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Start with understanding what kind of country America is. And understanding the roles of each branch of government and how it's set up in a system of checks and balances to make sure individuals get represented. Its truly ran by the people.

A pure democracy is best compared to gang rape.

When a gang rape is occurring, its directly the will of the majority over riding the will of the individual. Get how that works?

We are a representative "democracy".....a Constitutional Republic.

All over turning Roe did was turn the laws and regulations back over to the states where the people will decide them via their reps and legislators. It's a beautiful democratic process. You SHOULD be happy to see democracy in action. So it's pretty confusing for anyone to be ranting about "tyranny" of a "minority" here when what occurred was the opposite.

The SCOTUS simply decided that this should be left to the states. They didnt make any law. They didnt ban anything. They let go of the control and turned it over to the people.

So if you truly believe the majority wants abortion legal and unfettered......you really shouldnt be bothered because it's a done deal.

Unless if course you guys know MOST people want at LEAST restrictions. The majority of those who consider themselves "pro choice" STILL want restrictions.
 

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These skidmarks don't even understand their own laws, and how they relate to federal and state levels.

No Bland.....YOU are the one here who doesnt understand how America is governed or what exactly happened with the SCOTUS.

You are ranting delusions.
 

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to give the states the right of choice, that was the very essence of Roe vs Wade.

No, the exact opposite. Roe removed Democratic choice from the states and the people and it couldn't even state what specific part of the constitution gave the court the power to do so. They literally said we imagine right X and so that gives us the power to image right Y also exists.

The current court literally just read the constitution, correctly found abortion was not specifically mentioned as a power enumerated by the constitution for the feds so therefore the 10th applies that all rights not specifically enumerated for the feds are reserved for the individual states. So now things are constitutionally compliant and more democratic.
 

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Via a system based on a EC that has fuck all to do with votes cast.

The EC only effects the presidency not state elections. It is states which will decide regulations on abortion.

Maybe educate yourself a bit on the topic before spewing ignorant nonsense?

He thinks the electoral college decides our state laws?

Oh good lort!


But your state laws needed SCOTUS to interfere with federal law. You don't seem to comprehend your own system of governance.

It was federal law they overturned.

Bland RoeVWade was not a law. It was a DECISION.

Anyone was free to challange it and that's exactly what happened. It was challanged and overturned.

Maybe you should chill for a few minutes and educate yourself on how the American government works. You think you know....but you are wrong.

Yes a federal decision was overturned and now the STATES can decide their own laws and regulations on abortion. So now a democratic process is FREE to occur. You keep blathering about the tyranny of the minority.....the SCOTUS decision was literally that. Now that there is LESS government, the people get to vote and decide how that looks in thier own states. You know....where they live and pay taxes. The people should be the ones making these decisions.

What you want is the government to force YOUR values onto the entire country. Not just that....but you want to see that happen AND you want to call it democracy. That's just government tyranny. Talk about autocracy? That's exactly what you are arguing for.
 

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When even RBG says you are wrong about Roe you really should stop and reconsider. Maybe even learn more about why she said that and the reasons behind it.
 

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to give the states the right of choice, that was the very essence of Roe vs Wade.

No, the exact opposite. Roe removed Democratic choice from the states and the people and it couldn't even state what specific part of the constitution gave the court the power to do so. They literally said we imagine right X and so that gives us the power to image right Y also exists.

The current court literally just read the constitution, correctly found abortion was not specifically mentioned as a power enumerated by the constitution for the feds so therefore the 10th applies that all rights not specifically enumerated for the feds are reserved for the individual states. So now things are constitutionally compliant and more democratic.

Blandy doesnt want democracy here unless he knows it will be in favor of shit he wants.

When leftists say "democracy" what they really mean is "my power". That's why he is pissed that abortion is no longer in the hands of the federal government and the abortion lobby and the corporate elite who profit off it and scam our tax dollars.
 

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These skidmarks don't even understand their own laws, and how they relate to federal and state levels.

Says the guy who literally got everything qrong so far and thinks he is more of a constitutional "scholar" than the Supreme Court Justices! LOL!
 

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These skidmarks don't even understand their own laws, and how they relate to federal and state levels.

Says the guy who literally got everything qrong so far and thinks he is more of a constitutional "scholar" than the Supreme Court Justices! LOL!

Right? And he also says he is open to be educated but he completely fucking refuses to accept facts about anything.

He also used to say that it was global medical consensus that a human fetus wasnt considered a living human anywhere until 24 weeks of gestation. Which is a whole other level of determined ignorance even after he was shown multiple primary and peer reviewed scientific sources and even being shown micro premies at 22 and 23 weeks gestation who were born and survived.

There is no medical science anywhere that claims human life begins at 24 weeks gestation. ALL of it says conception.

He thinks his extremist politcs are the facts. He cant be taught anything. So he jumps from incoherent point to incoherent point and spewing hatred. He just hates everyone who doesnt think like him.
 

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Oh he also thinks Christianity is a "white" religion and that Christains think Jesus was white and Christian's are racists.

He is incurably ignorant and hateful.
 
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Via a system based on a EC that has fuck all to do with votes cast.

