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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
You completely miss the point of what I said.

Gun exist. I do not deny that. Bad people will (ab)use guns. I do not deny that.

America would be a better place if not everyone was allowed to have a gun. That is what I say.
This will decrease the amount of accidents with guns, especially accidents with guns & children.

And the less guns there are available, the harder it will be to get one. Does that mean criminals will never get hold of a gun? Ofcourse not! But making is harder, makes the world a bit better. At lease the crimes of passion will be less severe.
When guns are everywhere, getting an (illegal) gun is easy. When it is limited, it is harder. Compare the amount of gun related "incidents" in the US to those in any European country. You will be amazed.
It will also stop the weapens race to get more powerful weapens that the other might have. Which in its turn will make accidents with gun less severe.

I think the biggest problem with gun control in the US is people that use arguments like yours. Arguments that do not make sense at all.
And again, I know that making prohibiting people to having a gun in the US is something that cannot be done one the short term. Therefor I would go for limiting the amount of people that are allowed to have a gun, by getting out the most likely people to abuse it. There has to be a first step, since it has already gone way too far.

Having a gun has nothing to do with freedom. If you want freedom, you should get out of the US.
Do you think you have to protect your family or yourself? Buy some better locks or an alarm system.
 

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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
You completely miss the point of what I said.

Gun exist. I do not deny that. Bad people will (ab)use guns. I do not deny that.

America would be a better place if not everyone was allowed to have a gun. That is what I say.
This will decrease the amount of accidents with guns, especially accidents with guns & children.

And the less guns there are available, the harder it will be to get one. Does that mean criminals will never get hold of a gun? Ofcourse not! But making is harder, makes the world a bit better. At lease the crimes of passion will be less severe.
When guns are everywhere, getting an (illegal) gun is easy. When it is limited, it is harder. Compare the amount of gun related "incidents" in the US to those in any European country. You will be amazed.
It will also stop the weapens race to get more powerful weapens that the other might have. Which in its turn will make accidents with gun less severe.

I think the biggest problem with gun control in the US is people that use arguments like yours. Arguments that do not make sense at all.
And again, I know that making prohibiting people to having a gun in the US is something that cannot be done one the short term. Therefor I would go for limiting the amount of people that are allowed to have a gun, by getting out the most likely people to abuse it. There has to be a first step, since it has already gone way too far.

Having a gun has nothing to do with freedom. If you want freedom, you should get out of the US.
Do you think you have to protect your family or yourself? Buy some better locks or an alarm system.

That's not a right thing to do.....to take the 2nd ammendment from those who still have it due to those that have violated their right to have it. You think that I shouldn't have/own a gun just because a felon could possibly obtain/access that gun and do damage with it, right? Hell to the FUCK NO!! You don't take someone's right to bear arms from them just because an asshole decides he wants to commit a crime with one. The GOOD PEOPLE don't abuse their rights to bear arms. That's why there IS gun control in the US, it's just not as "strict" as other countries. You can buy a gun in the US but there are certain criteria you have to meet in order to own one. You can't just walk into a pawn shop or firearm store and purchase a gun. You have to be of legal age and they check your criminal history. If you are a convicted felon, you can't own a gun or be in possession of one. Laws and rules apply to everyone. Once you commit certain crimes and violate certain laws, you pretty much give up your 2nd ammendment rights. You no longer have them. That's like saying you should kill the entire pitbull breed of dog just because of what one or two do.
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.

What I meant was that a gun is a "tool" much like a saw is a "tool". It's not meant to be used to "kill" although it is used to kill.....
 

