Do you believe in god?

[Garraty_47]

Oh @UncleDiLF you poor quasi-sentient sod...

I don't just deny the existence of your god.
I deny the existence of all of them, ever.
They're all quite obviously figments of men and women's imaginations.

You're almost as much of an atheist as I am, ya know, unless you happen to believe in everything from zoroastrianism to L. Ron Hubbard's space fairy.

I just take it one step farther.

 

[UncleDiLF]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

 

[realgrimm]

Agnostic

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God

 

[realgrimm]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

 

[Dove]

Also I just wanna address a common argument that I see a lot. I used to say this as well without putting a lot of thought into it. And to be fair....not a whole lot of Christian's address this properly.

It's the whole "we dont need a book to know *fill in blanks** is bad".

Which is definately not the argument. But that IS an argument FOR God. The fact that we all know it's wrong to kill and rape and enslave and so on. We know this without a book.

We know it because we are made in the image of God and God is our moral law (all laws are moral btw) giver. He is the objective moral standard. We cant have morals without a standard.

Many atheist will eventually start arguing that morals are not objective and rely upon culture. This really makes me cringe.....especially when it's a good man like Vitty who I KNOW doesn't actually believe that. I've seen men with such a sense of righteous justice, being atheists, make this argument and it's hard to see. It's not culture that makes you angry at suffering and injustice. That's the image of a holy and righteous God you were made in.

You dont have to believe He exists in order to belong to Him IF He is real.

So no....we dont need a book to know right and wrong. But in order for right and wrong to even exist, there has to be a standard. And it cant be our own subjective ones. If it's up to our own subjective ones....then nothing is wrong. Cannibalism isn't wrong. Child rape isn't wrong. It's just a matter of culture.

Thanks for rescuing this thread with interesting points. Unlike Buddy @Garraty_47 the clown.

He is a really intelligent and good guy. He isn't an idiot at all.

Him and I have discussed this topic many times. To him it's silly superstition.

And also many people in America have had terrible experiences with religion. So when someone starts talking about scripture, God, Jesus....they associate it with that bad experience and shut it down.

That makes him intelligent???
Have you read his posts here??

Come on, Dove.
Let‘s pray that god have mercy on him. He brings bad vibes. Would you trust your kids to him? Be honest!

Him and I go way back. We disagree on many things but he definately isn't an idiot.

I pray for everyone :D

Well, again. That could be true. But when I read his posts here??? He haven’t brought 1 single point. Why?
I pray not for everyone. Because rapists and piodios must go to hell!

He is just matching the energy

Come as a strong believer, he meets you as a strong nonbeliever.

It's a good opportunity to sharpen. I've had many debates with agnostics and even some atheists that actually drove me deeper into study simply so I could answer things that are possible to answer.

When you find people you can actually debate with who dont go rabid, of course.

 

[Garraty_47]

When you find people you can actually debate with who dont go rabid, of course.

<wipes foam from my lips>

And what's *THAT* supposed to mean?

LoL

 

[UncleDiLF]

Oh @UncleDiLF you poor quasi-sentient sod...

I don't just deny the existence of your god.
I deny the existence of all of them, ever.
They're all quite obviously figments of men and women's imaginations.

You're almost as much of an atheist as I am, ya know, unless you happen to believe in everything from zoroastrianism to L. Ron Hubbard's space fairy.

I just take it one step farther.

God probably is out there, a part of the universe, maybe more. A simple experiment to prove His "is-ness," is to suppose that He might be out there, and then ask Him to make you believe in Him. If he is out there, He might respond to your prayer by giving you a gift of faith or belief in Him. So, if this happens, this confirms the idea that He is there.

Now, you might be tempted to doubt, ad hoc, this confirmation as some sort of self-delusion. So, you will have to use your newly acquired faith to do some miracles that confirm that something has happened that you were not in control of. Better, in fact, plan on this. Pick out some miracles you want to work with faith ahead of time, things that would be good for others.

If it doesn't happen, well, maybe He is not out there. Or, maybe He is there, but did not want to give you this gift of faith. These alternatives can be separated by asking Him why he did not give you faith, by asking Him for what you might do to prepare yourself to receive. If, with this request made, you sincerely believe that every thing you might have done to qualify yourself to get belief from God is done, and still He does not give you faith, then, from your perspective, He probably does not exist.

