The Confederate Flag; Heritage or Hate?

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From someone who teaches AP US History:

If you are confused as to why so many Americans are defending the confederate flag, monuments, and statues right now, I put together a quick Q&A, with questions from a hypothetical person with misconceptions and answers from my perspective as an AP U.S. History Teacher:

Q: What did the Confederacy stand for?

A: Rather than interpreting, let's go directly to the words of the Confederacy's Vice President, Alexander Stephens. In his "Cornerstone Speech" on March 21, 1861, he stated "The Constitution... rested upon the equality of races. This was an error. Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Q: But people keep saying heritage, not hate! They think the purpose of the flags and monuments are to honor confederate soldiers, right?

A: The vast majority of confederate flags flying over government buildings in the south were first put up in the 1960's during the Civil Rights Movement. So for the first hundred years after the Civil War ended, while relatives of those who fought in it were still alive, the confederate flag wasn't much of a symbol at all. But when Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Lewis were marching on Washington to get the Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) passed, leaders in the south felt compelled to fly confederate flags and put up monuments to honor people who had no living family members and had fought in a war that ended a century ago. Their purpose in doing this was to exhibit their displeasure with black people fighting for basic human rights that were guaranteed to them in the 14th and 15th Amendments but being withheld by racist policies and practices.

Q: But if we take down confederate statues and monuments, how will we teach about and remember the past?

A: Monuments and statues pose little educational relevance, whereas museums, the rightful place for Confederate paraphernalia, can provide more educational opportunities for citizens to learn about our country's history. The Civil War is important to learn about, and will always loom large in social studies curriculum. Removing monuments from public places and putting them in museums also allows us to avoid celebrating and honoring people who believed that tens of millions of black Americans should be legal property.

Q: But what if the Confederate flag symbol means something different to me?

A: Individuals aren't able to change the meaning of symbols that have been defined by history. When I hang a Bucs flag outside my house, to me, the Bucs might represent the best team in the NFL, but to the outside world, they represent an awful NFL team, since they haven't won a playoff game in 18 years. I can't change that meaning for everyone who drives by my house because it has been established for the whole world to see. If a Confederate flag stands for generic rebellion or southern pride to you, your personal interpretation forfeits any meaning once you display it publicly, as its meaning takes on the meaning it earned when a failed regime killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in an attempt to destroy America and keep black people enslaved forever.

Q: But my uncle posted a meme that said the Civil War/Confederacy was about state's rights and not slavery?

A: "A state's right to what?" - John Green

Q: Everyone is offended about everything these days. Should we take everything down that offends anyone?

A: The Confederacy literally existed to go against the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the idea that black people are human beings that deserve to live freely. If that doesn't upset or offend you, you are un-American.

Q: Taking these down goes against the First Amendment and freedom of speech, right?

A: No. Anyone can do whatever they want on their private property, on their social media, etc. Taking these down in public, or having private corporations like NASCAR ban them on their properties, has literally nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Q: How can people claim to be patriotic while supporting a flag that stood for a group of insurgent failures who tried to permanently destroy America and killed 300,000 Americans in the process?

A: No clue.

Q: So if I made a confederate flag my profile picture, or put a confederate bumper sticker on my car, what am I declaring to my friends, family, and the world?

A: That you support the Confederacy. To recap, the Confederacy stands for: slavery, white supremacy, treason, failure, and a desire to permanently destroy Selective history as it supports white supremacy.

It’s no accident that:

You learned about Helen Keller instead of W.E.B, DuBois

You learned about the Watts and L.A. Riots, but not Tulsa or Wilmington.

You learned that George Washington’s dentures were made from wood, rather than the teeth from slaves.

You learned about black ghettos, but not about Black Wall Street.

You learned about the New Deal, but not “red lining.”

You learned about Tommie Smith’s fist in the air at the 1968 Olympics, but not that he was sent home the next day and stripped of his medals.