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I, too, like guns. I like my Springfield XD-E Single Stack .45ACP with Veridian. Potent little fucker and it didn't break the bank, even for a freelance writer such as m'self.
Last summer I picked up a Remington 1911 .45 acp. I also have a Norinco 1911 .45acp and a Sig Sauer 1911 .22lr
I'm in love.......
Until a kid gets hold of the gun and the damage is not to imagine :-(

That's why you be a responsible parent and lock them away in a safe or somewhere they can't access it. You own guns to keep your kids safe from crazy pedophiles and rapists that could potentially break into your home at night while you sleep.....mf would eat some lead in my house!!! When you're a single mom with 2 kids, that's what you do to keep your babies safe.
Do you know that single mothers in the Netherlands hardly ever own a gun? And do you know how often people break in to do something to their kids? Almost 0...
Now, let's check: how often do the single mothers in the US use the gun to protect their children agains the situation you described?

Well I suppose it all depends on her location and the crime rate in that area. Not everything us all "peaches and cream" in America compared to your Netherlands. In America, a woman can own a gun. I own quite a few and I am pro our 2nd ammendment rights. Our 2nd amendment was given to us so we can defend ourselves from a tyrannical government.....blowing someone's head off in their attempt to hurt you or your child is just a bonus.
i agree, shotgun in the face !
but kids and pistols, rifles, shotties under the same roof isn't my thing..
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.

What I meant was that a gun is a "tool" much like a saw is a "tool". It's not meant to be used to "kill" although it is used to kill.....
The intention of a gun is to kill.
 

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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
You completely miss the point of what I said.

Gun exist. I do not deny that. Bad people will (ab)use guns. I do not deny that.

America would be a better place if not everyone was allowed to have a gun. That is what I say.
This will decrease the amount of accidents with guns, especially accidents with guns & children.

And the less guns there are available, the harder it will be to get one. Does that mean criminals will never get hold of a gun? Ofcourse not! But making is harder, makes the world a bit better. At lease the crimes of passion will be less severe.
When guns are everywhere, getting an (illegal) gun is easy. When it is limited, it is harder. Compare the amount of gun related "incidents" in the US to those in any European country. You will be amazed.
It will also stop the weapens race to get more powerful weapens that the other might have. Which in its turn will make accidents with gun less severe.

I think the biggest problem with gun control in the US is people that use arguments like yours. Arguments that do not make sense at all.
And again, I know that making prohibiting people to having a gun in the US is something that cannot be done one the short term. Therefor I would go for limiting the amount of people that are allowed to have a gun, by getting out the most likely people to abuse it. There has to be a first step, since it has already gone way too far.

Having a gun has nothing to do with freedom. If you want freedom, you should get out of the US.
Do you think you have to protect your family or yourself? Buy some better locks or an alarm system.

That's not a right thing to do.....to take the 2nd ammendment from those who still have it due to those that have violated their right to have it. You think that I shouldn't have/own a gun just because a felon could possibly obtain/access that gun and do damage with it, right? Hell to the FUCK NO!! You don't take someone's right to bear arms from them just because an asshole decides he wants to commit a crime with one. The GOOD PEOPLE don't abuse their rights to bear arms. That's why there IS gun control in the US, it's just not as "strict" as other countries. You can buy a gun in the US but there are certain criteria you have to meet in order to own one. You can't just walk into a pawn shop or firearm store and purchase a gun. You have to be of legal age and they check your criminal history. If you are a convicted felon, you can't own a gun or be in possession of one. Laws and rules apply to everyone. Once you commit certain crimes and violate certain laws, you pretty much give up your 2nd ammendment rights. You no longer have them. That's like saying you should kill the entire pitbull breed of dog just because of what one or two do.
It looks like all the pro-gun-people keep holding onto the "2nd ammendment". That is not an argument.
Someone wrote something stupid in the law. Let's get it erased as soon as possible!

The people in the US should use Europe as an example. It works not to have gun everywhere. Life is better.
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.

What I meant was that a gun is a "tool" much like a saw is a "tool". It's not meant to be used to "kill" although it is used to kill.....
The intention of a gun is to kill.
No you fucking idiot... guns don't have intentions.

But people do... ffs
 

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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
You completely miss the point of what I said.

Gun exist. I do not deny that. Bad people will (ab)use guns. I do not deny that.

