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I just think some more control would be good.
Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York, and every single American city, county, or state where more stringent gun control exists is proof that more stringent gun control not only fails but backfires.

Increasing the plurality, pervasiveness, or severity of infringements on human rights is not an answer. Reinforcing society's value for human life and self control is.
The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad. Having too much dangerous weapons in your society is a bad idea. Sooner or later people who should not get a hold of them, will get hold of them and then he shit hits the fan... And anyway, the bad guys will just get bigger guns...

I agree with you on the last part: human life and self control is very valueable.
 

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The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad.
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what it means. Shit ideas get shit results, and you're looking at the shit results which have arisen from that shit idea. That's how cause and effect works.
 

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That's why you be a responsible parent and lock them away in a safe or somewhere they can't access it.
Or, better still, that's why you educate them about it, yourself -- assuming you've gotten the necessary education for yourself first. Demystify the gun, and reinforce the knowledge that it's not a toy, that it's not "rebellious" or "cool" to "play with it". By doing so, you make it no more appealing to play with or pose with the gun in the house than the fire extinguisher.

But the bottom line is this: Dangerously irresponsible children are the products of dangerously irresponsible parents. Until they leave the house and enter the world as adults, everything they do and everything that happens to your children is on you.

I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
 

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The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad.
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what it means. Shit ideas get shit results, and you're looking at the shit results which have arisen from that shit idea. That's how cause and effect works.
Bad executon of a good idea does not make the idea a bad thing. That does not make any sense :-S
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.
 

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The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad.
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what it means. Shit ideas get shit results, and you're looking at the shit results which have arisen from that shit idea. That's how cause and effect works.
Bad executon of a good idea does not make the idea a bad thing.
Considering how many times now the idea has been executed, and observing how frequently the results not only aren't good but are, in fact, tragic... at some point you have to simply accept that it isn't a good idea. Consider this: if the execution is always bad, that in itself is the flaw that makes the idea bad.
 

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No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....?
You're missing the point that kids think guns are "cool" because they're taboo. Kids love forbidden power and affectations of adulthood. That's why underaged vaping wasn't a problem until so-called "health" authorities started screaming for teenagers not to do it -- whereupon it promply exploded in popularity. It became a point on which they could make a show of defying "authority", and that made it "cool." The outcry caused more harm than good. It always does.
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.
 

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The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad.
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what it means. Shit ideas get shit results, and you're looking at the shit results which have arisen from that shit idea. That's how cause and effect works.
Bad executon of a good idea does not make the idea a bad thing.
Considering how many times now the idea has been executed, and observing how frequently the results not only aren't good but are, in fact, tragic... at some point you have to simply accept that it isn't a good idea. Consider this: if the execution is always bad, that in itself is the flaw that makes the idea bad.
I have a different word for that: sabotage. The Gun-lovers sabotage the correct executing
 

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The fact that those cities did a bad job, does not mean that the idea is bad.
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what it means. Shit ideas get shit results, and you're looking at the shit results which have arisen from that shit idea. That's how cause and effect works.
Bad executon of a good idea does not make the idea a bad thing.
Considering how many times now the idea has been executed, and observing how frequently the results not only aren't good but are, in fact, tragic... at some point you have to simply accept that it isn't a good idea. Consider this: if the execution is always bad, that in itself is the flaw that makes the idea bad.
I have a different word for that: sabotage. The Gun-lovers sabotage the correct executing
If an idea can be sabotaged, again, it's not a good idea. See, here's where I think people who are pro- human rights and people who don't mind their human rights being compromised arrive at a chasm of differing opinion:

The latter judge ideas by the intentions those ideas are sold on. The former judge ideas on the results they produce. Bad results = bad idea.
 

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I have a different word for that: sabotage. The Gun-lovers sabotage the correct executing
If an idea can be sabotaged, again, it's not a good idea. See, here's where I think people who are pro- human rights and people who don't mind their human rights being compromised arrive at a chasm of differing opinion:

The latter judge ideas by the intentions those ideas are sold on. The former judge ideas on the results they produce. Bad results = bad idea.
So if you hire a contractor to build you a house and he messes up, then building a house is a bad idea and the whole mankind should stop building houses? Ehhmm.... that does not really make sense...

Good ideas can be exected in a bad manner and in politics that is -unfortunately- pretty common. And the whole gun stuff is a lot of politics.
 

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So if you hire a contractor to build you a house and he messes up, then building a house is a bad idea and the whole mankind should stop building houses?
Bad comparison. Here's a better one: You have 5 kids. They're all noisy. One expert tells you to hit the kid in the head with a baseball bat. Whoops! Dead kid. Next expert tells you to hit the next kid in the head with a baseball bat. Whoops! Dead kid. At what point do you stop listening to "experts" telling you to hit the kid in the head with a baseball bat?

There is no "right" way to execute a bad idea and get good results.

We're not getting good results.

So it should be apparent by now that it's a bad idea.
 

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" If an idea can be sabotaged, again, it's not a good idea " :Confused3:


:Confused:
 

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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
 

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LOL

You like old quotes, right ?
remember his ?
 

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Cute. Tell me somethin':



Does that look like the result of good ideas to you?
 

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Yas et do
 
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