You were right as rain, Joo

[Murdy]

I think it's a bit of a stretch presuming they're "Trumpers" just because there's an American flag.

Preumably the Commie Hammer and Sickle or LGBT rainbow fag flag would be more to your taste?

Ain't no libs here flag wavin lol

Libs hate america. We know

Only the liberal cities have the resources to actually rehabilitate them and get them off the streets… I learned all about this process for a former client who had a med mal claim. He was in an apartment and getting training for a job when he went back to smoking meth, scaring the neighbors and terrorizing our firm.

We need mental health hospitals to make a comeback and level out the 70% of wealth that has been acquired by 10% of our population or this is not going away.

 

[Oerdin]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

I agree, conservatism is a mental illness and has to be treated first.

Okay so which conservative stances or policies do you think validate this?

Psychopathology, authoritarian attitudes, and prejudice

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Even The Atlantic (a pretty far left magazine) has an article in its current issue about left wing authoritarianism and how academia has systematically ignored it and tried to excuse it due to systematic bias.

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I suggest you read it as it is very clear you could benefit from it.

 

[Seamajor]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

I agree, conservatism is a mental illness and has to be treated first.

Okay so which conservative stances or policies do you think validate this?

Psychopathology, authoritarian attitudes, and prejudice

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Even The Atlantic (a pretty far left magazine) has an article in its current issue about left wing authoritarianism and how academia has systematically ignored it and tried to excuse it due to systematic bias.

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I suggest you read it as it is very clear you could benefit from it.

Chargers just beat KC. Great game. Ok, back to the debate

 

[Oerdin]

I think it's a bit of a stretch presuming they're "Trumpers" just because there's an American flag.

Preumably the Commie Hammer and Sickle or LGBT rainbow fag flag would be more to your taste?

Ain't no libs here flag wavin lol

Libs hate america. We know

Only the liberal cities have the resources to actually rehabilitate them and get them off the streets… I learned all about this process for a former client who had a med mal claim. He was in an apartment and getting training for a job when he went back to smoking meth, scaring the neighbors and terrorizing our firm.

We need mental health hospitals to make a comeback and level out the 70% of wealth that has been acquired by 10% of our population or this is not going away.

MediCAL (California's state version of Medicaid) covers mental health and addiction recovery. Not the best coverage, the mental health part is all out patient unless someone is in immediate danger of suicide of other such thing, but, it is still free coverage. The problem is the doctors will evaluate them, get them on the needs meds, and set them up with counseling but... As soon as they are out of the office they go off their meds and just stop showing up. If you want to change that then you need to be able to force them into Institutional care against their will as was done under "duty to care" laws from the 1930's to 1970's.

Sadly, the Supreme Court struck that down so all the state mental hospital systems were dismantled. You'd have to get the SCotUS to reverse its decision to do that though.

 

[Lokmar]

I'd execute street shitters just like I'd execute trannies and faggits. Problem solved.

 

[Dove]

I'd like to see Sindys answer to that. What conservative policies/legislation does she find authoritarian and how.

I'd also like her to describe her understanding of authoritarianism. As well as fascism.

Too many people caught up in this leftwing dogma do not have a grasp on what fascism is. They say its "right wing", and bought into the propaganda that "only right wing" can be authoritarian.

But they cannot recognize authoritarianism OR fascism in practice. So they dont see how fascism IS here, that the establishment IS fascist. I've seen them cheering actual fascism while stating they are fighting fascism.....and its bizzare and pretty frightening actually.

I'd like her to define these terms and provide examples (policy and legislative....not opinions or corporate media blather).

Sometimes I wonder if they even actually believe that propaganda.....or they know it's a partisan smear, and dont believe authoritarianism CAN rise here in the US, so they are not bothered much to really look at anything.

 

[Sindy666]

I'd like to see Sindys answer to that. What conservative policies/legislation does she find authoritarian and how.

I'd also like her to describe her understanding of authoritarianism. As well as fascism.

Too many people caught up in this leftwing dogma do not have a grasp on what fascism is. They say its "right wing", and bought into the propaganda that "only right wing" can be authoritarian.

But they cannot recognize authoritarianism OR fascism in practice. So they dont see how fascism IS here, that the establishment IS fascist. I've seen them cheering actual fascism while stating they are fighting fascism.....and its bizzare and pretty frightening actually.

I'd like her to define these terms and provide examples (policy and legislative....not opinions or corporate media blather).