America would be a better place if not everyone was allowed to have a gun. That is what I say.
This will decrease the amount of accidents with guns, especially accidents with guns & children.

And the less guns there are available, the harder it will be to get one. Does that mean criminals will never get hold of a gun? Ofcourse not! But making is harder, makes the world a bit better. At lease the crimes of passion will be less severe.
When guns are everywhere, getting an (illegal) gun is easy. When it is limited, it is harder. Compare the amount of gun related "incidents" in the US to those in any European country. You will be amazed.
It will also stop the weapens race to get more powerful weapens that the other might have. Which in its turn will make accidents with gun less severe.

I think the biggest problem with gun control in the US is people that use arguments like yours. Arguments that do not make sense at all.
And again, I know that making prohibiting people to having a gun in the US is something that cannot be done one the short term. Therefor I would go for limiting the amount of people that are allowed to have a gun, by getting out the most likely people to abuse it. There has to be a first step, since it has already gone way too far.

Having a gun has nothing to do with freedom. If you want freedom, you should get out of the US.
Do you think you have to protect your family or yourself? Buy some better locks or an alarm system.

That's not a right thing to do.....to take the 2nd ammendment from those who still have it due to those that have violated their right to have it. You think that I shouldn't have/own a gun just because a felon could possibly obtain/access that gun and do damage with it, right? Hell to the FUCK NO!! You don't take someone's right to bear arms from them just because an asshole decides he wants to commit a crime with one. The GOOD PEOPLE don't abuse their rights to bear arms. That's why there IS gun control in the US, it's just not as "strict" as other countries. You can buy a gun in the US but there are certain criteria you have to meet in order to own one. You can't just walk into a pawn shop or firearm store and purchase a gun. You have to be of legal age and they check your criminal history. If you are a convicted felon, you can't own a gun or be in possession of one. Laws and rules apply to everyone. Once you commit certain crimes and violate certain laws, you pretty much give up your 2nd ammendment rights. You no longer have them. That's like saying you should kill the entire pitbull breed of dog just because of what one or two do.
It looks like all the pro-gun-people keep holding onto the "2nd ammendment". That is not an argument.
Someone wrote something stupid in the law. Let's get it erased as soon as possible!

The people in the US should use Europe as an example. It works not to have gun everywhere. Life is better.
 

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Good ideas start from solid premises based on repeatable observation and testing, leave no room for loopholes, and have clearly defined objectives.

If your idea is so poorly defined or based on such faulty premises that its execution not only fails to achieve its intended goals but actually results in their direct opposites? It was poorly conceived, based on a faulty assumption, or worse: both. In short, it was a bad idea.

The faulty assumption, where gun control is concerned, is that people will commit crimes like robbery and murder -- but strictly obey lesser laws that decide what weapons they can use to commit those much more serious crimes. They won't. If they're willing to break the law by killing another human being, they're not going to obey a law that says they can't have a weapon to make it easier. They'll break that law, too -- and as we can see, they do.
You completely miss the point of what I said.

Gun exist. I do not deny that. Bad people will (ab)use guns. I do not deny that.

America would be a better place if not everyone was allowed to have a gun. That is what I say.
This will decrease the amount of accidents with guns, especially accidents with guns & children.

And the less guns there are available, the harder it will be to get one. Does that mean criminals will never get hold of a gun? Ofcourse not! But making is harder, makes the world a bit better. At lease the crimes of passion will be less severe.
When guns are everywhere, getting an (illegal) gun is easy. When it is limited, it is harder. Compare the amount of gun related "incidents" in the US to those in any European country. You will be amazed.
It will also stop the weapens race to get more powerful weapens that the other might have. Which in its turn will make accidents with gun less severe.

I think the biggest problem with gun control in the US is people that use arguments like yours. Arguments that do not make sense at all.
And again, I know that making prohibiting people to having a gun in the US is something that cannot be done one the short term. Therefor I would go for limiting the amount of people that are allowed to have a gun, by getting out the most likely people to abuse it. There has to be a first step, since it has already gone way too far.