The EC only effects the presidency not state elections. It is states which will decide regulations on abortion.

Maybe educate yourself a bit on the topic before spewing ignorant nonsense?

He thinks the electoral college decides our state laws?

Oh good lort!


But your state laws needed SCOTUS to interfere with federal law. You don't seem to comprehend your own system of governance.

It was federal law they overturned.

Bland RoeVWade was not a law. It was a DECISION.


The astounding arrogance of ignorance.

It was a federal law, and now it is repealed to allow states to interpret that law as they see fit. You don't understand what a federal law is, and its relationship to a state unless you understand that.

Is this what has changed a human right, these paragons of virulent bible trashing irrelevence.
 

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Via a system based on a EC that has fuck all to do with votes cast.

The EC only effects the presidency not state elections. It is states which will decide regulations on abortion.

Maybe educate yourself a bit on the topic before spewing ignorant nonsense?

He thinks the electoral college decides our state laws?

Oh good lort!


But your state laws needed SCOTUS to interfere with federal law. You don't seem to comprehend your own system of governance.

It was federal law they overturned.

Bland RoeVWade was not a law. It was a DECISION.


The astounding arrogance of ignorance.

It was a federal law, and now it is repealed to allow states to interpret that law as they see fit. You don't understand what a federal law is, and its relationship to a state unless you understand that.

Is this what has changed a human right, these paragons of virulent bible trashing irrelevence.

Except it was NOT a LAW.

Do you understand the SCOTUS doesnt legislate? It was a ruling.

You have no fucking clue what the purpose of Roe was and YOU the arrogant and ignorant person here. You have no clue how this works. And you are being told by actual Americans and you are still choosing to be stupid.
 

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Tell us why Kavanagh never impeached himself?

Omfg.

See now if you understood anything about the SCOTUS.....you would understand why a SCOTUS justice cannot just "leave" any rulings alone if a case comes up that forces that ruling to be scrutinized.

Do you know what a court IS?
 
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It was a federal law that no state could overturn, so yeah, pretty much a law. Roe Vs Wade was a constitutional law upheld by SCOTUS for 50 odd years. Absolutely the law.
 
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I have to educate you on the difference between state laws that federal law overturns, and your inability to even comprehend dat?
 

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I have to educate you on the difference between state laws that federal law overturns, and your inability to even comprehend dat?

You are not educating anyone. You are completely wrong, you dont understand this yourself, and you are being arrogant in your ignorance.

Roe was not a law. The SCOTUS doesnt legislate. They are a court that makes rulings in cases. Their rulings are to ensure laws are in line with the Constitution. They do NOT legislate.

What the fuck are you finding so difficult about this? So you know what a COURT does?
 

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I have given you video evidence of him doing just that.

What you need to do is get informed enough to know what the SCOTUS is and what they do.

So evidently whatever Kavanuagh said you are confused on. Because if a case that challanges Roe goes to the SCOTUS they HAVE to rule on it. They cannot be like "nah dude....I gotta sit this one out".

They have to make rulings that are constitutional. Not rulings that a partisan politcal party WANT. Roe was not constitutional. Abortion should have always been a state issue.

And why are you pissed about the states getting to decide their own laws and regulations? You claim you like democracy and here you are shitting on democracy and wanting the federal government to push YOUR values. You should support the reality that now the people can decide on this matter.
 
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I have to educate you on the difference between state laws that federal law overturns, and your inability to even comprehend dat?

Roe was not a law. The SCOTUS doesnt legislate. They are a court that makes rulings in cases. Their rulings are to ensure laws are in line with the Constitution. They do NOT legislate.

Roe was the law. And it was brought before SCOTUS via other courts on numerous occasions, they ruled on it and it became law. What you seem to be confused by is that you need legislation in your democracy to uphold a Congress or Senate approved rule. Both were accepted by Congress and the Senate. No law was introduced to overturn the ruling.
 

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I have to educate you on the difference between state laws that federal law overturns, and your inability to even comprehend dat?

Roe was not a law. The SCOTUS doesnt legislate. They are a court that makes rulings in cases. Their rulings are to ensure laws are in line with the Constitution. They do NOT legislate.

Roe was the law. And it was brought before SCOTUS via other courts on numerous occasions, they ruled on it and it became law. What you seem to be confused by is that you need legislation in your democracy to uphold a Congress or Senate approved rule. Both were accepted by Congress and the Senate. No law was introduced to overturn the ruling.

No idiot. The SCOTUS doesn't legislate you ignorant fucking twat.

Roe was a RULING that decided abortion fell into the constitutional right ti privacy. It doesnt. It was a BAD ruling.

Holy shit. There is no court in this country that makes laws! They exist to make decisions in accordance with the Constitution and existing laws.

You are the confused one. Court rulings do not "become law". They set precedents on how the existing laws look. Roe made a decision that ruled abortion bans unconstitutional. A decision that was bad and vulnerable. Even RBG knew this.
 
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The only way to remove justices from the court is via a congressional impeachment hearing.

We dont impeach justices for doing their jobs.


I have shown you evidence of Kavanagh telling the Congressional Committee who ultimately allow his appointment, that he would never interfere with Roe vs Wade.

So why should he not be impeached?