Sometimes I wonder if they even actually believe that propaganda.....or they know it's a partisan smear, and dont believe authoritarianism CAN rise here in the US, so they are not bothered much to really look at anything.

You guys have way more time for this bs than I do, I don't even have time to begin to read all your drivel lmfao...

TLDR srry... :-P

 

[Sindy666]

An authoritarian policy still active in most red states is Cannabis Prohibition.... jack booted thugs arresting you for smoking a joint... thanks for playing con job...

 

[Moonpie]

Breaks my heart. I had so many awesome moments in that city, used to be a great city to go for a walk and find new places and new stuff. Nine years I lived close to NYC, went there so many times and today, it's just like the types of place I tend to avoid here in Brazoo. CRACKOLAND, that's how we call it here.

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It’s really horrible to think about. I have memories taking my kids on Christmas break to see the tree lit up. Such great memories. I have zero desire to go back. Just sad to think about.

 

[Joe]

Breaks my heart. I had so many awesome moments in that city, used to be a great city to go for a walk and find new places and new stuff. Nine years I lived close to NYC, went there so many times and today, it's just like the types of place I tend to avoid here in Brazoo. CRACKOLAND, that's how we call it here.

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Happening everywhere, rancidmilko!

Lotsa addicts here in Vancouver too. DT Vancouver is turning in ta a bit of a dump as well. That's why shopping districts are beginning to appear in the suburbs now...cuz a Lotta people would rather avoid DT now.

I've actually seen addicts shoot up in the alleys with heroin

There's a suburb across the water - North Vancouver -where a Lotta Brazilian students live. It's kinda nice there. IT'S like dt Vancouver used to be - without the homelessness, druggies & the potheads.

 

[Joe]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

Those people are caught in a viscious cycle of dependence which is difficult to break once they've fallen down/descended so far. And now they can't get out. I've seen something similar in Vancouver too. Then they become part of the streets, addicted to drugs.

Perhaps much of it is their fault, bad choices in life whatever. But just goes ta show once a person falls that far in life it's pretty hard for them to climb back to 'normal' again.

 

[Lokmar]

An authoritarian policy still active in most red states is Cannabis Prohibition.... jack booted thugs arresting you for smoking a joint... thanks for playing con job...

Hey bildo, can I join your shitty jack booted troll board and bash faggits 24/7? Lemme know, MAN!

 

[Dove]

An authoritarian policy still active in most red states is Cannabis Prohibition.... jack booted thugs arresting you for smoking a joint... thanks for playing con job...

That's a democrat law. The crime bill and war on drugs? That's an establishment endeavor(the monoparty of dems AND reps) Our current VP locked up many black men over WEED and then kept them in jail for state slave labor. Our current potato president wrote the crime bill and helped build the war on drugs.

It's not so much conservative. The most I see from conservatives on this is just agreement or apathy. Most right leaners want ALL drugs decriminalized.

Could you specify "authoritarianism"? Because you know it's the people voting for these laws?

 

[Dove]

I'd like to see Sindys answer to that. What conservative policies/legislation does she find authoritarian and how.

I'd also like her to describe her understanding of authoritarianism. As well as fascism.

Too many people caught up in this leftwing dogma do not have a grasp on what fascism is. They say its "right wing", and bought into the propaganda that "only right wing" can be authoritarian.

But they cannot recognize authoritarianism OR fascism in practice. So they dont see how fascism IS here, that the establishment IS fascist. I've seen them cheering actual fascism while stating they are fighting fascism.....and its bizzare and pretty frightening actually.

I'd like her to define these terms and provide examples (policy and legislative....not opinions or corporate media blather).

Sometimes I wonder if they even actually believe that propaganda.....or they know it's a partisan smear, and dont believe authoritarianism CAN rise here in the US, so they are not bothered much to really look at anything.

You guys have way more time for this bs than I do, I don't even have time to begin to read all your drivel lmfao...

TLDR srry... :-P

It's a forum, not Dr Suess ;)

 

[Omnipotent]

After all these years of seeing druggies, dealing with druggies and suffering druggies.... just give them their damn measure of drugs... if they kill themselves.... tough luck.

 

[Omnipotent]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

Those people are caught in a viscious cycle of dependence which is difficult to break once they've fallen down/descended so far. And now they can't get out. I've seen something similar in Vancouver too. Then they become part of the streets, addicted to drugs.