But, you are not entirely at the end of your search. In the bible, there is something called "taking the kingdom of God by violence" or force. If God exists, but is hiding Himself from you, you can "prove" Him by "buying the truth," by doing a tithing experiment, as outlined in Malachi. That is, whether or not He gives you a special teaching or gift in response to your request, you might reason that since He and His followers have gone to such great lengths to get a bible available to you, with all it's specific instructions for finding Him, and proving Him, maybe He is waiting for you to do all the stuff written there, before he does any further gifting. "Knock," in other words. Hammer away, make a nuisance of yourself.

It seems to me that a completely clear conscience on this matter requires enough effort on our parts, that we are pretty clear that we have done all we could to get God to respond in a reasonable way. This, alas, cannot be limited to reasoning on our part, for the God we are looking for has made it clear that he is much more into evidence, and "asking, seeking, knocking," then any approach which depends on our understanding. He limits understanding and logic to supportative roles only, and appears to dread the idea of having to invite some "deep thinker" into His everlasting dinner party. Or maybe that is just me.

 

[Dove]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" were often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

 

[UncleDiLF]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

PRIESTS only do gods work, Realgrimm!

They are men on a mission.

 

[realgrimm]

Is God Santa Claus is it his alt?

 

[Dove]

When you find people you can actually debate with who dont go rabid, of course.

<wipes foam from my lips>

And what's *THAT* supposed to mean?

LoL

You are sassy but civil and you have made points in the past that forced me to check my beliefs.

I like that. And I hope I've done likewise and if I have you dont have to say it lol.

 

[UncleDiLF]

Is God Santa Claus is it his alt?

Santa Claus resembles god, isn’t it?

When was your last sermon, Realgrimm?

 

[realgrimm]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

 

[cw_]

 

[realgrimm]

Is God Santa Claus is it his alt?

Santa Claus resembles god, isn’t it?

When was your last sermon, Realgrimm?

I'm an authentic bastard, none of "Gods" piss has touched my head

 

[Dove]

Oh @UncleDiLF you poor quasi-sentient sod...

I don't just deny the existence of your god.
I deny the existence of all of them, ever.
They're all quite obviously figments of men and women's imaginations.

You're almost as much of an atheist as I am, ya know, unless you happen to believe in everything from zoroastrianism to L. Ron Hubbard's space fairy.

I just take it one step farther.

God probably is out there, a part of the universe, maybe more. A simple experiment to prove His "is-ness," is to suppose that He might be out there, and then ask Him to make you believe in Him. If he is out there, He might respond to your prayer by giving you a gift of faith or belief in Him. So, if this happens, this confirms the idea that He is there.

Now, you might be tempted to doubt, ad hoc, this confirmation as some sort of self-delusion. So, you will have to use your newly acquired faith to do some miracles that confirm that something has happened that you were not in control of. Better, in fact, plan on this. Pick out some miracles you want to work with faith ahead of time, things that would be good for others.

If it doesn't happen, well, maybe He is not out there. Or, maybe He is there, but did not want to give you this gift of faith. These alternatives can be separated by asking Him why he did not give you faith, by asking Him for what you might do to prepare yourself to receive. If, with this request made, you sincerely believe that every thing you might have done to qualify yourself to get belief from God is done, and still He does not give you faith, then, from your perspective, He probably does not exist.

But, you are not entirely at the end of your search. In the bible, there is something called "taking the kingdom of God by violence" or force. If God exists, but is hiding Himself from you, you can "prove" Him by "buying the truth," by doing a tithing experiment, as outlined in Malachi. That is, whether or not He gives you a special teaching or gift in response to your request, you might reason that since He and His followers have gone to such great lengths to get a bible available to you, with all it's specific instructions for finding Him, and proving Him, maybe He is waiting for you to do all the stuff written there, before he does any further gifting. "Knock," in other words. Hammer away, make a nuisance of yourself.

It seems to me that a completely clear conscience on this matter requires enough effort on our parts, that we are pretty clear that we have done all we could to get God to respond in a reasonable way. This, alas, cannot be limited to reasoning on our part, for the God we are looking for has made it clear that he is much more into evidence, and "asking, seeking, knocking," then any approach which depends on our understanding. He limits understanding and logic to supportative roles only, and appears to dread the idea of having to invite some "deep thinker" into His everlasting dinner party. Or maybe that is just me.

My grandpa was a rabid atheist who used to hide his whiskey flask in a bible (he cut out the pages).

My grandma was a believer.....albeit a Pentecostal. Which is a whole other shit show. I grew up with PTL and TBN....it was terrible. But anyway

My grandpa always said if God is real, he will come back and tell her.

And apparently he did. He had brain cancer and he died for a few minutes and just ....came back for 20 minutes and told my grandma, her sister and my mother that it was "truer than the truth" and there no words to describe it.