Having a gun has nothing to do with freedom. If you want freedom, you should get out of the US.
Do you think you have to protect your family or yourself? Buy some better locks or an alarm system.

That's not a right thing to do.....to take the 2nd ammendment from those who still have it due to those that have violated their right to have it. You think that I shouldn't have/own a gun just because a felon could possibly obtain/access that gun and do damage with it, right? Hell to the FUCK NO!! You don't take someone's right to bear arms from them just because an asshole decides he wants to commit a crime with one. The GOOD PEOPLE don't abuse their rights to bear arms. That's why there IS gun control in the US, it's just not as "strict" as other countries. You can buy a gun in the US but there are certain criteria you have to meet in order to own one. You can't just walk into a pawn shop or firearm store and purchase a gun. You have to be of legal age and they check your criminal history. If you are a convicted felon, you can't own a gun or be in possession of one. Laws and rules apply to everyone. Once you commit certain crimes and violate certain laws, you pretty much give up your 2nd ammendment rights. You no longer have them. That's like saying you should kill the entire pitbull breed of dog just because of what one or two do.
It looks like all the pro-gun-people keep holding onto the "2nd ammendment". That is not an argument.
Someone wrote something stupid in the law. Let's get it erased as soon as possible!

The people in the US should use Europe as an example. It works not to have gun everywhere. Life is better.
It took Canadians and Americans with guns to rescue you twice from wars because you could not defend yourself.

Yeah go ahead and live without guns and we'll count all the dead bodies the muslims leave behind in your shit hole country.
 

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I agree. My children know that a gun is a tool and if they see it not to touch it. It's no different than having a skill saw out or any other tool that could be harmful to them. They know not to go near it. I teach my children. When they reach a certain age they will be going to a gun range with me and learning how to shoot. I am already teaching them everything there is to know about a gun. I've been going to gun ranges since I was 24 years old. I'm 37 now. Trust me when I say, I know how to use a gun well enough. Most men/women that rob/kill take advantage of women that appear to be helpless...the ones with children....walking around without the father with them...scoping them out. I know how this shit works. We already have a system that shows who is allowed/not allowed to own a gun. It works for the most part when guns are being obtained "legally" but it doesn't control the black market (although law enforcement is trying to crack down on illegal firearms and those who posses them illegally).
The problem is that a gun and a saw are completely different in its "status". No kid would think about having a "cool picture" of himself on Tiktok/Facebook/Insta/Etc. woth a saw, but with a gun....? We have all seen the examples. And even the examples where is has gone wrong and the gun fired by accident.

I love the fact that you educate your children about guns. I really do, because education is very important for scary stuff like that.
I just know that not all parents can or will do it. And you might be a good example, but unfortunately for every good example there are multiple bad examples.

But the fact remains that the more weapens there are, the more they will be misused. Any person, adult or child, that gets harmed where it is not neccessary should be prevented in my opinion. And I live in a place where we show the proof that owning a gun is not required.

What I meant was that a gun is a "tool" much like a saw is a "tool". It's not meant to be used to "kill" although it is used to kill.....
The intention of a gun is to kill.
No you fucking idiot... guns don't have intentions.

But people do... ffs
Thank you.
 

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The owning of weapons for personal self defense -- even with lethal force -- is a human right.

Those who seek to curtail that right are would-be human rights violators.

Period.
 

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The owning of weapons for personal self defense -- even with lethal force -- is a human right.

Those who seek to curtail that right are would-be human rights violators.

Period.
While I agree that humans kill and guns do not. Many countries on this earth have gun laws that range from zero gun tolerance to banning of assault weapons to anything goes like in the US. You’re wrong amigo, it not a human right.
 

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Today millions and millions of law abiding gun owners did not shoot anyone. (myself included)
 

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Today millions and millions of law abiding gun owners did not shoot anyone. (myself included)
Mo argument amigo