Perhaps much of it is their fault, bad choices in life whatever. But just goes ta show once a person falls that far in life it's pretty hard for them to climb back to 'normal' again.

over 1 million Afghans are addicted to heroin... look up UNODC...

 

[Dove]

After all these years of seeing druggies, dealing with druggies and suffering druggies.... just give them their damn measure of drugs... if they kill themselves.... tough luck.

They are gonna do it anyway.

When I was going through it the last thing I gave a fuck about was the law. I know there are people who are deterred from getting help because they are afraid of legal consequences or their reputation being permanently damaged. I know that makes no sense because that's more likely to happen if they do not seek help.....but addict thinking is very irrational.

 

[Omnipotent]

After all these years of seeing druggies, dealing with druggies and suffering druggies.... just give them their damn measure of drugs... if they kill themselves.... tough luck.

They are gonna do it anyway.

When I was going through it the last thing I gave a fuck about was the law. I know there are people who are deterred from getting help because they are afraid of legal consequences or their reputation being permanently damaged. I know that makes no sense because that's more likely to happen if they do not seek help.....but addict thinking is very irrational.

If druggies are given their drugs legally it'll take the criminal element away, won't it?

That is where I'm coming from.

 

[Murdy]

After all these years of seeing druggies, dealing with druggies and suffering druggies.... just give them their damn measure of drugs... if they kill themselves.... tough luck.

They are gonna do it anyway.

When I was going through it the last thing I gave a fuck about was the law. I know there are people who are deterred from getting help because they are afraid of legal consequences or their reputation being permanently damaged. I know that makes no sense because that's more likely to happen if they do not seek help.....but addict thinking is very irrational.

If druggies are given their drugs legally it'll take the criminal element away, won't it?

That is where I'm coming from.

the 3 strike law put drug addicts away for life for non-violent crimes

 

[Lokmar]

street shitters should be jailed and if they attack someone and get shot dead, there shouldnt be any consequences for the shooter.....even if its a cop!

 

[Lokmar]

Why is this nigger alive BTW? I thought cops always shot niggers dead? They sure as fuck shoulda shot this one and hanged him from a fukin light pole!

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[Omnipotent]

I'm not talking about marijuana either, I'm talking about heroin. I don't know very much about cocaine ...

 

[Joe]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

Those people are caught in a viscious cycle of dependence which is difficult to break once they've fallen down/descended so far. And now they can't get out. I've seen something similar in Vancouver too. Then they become part of the streets, addicted to drugs.

Perhaps much of it is their fault, bad choices in life whatever. But just goes ta show once a person falls that far in life it's pretty hard for them to climb back to 'normal' again.

over 1 million Afghans are addicted to heroin... look up UNODC...

...no wonder the Taliban were able ta take over Afghanistan so easily then.

The population musta been high when the Taliban invaded.

Oh well, when the high wears off, they'll have to bear the burden of what the failed to prevent taking over their society.

Then they'll pay the price for their indolence and their unwillingness to put up much of a fight.

West gave 'em all the aid they needed and they spent it on gettin' high, eh?

 

[Omnipotent]

the 3 strike law put drug addicts away for life for non-violent crimes

Jail works for some people because it has a routine they wouldn't have on the outside... but whole life, really? Sounds a tad over the top to me.

 

[Murdy]

the 3 strike law put drug addicts away for life for non-violent crimes

Jail works for some people because it has a routine they wouldn't have on the outside... but whole life, really? Sounds a tad over the top to me.

most of these people suffer from childhood trauma… so the structure of jail helps when you’ve lived in survival mode your entire life

But the US war on drugs has led us HERE.

 

[Omnipotent]

Portland is a notorious hotbed of degenerate white leftists.... I'm talking about the videos in Philly which shows various different ethnicites with drug problems.

some of the homeless tent people some food like I have you'll quickly find that most of them are down on their luck Trump supporters from all over the country. It's not a bunch of leftists out here living on the streets in tents and shitty old RV's cooking meth.... it's Trumpsters. :-P

Thank you for proving how absolutely clueless you are on this topic. As someone how volunteered at homeless shelters for some time I can say with authority there is no real hunger even among the homeless. Everyone e gets food stamps, free food handouts happen multiple times per day, there are numerous feeding programs. Food is not in any way the problem.