I wasnt there so I'm adding on some emotion points to the story (perhaps a bit of dramatizing)....he also had brain cancer so it could be attributed to some near death delusion. But according to my mom....who never joined any religion but says she always had a "sense" that a God exists....she says he looked 25 years younger and was glowing and this experience really struct her to her core.

I worked in hospice for a few years. Night shifts. The ones who believed in Jesus just had a certain peace. They would revert back to children. Their eyes would light up and dance. They were my favorites. They died so peacefully.

 

[UncleDiLF]

I pray for all of you.

 

[UncleDiLF]

Is God Santa Claus is it his alt?

Santa Claus resembles god, isn’t it?

When was your last sermon, Realgrimm?

I'm an authentic bastard, none of "Gods" piss has touched my head

Have you never commitent sinner, Realgrimm??? Never???

YOu can be FREE when you visit a PRIEST!!! There good ones. Please testify!

 

[realgrimm]

I pray for all of you.

Oh goody let's drink blood and cannibalize our host

 

[Dove]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

 

[Garraty_47]

You are sassy but civil and you have made points in the past that forced me to check my beliefs.

I like that. And I hope I've done likewise and if I have you dont have to say it lol.

I consider every source, you included.
That's what it means to base a stance on logic instead of "faith".
I question and challenge myself almost every day, on this and myriad other topics.

 

[UncleDiLF]

You are sassy but civil and you have made points in the past that forced me to check my beliefs.

I like that. And I hope I've done likewise and if I have you dont have to say it lol.

I consider every source, you included.
That's what it means to base a stance on logic instead of "faith".
I question and challenge myself almost every day, on this and myriad other topics.

Why don‘t you believe in god?

 

[Garraty_47]

Why don‘t you believe in god?

I never have.
Not even when I was a child do I recall ever actually believing.
They tried... I've attended (usually briefly) several different churches over the years.
Starting with Baptists and I guess the most recent was Mormon?

It never rang true to me and the more I read about the subject the more obvious it was that the whole thing is just stories people told each other and occasionally those stories became quite popular.

Popularity does not equal truth.

 

[realgrimm]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Holy Wars are perversions spawned from books spreading "the word" different gods are put in place due to culture and folklore.. look at Japan and its Tentacle sea god perversions, Gods are irrelevant in the grand scheme, since its delusional episodes brought on by mans interpretations of what is, a book that has been changed and altered over centuries is gunna do nothing but just change the dynamic of the Holy War .. Muslims only go extreme from their versions of the "Good Word" so whose to blame?.. Maybe the authors of the books invented to conflict each other and cause this divide

We are all in realms guided by our spirits and whether "God presides there" is irrelevant, as humans our spirits are divided by fairytales

 

[Dove]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Holy Wars are perversions spawned from books spreading "the word" different gods are put in place due to culture and folklore.. look at Japan and its Tentacle sea god perversions, Gods are irrelevant in the grand scheme, since its delusional episodes brought on by mans interpretations of what is, a book that has been changed and altered over centuries is gunna do nothing but just change the dynamic of the Holy War .. Muslims only go extreme from their versions of the "Good Word" so whose to blame?.. Maybe the authors of the books invented to conflict each other and cause this divide

We are all in realms guided by our spirits and whether "God presides there" is irrelevant, as humans our spirits are divided by fairytales

Well I say this because while Muslims believe in purging the infidels (radical islam)....the bible opposes war.

It addresses in historical narratives when Israel was being established.

Under the new covenant though Christian's are definately not supposed to persecute those who dont believe. You cant make anyone believe, only God can do that. If people are rejecting it... scripture says to shake the dust off your feet and leave them alone.

But yeah a lot of problems arise when people manipulate ANY written words for any nefarious purpose. That's why it's so important (and not just with the bible.. let alone any sort of spiritual text....but even with media and messages we hear and info we are given from any source) to do our due diligence and make an effort to really know what is being said and know why we believe what we believe.

This goes for anything. People who say they are liberal/left/conservative should know WHY they are and what that means. People who claim to be scientologists or JW or Moromon should know why they are. Same with Christian's.

Anything that humans can manipulate for some sort power or gain....they will.

 

[realgrimm]

 

[Dove]

Where is God mad about dildos?

Geez. I try to ignore stuff like this but sometimes it's just so out there. :(

 

[realgrimm]

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Check out the big brains on Brad.. funny people cry out for freedoms and independence while letting some government version of the Bible bait their hooks

I came by my conclusions and opinions legitimately: through years of looking into not only what agreed with my position but arguments and propositions from all sides.