You learned about “black crime,” but white criminals were never lumped together and discussed in terms of their race.

You learned about “states rights” as the cause of the Civil War, but not that slavery was mentioned 80 times in the articles of secession.

Privilege is having history rewritten so that you don’t have to acknowledge uncomfortable facts.

Racism is perpetuated by people who refuse to learn or acknowledge this reality.

You have a choice. - Jim Golden
 
It's almost like @The Asshat has to search for things to cry about.
Stop raping otters.

See? I can make shit up, too.

Now call disputing your bullshit 'crying' again; I've got plenty of ammunition, and I'm just waiting for you to give me another excuse to open fire.
 
From someone who teaches AP US History:

If you are confused as to why so many Americans are defending the confederate flag, monuments, and statues right now, I put together a quick Q&A, with questions from a hypothetical person with misconceptions and answers from my perspective as an AP U.S. History Teacher:

Q: What did the Confederacy stand for?

A: Rather than interpreting, let's go directly to the words of the Confederacy's Vice President, Alexander Stephens. In his "Cornerstone Speech" on March 21, 1861, he stated "The Constitution... rested upon the equality of races. This was an error. Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Q: But people keep saying heritage, not hate! They think the purpose of the flags and monuments are to honor confederate soldiers, right?

A: The vast majority of confederate flags flying over government buildings in the south were first put up in the 1960's during the Civil Rights Movement. So for the first hundred years after the Civil War ended, while relatives of those who fought in it were still alive, the confederate flag wasn't much of a symbol at all. But when Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Lewis were marching on Washington to get the Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) passed, leaders in the south felt compelled to fly confederate flags and put up monuments to honor people who had no living family members and had fought in a war that ended a century ago. Their purpose in doing this was to exhibit their displeasure with black people fighting for basic human rights that were guaranteed to them in the 14th and 15th Amendments but being withheld by racist policies and practices.

Q: But if we take down confederate statues and monuments, how will we teach about and remember the past?

A: Monuments and statues pose little educational relevance, whereas museums, the rightful place for Confederate paraphernalia, can provide more educational opportunities for citizens to learn about our country's history. The Civil War is important to learn about, and will always loom large in social studies curriculum. Removing monuments from public places and putting them in museums also allows us to avoid celebrating and honoring people who believed that tens of millions of black Americans should be legal property.

Q: But what if the Confederate flag symbol means something different to me?

A: Individuals aren't able to change the meaning of symbols that have been defined by history. When I hang a Bucs flag outside my house, to me, the Bucs might represent the best team in the NFL, but to the outside world, they represent an awful NFL team, since they haven't won a playoff game in 18 years. I can't change that meaning for everyone who drives by my house because it has been established for the whole world to see. If a Confederate flag stands for generic rebellion or southern pride to you, your personal interpretation forfeits any meaning once you display it publicly, as its meaning takes on the meaning it earned when a failed regime killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in an attempt to destroy America and keep black people enslaved forever.

Q: But my uncle posted a meme that said the Civil War/Confederacy was about state's rights and not slavery?

A: "A state's right to what?" - John Green

Q: Everyone is offended about everything these days. Should we take everything down that offends anyone?

A: The Confederacy literally existed to go against the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the idea that black people are human beings that deserve to live freely. If that doesn't upset or offend you, you are un-American.

Q: Taking these down goes against the First Amendment and freedom of speech, right?

A: No. Anyone can do whatever they want on their private property, on their social media, etc. Taking these down in public, or having private corporations like NASCAR ban them on their properties, has literally nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Q: How can people claim to be patriotic while supporting a flag that stood for a group of insurgent failures who tried to permanently destroy America and killed 300,000 Americans in the process?

A: No clue.

Q: So if I made a confederate flag my profile picture, or put a confederate bumper sticker on my car, what am I declaring to my friends, family, and the world?

A: That you support the Confederacy. To recap, the Confederacy stands for: slavery, white supremacy, treason, failure, and a desire to permanently destroy Selective history as it supports white supremacy.