My local housing authority says 80% of the street homeless are addicted to drugs or alcohol and that is the main reason for their being street homeless. The people who are just down on their luck or who are fleeing abuse quickly get into shelters, transitional housing, and even supportive housing. The street homeless won't go to the shelters because shelters have rules to prevent them from becoming unsanitary mad houses. They have a daily chore roster, you can't do drugs or alcohol, there is a nightly curfew, and they have to be engaged in counseling. The street homeless refuse to do that and that is why they are on the streets. The only way to deal with the root causes is to deal with the mental illnesses and the addiction issues. Nothing else deals with the root causes for 80% of cases.

Those people are caught in a viscious cycle of dependence which is difficult to break once they've fallen down/descended so far. And now they can't get out. I've seen something similar in Vancouver too. Then they become part of the streets, addicted to drugs.

Perhaps much of it is their fault, bad choices in life whatever. But just goes ta show once a person falls that far in life it's pretty hard for them to climb back to 'normal' again.

over 1 million Afghans are addicted to heroin... look up UNODC...

...no wonder the Taliban were able ta take over Afghanistan so easily then.

The population musta been high when the Taliban invaded.

Oh well, when the high wears off, they'll have to bear the burden of what the failed to prevent taking over their society.

Then they'll pay the price for their indolence and their unwillingness to put up much of a fight.

West gave 'em all the aid they needed and they spent it on gettin' high, eh?

forget Afghanistan... we shouldn't waste 1 second of thought on them... they are one of the planet's major curses.... I predict China will take over that joint and mine it for all its worth.

 

[Dove]

After all these years of seeing druggies, dealing with druggies and suffering druggies.... just give them their damn measure of drugs... if they kill themselves.... tough luck.

They are gonna do it anyway.

When I was going through it the last thing I gave a fuck about was the law. I know there are people who are deterred from getting help because they are afraid of legal consequences or their reputation being permanently damaged. I know that makes no sense because that's more likely to happen if they do not seek help.....but addict thinking is very irrational.

If druggies are given their drugs legally it'll take the criminal element away, won't it?

That is where I'm coming from.

Right I was agreeing lol

 

[Oerdin]

the 3 strike law put drug addicts away for life for non-violent crimes

Jail works for some people because it has a routine they wouldn't have on the outside... but whole life, really? Sounds a tad over the top to me.

most of these people suffer from childhood trauma… so the structure of jail helps when you’ve lived in survival mode your entire life

But the US war on drugs has led us HERE.

If you really think "most people" have such terrible childhoods then I pity you.

 

[Lokmar]

the 3 strike law put drug addicts away for life for non-violent crimes

Jail works for some people because it has a routine they wouldn't have on the outside... but whole life, really? Sounds a tad over the top to me.

most of these people suffer from childhood trauma… so the structure of jail helps when you’ve lived in survival mode your entire life

But the US war on drugs has led us HERE.

If you really think "most people" have such terrible childhoods then I pity you.

Dumb bitch is just running from her stupidity to any escape hatch she can find.

 

[Lily]

Decriminlization of drugs has been an absolute, total, fucking disaster in every way possible.

You really think so? I've always supported decriminalization.....of course I'd like to see more outreaches for people with addiction issues and for addiction to be treated like the health crisis is actually is.

Not just decriminalizing it and leaving people to rot on a sidewalk with no help. I have a small government stance here, and the war on drugs has been an expensive shit show.

Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there. It's right up there with heroin, honestly. It's just legal and the method of consumption is more socially acceptable.....I would not say alcohol is as addictive as heroin.....but there is much difference between the two addictions, if that makes sense.

In fact I'd rather deal with a heroin junkie who will just nod out or OD at worst rather than a drunk who is dangerous to others and abusive(all drunks are).

Yup it makes less money for organized crime and regulates quality standards as Harm Reductions able to be aware of dirty drugs..

Spain I think it isnt decriminalized but is for personal amounts and crime rates have dropped

I think it's Portugal that has turned it all around with not fighting people, but helping them.

most major cities are facing this crisis… it’s deeply saddening and frustrating simultaneously

I believe you can’t rehabilitate someone who doesn’t want help and most of them don’t want it. I’m sure the average person would agree that losing everything and ending up homeless is ROCK BOTTOM.

but the courts can’t keep up with how many cases there are and it’s sad the burden they place on the communities and healthcare when they OD.

Clearly, Portugal found the right way to get it done. We can at least consider their model.