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The people bashing cops, windows, spraying bear spray, etc were all peaceful and shit, yo.
Come inside and see the violence inherent in conservatives.
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The people bashing cops, windows, spraying bear spray, etc were all peaceful and shit, yo.
Sorry. I meant 2021.
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I wasn't correcting you, actually. That date is just seared in my brain.
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They are also the side that thinks they own the US Flag, and this is how they show their respect, by tearing down our Flag and tossing it aside like yesterdays trash, and replacing it with Trump merchandise.
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A grateful republican boss praises his haitian employees hard work and dedication, The Trumposphere showers him with hate and death threats.
An Ohio Businessman Faces Death Threats for Praising His Haitian Workers
The lifelong Republican employs fewer Haitians than others in Springfield, but his life has been upended since Donald J. Trump spread falsehoods about immigrants in his hometown.
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That case has already been prosecuted, and you're not one iota smarter than the dumb cunts who prosecuted it, so drop it or be a laughingstock.
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Not only are Trumpers violent, they’re also dumb, to wit
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A Banker told them an immigrant wants to take their cookie.
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Whataboutism occurs when one person in a conversation, when faced with an accusation, makes a counter-accusation instead attempting to give an answer the the accusation leveled on them.
Let's analyze your example.
Yes this is an example of whataboutism. The person that replied in the conversation failed to adequately counter the other person's assertions that: "Trump told people to protest on January 6!", and, that it is "incitement to insurrection!".
I'll edit and add to this a bit, as I have thought about this myself. In a conversation, I believe that it is the initiators responsibility to gauge the breadth of knowledge that the other person has. If you keep the parameters of a conversation so that you do are not discussing things that the other person doesn't know about, and vice versa, then you will be able to come to reasonable conclusions.
It would be intellectual folly for me to ask the cashier at the nearest 7/11 what they thought about Nigeria's apparent Dutch disease and how it effects their ability to become a prosperous state.
So yes, that is whataboutism.
Practice the Socratic method and watch everything you listen to and read fall apart before your very eyes.
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In other words, a rejection of context -- precisely as I said.
If Bob says, "I hate right-wing riots!" and Mike answers, "You're on video taking part in a left-wing riot." that's context. It proves that Bob does not, in fact, have any problem whatsoever with riots -- he only has a problem with "the other side" engaging in the same behavior his side engages in.
It's also a pointer to irony; an excellent example of the same kind of irony is played out in this scene:
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In this example you can't prove Bob's statements incorrect. His disdain of Right-wing riots and his participation in left-wing riots are not mutually exclusive.
You specified in this example that Bob took place in a left-wing riot. I get your point, but in order for it to be intellectually "correct" it would have been better communicated as follows (and, in the process, completely changing your initial assertion):
"If Bob says, "I hate riots!" and Mike answers, "You're on video taking part in a riot." that's context. It proves that Bob does not, in fact, have any problem whatsoever with riots"
Instead, your initial example proves that Bob probably has no issue taking part in left-wing riots. This, however, does not prove that Bob has no issue taking part in any riot, let alone A riot.
Furthermore, I believe that his participation in a left-wing riot may be indicative of his disdain of right-wing riots, as the schools of conservatism and liberalism are philosophically opposed to one another.
As I previously said: "It would be intellectual folly for me to ask the cashier at the nearest 7/11 what they thought about Nigeria's apparent Dutch disease and how it effects their ability to become a prosperous state."
In order to have a productive conversation about incomprehensibly complex subjects, I believe that it is best to conduct the conversation within the breadth of knowledge of both parties. If you fail to do this, one party will have knowledge that, not only the other party lacks, but they are simultaneously incapable of countering. This will inevitably lead to a conversation where the other party either blindly agrees with what you say, or blindly disagrees with what you say/ let's minutia slide. This may reinforce beliefs that are incomplete or simply untrue.
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Here's another example:
Leftists: "Stop trying to legislate morality! Now use my preferred pronouns or I'll have you charged with a hate crime!"
Pointing out the irony there isn't "whataboutism"; it's putting in context the fact that leftists don't actually have any problem with legislation of morality -- as long as it's their morality being legislated and nobody else's.
Leftists: "Stop trying to legislate morality! Now use my preferred pronouns or I'll have you charged with a hate crime!"
Pointing out the irony there isn't "whataboutism"; it's putting in context the fact that leftists don't actually have any problem with legislation of morality -- as long as it's their morality being legislated and nobody else's.
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My initial example stands, since the conclusion is that "Bob has no problem with riots." which appropriately contextualizes Bob's stated complaint: It isn't riots he has a problem with; what he has a problem with is "the opposition" doing the same thing "his side" does with his blessing.
Yelling, "whataboutism" is nothing but an hypocritical whine from people who don't like having their hypocrisy pointed out. Well, the remedy to that is really very simple: Don't like having hypocrisy pointed out? Don't fucking engage in it.
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No, the initial conclusion is that Bob has no problem with left- wing riots, not with riots in general. You must specify in any argument the specific conditions that your assertions occur in.
Furthermore, you would have to prove that "what he has a problem with is "the opposition" doing the same thing "his side" does with his blessing."
We can argue over minutia and syntax all day, but arguing over such topics will inevitably result in what bred them: intellectual unprofessionalism.
No, whataboutism is a well-recognized logical fallacy in which the opposition fails to apply a logically sound argument to their assertion.
If someone "screams" whataboutism at you, you should closely examine your argument to see if it is correct.
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I'm well aware that it's a form of tu quoque; that doesn't necessarily invalidate it. You, yourself, are committing the informal, "Fallacy Fallacy", in which you're using the presence of a fallacy mechanism to claim that the argument is invalid.
In fact, several defenses of "whataboutism" are proposed:
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Good thing I already had my own conclusion devoid of accusations of a logical fallacy.
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Asylums with doors open wide
Where people had paid to see inside
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, "I still exist"
This is the way, step inside
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Where people had paid to see inside
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, "I still exist"
This is the way, step inside
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You may want to keep a tighter grip on what you've said.
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Young men in this country are desperate for relevance. It's a real problem that needs addressing.
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Maybe politicians should foment more division and violence?
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I know, these outcomes are tremendous.
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I agree, Trump supporters are garbage!
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I see them more as afraid and hateful.
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Yeah, but liberals are the violent ones!
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