It’s no accident that:

You learned about Helen Keller instead of W.E.B, DuBois

You learned about the Watts and L.A. Riots, but not Tulsa or Wilmington.

You learned that George Washington’s dentures were made from wood, rather than the teeth from slaves.

You learned about black ghettos, but not about Black Wall Street.

You learned about the New Deal, but not “red lining.”

You learned about Tommie Smith’s fist in the air at the 1968 Olympics, but not that he was sent home the next day and stripped of his medals.

You learned about “black crime,” but white criminals were never lumped together and discussed in terms of their race.

You learned about “states rights” as the cause of the Civil War, but not that slavery was mentioned 80 times in the articles of secession.

Privilege is having history rewritten so that you don’t have to acknowledge uncomfortable facts.

Racism is perpetuated by people who refuse to learn or acknowledge this reality.

You have a choice. - Jim Golden
There is a statue of Lenin in Seattle since 1995 no conservative ever took down.

Liberals fight for everything everytime all the time.. even pronouns.

Conservatives pick & choose battles. We have better things to do & better lives to lead & better memories to make.

Prove me wrong. If you even dare.
 
There is a statue of Lenin in Seattle since 1995 no conservative ever took down.

Liberals fight for everything everytime all the time.. even pronouns.

Conservatives pick & choose battles. We have better things to do & better lives to lead & better memories to make.

Prove me wrong. If you even dare.
Fun Fact: The Statue was bought by a private individual and placed on private property where it stand today by an individual who thought he could make a buck off of it. He died before he made that happen, the statue is where it is because of Capitalism. WHY DO YOU HATE CAPITALISM?
 
Fun Fact: The Statue was bought by a private individual and placed on private property where it stand today by an individual who thought he could make a buck off of it. He died before he made that happen, the statue is where it is because of Capitalism. WHY DO YOU HATE CAPITALISM?
My point stands. Fighting against a thing is a ridiculous construct. My regards to Captain Dunsel.
 
You thinking I'm not white shows your intelligence level.

I should expect that coming from someone who cosplays a white nationalist all while glazing the biggest zionist politician today lol
 
You thinking I'm not white shows your intelligence level.

I should expect that coming from someone who cosplays a white nationalist all while glazing the biggest zionist politician today lol

Are you willing to admit you want the jews cleaned out of Isreal by any means nessesary? Because to not be zionist is to be pro finishing what the nazis started.

Islam was allied with the Nazis. They shared the same goal.

Its bizzare seeing western people who claim be liberals oppose the only country in the middle were women and homosexuals have rights and cuck so hard for filthy ass terrorists who want genocide. Using their language.

Just sick. I read the 36 articles of the 1988 Hamas charter. They are psychos. And so is everyone who supports them.
 
Lol the Jewish people are fine.

The conservative government of Israel not so much.

It's worth pointing out the the 3 government administrations in the U.S., Israel, and Iran are conservative and need to go. The world would be a better place. Anyone with a brain can see it very clearly.
 
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Lol the Jewish people are fine.

The conservative government of Israel not so much.

It's worth pointing out the the 3 government administrations in the U.S., Israel, and Iran are conservative and need to go. The world would be a better place. Anyone with a brain can see it very clearly.
Do you think Palestine would be fine if not for lobbing rockets into Israel?

Funny that, eh?

People castigate the usa for doing shit to other countries.

Everyone at some point does shit against something.

This argument is sad & weak.

Final judgement is far more harsh to act or not than tik tokker arm chair quarterbacks after the fact & facts.

Evolution is friendlier to adapting than embracing so please remember this when judging from your hightower of straw.
 
My point stands. Fighting against a thing is a ridiculous construct. My regards to Captain Dunsel.
What is it about private property in the United States of American that you don't understand?

I like this quote from Gore Vidal.




“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”​

― Gore Vidal
 
What is it about private property in the United States of American that you don't understand?