If that makes me sound like an academic on the subject well, there's not much I can do about that. I reckon that's what happens when someone actually does a bit of research instead of C&P'ing boilerplate from one of their favorite propagandists.

And funny when atheists seek our for god, when something terrible is happening. The hypocrisy is strong here.

Who said atheist? That's just denial..

More like Agnostic

Realgrimm, please obey to PRIESTS for a better life. We need to believe in something! Or we die for nothing!
Et dominus Pacem!!!!!

Obey? You mean like a sheep..

If I'm liberated from the bondage of things like pride, greed, lust, et.....and like the apostle Paul I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength - whether in times of need or plenty - and I can be content in all circumstances and not tossed about by the whims of the world....

No one can control me. Governments have been slaughtering Christian's since the first century church. Even the catholic church has a history of slaughtering Christian's. Those who dove into scripture themselves and began challenging the authority of the "church" we often martyred.

There is a reason why you see the "religious" (and among them actual Christians) on the small gov side of the spectrum.

Just throwing that out there. I think people have gotten things backwards and view serving our flesh as freedom when really that's nothing but slavery if you really unpack it.

We can easily list good and fruitful things that built cohesive and safe communities that come from the word of God. Which urges us to think in the eternal and not the temporal.

Can we make such a list of good things that have came from the sexual revolution and porn and such? Look at what came from that. Broken homes and human trafficking are two easy ones.

So holy wars due to blind faith.. dying cuz you believe and are being "judged" cmon , the spiritual realm and physical realm is not dictated by one, we live off of emotion and values not some predicted fairytale outcome

Well you gotta look more critically at the holy war thing. Pretty much all the holy wars are the Muslims.

I'm not saying that to be mean....its just true.

And the vast majority of our wars have to do with greed far more than any religion.....even the muslims.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the spirit realm dictated by 1. I dont see this as spirit realms.....I tend to think of "realms" as dimensions we cant perceive with our senses. Like how we cant hear the sounds planets and black holes make. We record the frequencies and change them into something we can hear.

See what I'm saying?

I think our reality is much weirder then we like to believe it is.

Also arguing for intelligent design and then arguing why the God of the bible is that intelligent designer are different. I mean....of course I believe the entire universe is designed and created by one Being. And He is outside of it and not subject to the laws within it. So time doesnt apply to Him. He doesnt require a beginning. He is the source of life itself so death doesnt touch Him. He isn't even male or female because He doesnt require biology.

I think how people think of God is really important to how these discussions go. Because we could be both saying "God" but we can mean entirely different beings.

You are agnostic so you are open to the possibility, if a God exists, how do you think if Him?

Holy Wars are perversions spawned from books spreading "the word" different gods are put in place due to culture and folklore.. look at Japan and its Tentacle sea god perversions, Gods are irrelevant in the grand scheme, since its delusional episodes brought on by mans interpretations of what is, a book that has been changed and altered over centuries is gunna do nothing but just change the dynamic of the Holy War .. Muslims only go extreme from their versions of the "Good Word" so whose to blame?.. Maybe the authors of the books invented to conflict each other and cause this divide

We are all in realms guided by our spirits and whether "God presides there" is irrelevant, as humans our spirits are divided by fairytales

Well I say this because while Muslims believe in purging the infidels (radical islam)....the bible opposes war.

It addresses in historical narratives when Israel was being established.

Under the new covenant though Christian's are definately not supposed to persecute those who dont believe. You cant make anyone believe, only God can do that. If people are rejecting it... scripture says to shake the dust off your feet and leave them alone.

But yeah a lot of problems arise when people manipulate ANY written words for any nefarious purpose. That's why it's so important (and not just with the bible.. let alone any sort of spiritual text....but even with media and messages we hear and info we are given from any source) to do our due diligence and make an effort to really know what is being said and know why we believe what we believe.

This goes for anything. People who say they are liberal/left/conservative should know WHY they are and what that means. People who claim to be scientologists or JW or Moromon should know why they are. Same with Christian's.

Anything that humans can manipulate for some sort power or gain....they will.

but you wont get access to heaven if its not the "right" word or do anything thats considered a sin unless your catholic and repent right?

 

[Garraty_47]

I'm still waiting for a proponent of "intelligent design" to rationally explain the platypus.

I suspect I'll be waiting for a really looooong time.

 

[UncleDiLF]

I'm still waiting for a proponent of "intelligent design" to rationally explain the platypus.

I suspect I'll be waiting for a really looooong time.

Deliver a proof that god doesnt exist first! Dont clown around.