LMFAO @ the far right in Europe and Marine Le Pen

[Lily]

Dorky, please float away on an outbound tide.

Don't you mean in a spiral?

 

[Lily]

You mean the land in Texas your Asturian ancestors stole from the injuns?

Yes, that land.

 

[The New Holliday]

Why?

Because it's what corks do.
Don't betray your nature.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

Yes, that land.

Well how is that "reparations" when your own bloodthirsty ancestors ethnically cleansed the area of the poor Native Americans just before your ancestors stole it?

 

[Lily]

Well how is that "reparations" when your own bloodthirsty ancestors ethnically cleansed the area of the poor Native Americans just before your ancestors stole it?

Like yours? My ancestors had a legal document that was provided to them by the government of Spain to settle that land. It was a grant deed.

It was legally theirs until stolen, illegally.

Now, do you recognize laws or you don't? My beef was with settlers that were also granted land by the same government, who promised to become citizens, become Catholic and respect the laws of their new land. They subsequently, made more land grabs. Because greed is never satisified.

They didn't live by their words. Mine did.

 

[The New Holliday]

Like yours? My ancestors had a legal document that was provided to them by the government of Spain to settle that land. It was a grant deed.

It was legally theirs until stolen, illegally.

Whoa!
Not to steal Raggs' thunder here, but by what right did Spain thieve that land which they gave to your ancestors.

 

[Lily]

Whoa!
Not to steal Raggs' thunder here, but by what right did Spain thieve that land which they gave to your ancestors.

What right did the WASPs have? Are you going back to where your ancestors came from? It's not as if your ancestors didn't benefit from the dirty work the WASPs did before yours came to your neck of the woods.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

Like yours? My ancestors had a legal document that was provided to them by the government of Spain to settle that land. It was a grant deed.

It was legally theirs until stolen, illegally.

Now, do you recognize laws or you don't? My beef was with settlers that were also granted land by the same government, who promised to become citizens, become Catholic and respect the laws of their new land. And subsequently, made more land grabs. Because greed is never satsified.

They didn't live by their words. Mine did.

Well, that's twisted. Doesn't mitigate the FACT that YOUR ancestors killed thousands upon thousands if innocent indigenes to forcibly take lands that didn't belong to them. The Spanish Crown had no legal claim to those lands. It was all stolen.

My ancestors, on the other hand, never stole anything from the injuns.

I'm quite sure I have far less generational and racial guilt than you do. Your ancestors were brutal motherfuckers who slaughtered their way up from New Spain and took whatever they wanted.

 

[The New Holliday]

What right did the WASPs have? Are you going back to where your ancestors came from? It's not as if your ancestors didn't benefit from the dirty work the WASPs did before yours came to your neck of the woods.

I'm a WASP? You think my mom would have mentioned that.

 

[Lily]

Again, those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I was just having a little fun being silly about Ragie's old trope...and it all got so serious.

White people hate being reminded they are also benefitting from what early European settlers did in the Americas.

I clearly recognize part of my ancestry was involved in land grabbing. Part of my ancestry were also the people that were robbed.

Can't say the same for some of you.

 

[Lily]

Well, that's twisted. Doesn't mitigate the FACT that YOUR ancestors killed thousands upon thousands if innocent indigenes to forcibly take lands that didn't belong to them. The Spanish Crown had no legal claim to those lands. It was all stolen.

My ancestors, on the other hand, never stole anything from the injuns.

I'm quite sure I have far less generational and racial guilt than you do. Your ancestors were brutal motherfuckers who slaughtered their way up from New Spain and took whatever they wanted.

Your ancestors benefitted from the slaughter of Native Americans. Of course they did. All white Americans are on land that was never theirs either.

Quit lying to me, keep your lies to yourself.

 

[The New Holliday]

I clearly recognize part of my ancestry was involved in land grabbing. Part of my ancestry were also the people that were robbed.

..but why do you identify with one more than the other.
Why is that important to you?

 

[Lily]

..but why do you identify with one more than the other.
Why is that important to you?

I don't. I don't belong to any "reparations" movement.

That was a joke. Ragie used to have a sense of humor. I guess that's gone now that he's a MAGAtard.

 

[Admin.]

Well, that's twisted. Doesn't mitigate the FACT that YOUR ancestors killed thousands upon thousands if innocent indigenes to forcibly take lands that didn't belong to them. The Spanish Crown had no legal claim to those lands. It was all stolen.

My ancestors, on the other hand, never stole anything from the injuns.

I'm quite sure I have far less generational and racial guilt than you do. Your ancestors were brutal motherfuckers who slaughtered their way up from New Spain and took whatever they wanted.

You never cease to be a moran.

 

[The New Holliday]

I don't.

No, I think you definitely do.

 

[Lily]

I'm a WASP? You think my mom would have mentioned that.

I distinctly said you benefitted from the WASP settlement of your region. I realize you are Catholic, but if I recall history correctly, the French did a quite of bit of colonizing themselves...really not that far from where you are now.

 

[The New Holliday]

You never cease to be a moran.

..but explain why he is wrong...historically.

 

[Lily]

No, I think you definitely do.

Well, we all don't think quite right. It can't be helped sometimes.

 

[Admin.]

..but explain why he is wrong...historically.

I think things started to unravel after Lucy violently kicked her Step sons out of the rift valley.

 

[Lily]

..but explain why he is wrong...historically.

All of the Americas were stolen from Native Americans. From the northern most regions of Canada to Tierra del Fuego.

Do you not know that?

 

[The New Holliday]

All of the Americas were stolen from Native Americans. From the northern most regions of Canada to Tierra del Fuego.

Do you not know that?

I know that the "Beringians" stole it from the Solutreans. Hardly any telling who stole what from who earlier than that.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

You never cease to be a moran.

S'up, ApeY!

Here's one I know you'll like:

 

[Lily]

I know that the "Beringians" stole it from the Solutreans. Hardly any telling who stole what from who earlier than that.

False equivalence, but you do you.

 

[Reggie_Essent]

Your ancestors benefitted from the slaughter of Native Americans. Of course they did.

Right. Next you're gonna tell me I benefited because niggers were used as farm implements a hundred and seventy years ago.

 

[The New Holliday]

False equivalence, but you do you.

Oak, seriously..as long as you are comfortable with time beginning in 1492. I'm cool widt dat.

 

[Lily]

Right. Next you're gonna tell me I benefited because niggers were used as farm implements a hundred and seventy years ago.

I don't know when your ancestors got here. But you did benefit from Native land being stolen.

What happens if you admit that? Will your little penis fall off? Is that your fear? It won't you know.

 

[Lily]

Oak, seriously..as long as you are comfortable with time beginning in 1492. I'm cool widt dat.

No, but I would like history to start when it was being recorded at the very least.

 

[Admin.]

Right. Next you're gonna tell me I benefited because niggers were used as farm implements a hundred and seventy years ago.

Wall Street became a major Financial Center due to the Plantation economy of the old south, the south had a higher gdp than the north, to deny slavery contributed heavily to the wealth of the nation is sophomoric.

 

[The New Holliday]

No, but I would like history to start when it was being recorded at the very least.

Well, in that case - fuck the Spanish.
I think we have detente here.

 

[The New Holliday]

Wall Street became a major Financial Center due to the Plantation economy of the old south, the south had a higher gdp than the north, to deny slavery contributed heavily to the wealth of the nation is sophomoric.

Slavery good. (thumbsup smiley)