I like this quote from Gore Vidal.




“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”​

― Gore Vidal
If you didn't limit who could peruse your profile we could agree on sides being same reject coin. My quarrel is not with you who wants to make the system better.

Our quarrel is making the system better.
 
If you didn't limit who could peruse your profile we could agree on sides being same reject coin. My quarrel is not with you who wants to make the system better.

Our quarrel is making the system better.
You're overthinking, you're upset about a private individual in the USA owning a statue that you object to. End of story. It's not on public land in a University, Park or City Hall, it's on private property.
 
Do you think Palestine would be fine if not for lobbing rockets into Israel?

Funny that, eh?

People castigate the usa for doing shit to other countries.

Everyone at some point does shit against something.

This argument is sad & weak.

Final judgement is far more harsh to act or not than tik tokker arm chair quarterbacks after the fact & facts.

Evolution is friendlier to adapting than embracing so please remember this when judging from your hightower of straw.


Kong Qiu say: flush the turd down, all of that brown, watch it go round, don't be a clown.
 
You're overthinking, you're upset about a private individual in the USA owning a statue that you object to. End of story. It's not on public land in a University, Park or City Hall, it's on private property.
I'm pretty sure at the end of the day we are on close ground.
 
Americans here, the popularity & presence of the Confederate flag 250 years after America's founding suggests to me that the 'United' States was never truly that United.

The USA for better or worse has always been 2 Countries divided socially politically & culturally whose differences have never been resolved. North & South. Red State vs Blue.

The USA was initially a marriage of convenience with 13 colonies quite different from one another. And of course it blew up in their faces during the American Civil War.

In fact I think the USA's initial design is more fractious than Canada's Confederation which has 2 distinct languages & cultures. English & French. but unlike the US Canada has been able fashion a compromise which keeps the country together. But the USA has not.
 
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Americans here, the popularity & presence of the Confederate flag 250 years after America's founding suggests to me that the 'United' States was never truly that United.

The USA for better or worse has always been 2 Countries divided socially politically & culturally whose differences have never been resolved. North & South. Red State vs Blue.

The USA was initially a marriage of convenience with 13 colonies quite different from one another. And of course it blew up in their faces during the American Civil War.

In fact I think the USA's initial design is more fractious than Canada's Confederation which has 2 distinct languages & cultures. English & French. but unlike the US Canada has been able fashion a compromise which keeps the country together.fashion But the USA has not.
If you want for the fall of mankind then good luck to you.


My hope lies in the other way.
 
Americans here, the popularity & presence of the Confederate flag 250 years after America's founding suggests to me that the 'United' States was never truly that United.

The USA for better or worse has always been 2 Countries divided socially politically & culturally whose differences have never been resolved. North & South. Red State vs Blue.

The USA was initially a marriage of convenience with 13 colonies quite different from one another. And of course it blew up in their faces during the American Civil War.

In fact I think the USA's initial design is more fractious than Canada's Confederation which has 2 distinct languages & cultures. English & French. but unlike the US Canada has been able fashion a compromise which keeps the country together.fashion But the USA has not.
When I sought my own I came to two realizations.
The world is indifferent.
Parents for the most part want what is best because they came saw & died.
 
Americans here, the popularity & presence of the Confederate flag 250 years after America's founding suggests to me that the 'United' States was never truly that United.

The USA for better or worse has always been 2 Countries divided socially politically & culturally whose differences have never been resolved. North & South. Red State vs Blue.

The USA was initially a marriage of convenience with 13 colonies quite different from one another. And of course it blew up in their faces during the American Civil War.

In fact I think the USA's initial design is more fractious than Canada's Confederation which has 2 distinct languages & cultures. English & French. but unlike the US Canada has been able fashion a compromise which keeps the country together.fashion But the USA has not.
The fact you want to break me apart from fellow humanity is endearing as much as it is the same excuse you embrace others.