, and we live in the third safest country in the world. I got myself out of the scariest situation of my life with words. LOL. Excessive fear is unhealthy.

 

[Breakfall]

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Oh, woops. Automatic weapons are illegal in Portugal. How horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It IS possible for me to buy a gun here, anyway. I just don't need one. I don't hunt.

If you don’t like guns, you should learn to be proficient in knives. It could save your life one day. One doesn’t wish to be a sitting duck eh?

I have managed to live my whole life without ever once being in a fist fight, a knife fight, or a gun fight. I protect myself by avoiding dodgy areas and not walking around alone at night. We also have good locks on our doors, and we live in the third safest country in the world. I got myself out of the scariest situation of my life with words. LOL. Excessive fear is unhealthy.

One never knows when a home invasion may occur. And most kitchens have some serious carving knives, some even displayed on a block. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be trained to handle yourself. I recommend Krav Maga or other self-defence class in weaponry. Lots of immigrants and refugees around these days.

It only takes a few lessons...

 

[LotusBud]

I've thought about trying to explain it to simpletons like Lily. It's probably pointless, though.

But I'm going to try real quickly...

Take two people. One is vaccinated, one is not.

Both get infected by virus.

The virus in the vaccinated person infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. One mutation is vaccine resistant. The antibodies that are there due to vaccine go to work and "kill" the 995 normal viruses, and four of the mutations. But the one vaccine-resistant mutation is left alone. It now can infect and multiple without competition from the other viruses that have been "killed" by the antibodies. So it infects other cells, multiplies, and spreads as viruses tend to do when the body has not built-up immunity. Now that person can shed the new, vaccine resistant variant of the virus.

Similar infection with an non-vaccinated person. The virus infects some cells and produces 995 normal Covid-19 viruses, and 5 different mutations. There are no anti-bodies yet, so the viruses spread and compete for host cells. The 995 normal viruses become dominant and that infection spreads due to it outnumbering any of the mutations. The mutations are very likely to be overwhelmed and not survive. So the normal Covid-19 virus is the one that will potentially be shed by that person.

The whole "unvaccinated people are responsible for the variants" is anti-science. It's bullshit propaganda. it is designed to pressure people to get vaccinated, and also to increase conflict between the pro and anti-jab groups. It is not an effective way to fight a pandemic. Rolling out vaccines in areas where the target virus is actively being spread is a recipe for disaster. This is why flu vaccines are always rolled out before the virus is active. They anticipate what strains will be active, and they create vaccines based on that. When they see a different strain being spread, they do not "tweak" the vaccines because they know that is dangerous.

The delta variant came out of India when there were extremely low vaccination rates. Care to explain that?

My understanding is delta (though not the new lambda varient) was just a regular mutation in the spike protein which had the advantage of spreading faster in the body and thus could replicate itself more quickly. That is just a normal bad luck mutation.

Prowler seems to be talking about selective pressure and the vaccine resistance being a new selective pressure. Frankly, many medical researchers are now saying gaining natural immunity by getting a post vaccination infection (with low chance for serious complications due to the vaccine) is probably better than a booster shot. Those booster shots would be better directed to unvaccinated people.

I agree. I don't think any boosters should be given yet and the push should be for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. Because of the way people move around this planet, it is just as important to the overall health of the US for everyone in India to be vaccinated as it is for everyone in the US to be.

My fully vaccinated son just had very low-symptom Covid. I'm hoping he's super immune now.

Except not everyone CAN be vaccinated.

There shouldnt be ANY push at ALL. The only thing needed here is just honest objective info and for doctors to handle this.

The "push" is exactly the problem and why people are "pushing" back.

Coercion and force are marks of shit leadership.

Dove, the point is, there are not enough vaccines available in Africa, India, etc. I am talking about getting all the manufacturers to ship vaccines to countries that have low vaxx levels instead of pushing for a booster in places with high rates of vaccination. Jesus. Forget the word "push." That's not my point at all. I am sure there are billions of people who haven't been vaccinated who WANT to be. Coercion has nothing to do with it.