Two things I don't understand about the Russia/Ukraine War

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We're coming up on 4 years since Russia's unprovoked excursion into Ukraine.

Millions of soldiers and countless citizens injured, maimed or killed, many formerly thriving cities have been reduced to rubble. Russia has the advantage of manpower and machinery but have lost so much of both they're scrambling to replenish their ranks and are using outdated equipment that is pulled from storage.

Both countries are suffering economically and incurring billions of dollars of damage in infrastructure and property damage.

So Trump comes up with a 28 point peace plan that Putin should be salivating at, it gives him almost everything he asked for including land he hasn't conquered yet and may never will.

Zelensky understandably rebuffs the plan which is heavily weighted in Russian's favor, but rather surprisingly, so does the Kremlin. Why would they persist given such a favorable option to end the war and all it's carnage?

Several European countries have stated that Putin poses a threat far greater than Ukraine and may attack Nato in whole or in part. Russia can't even win a war against a relatively small, weaker country, they've exhausted a huge amount of their military strength battling this one country. Why would anyone in their right mind believe they pose a threat to Nato who would clearly wipe them off the face of the planet if given sufficient provocation?
 
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I just read a new article on MSN: "3 things that JD Vance states are 3 requirements for any peace plan to work".

I almost laughed out loud at number 2. As per the most recent US Peace Plan which is basically giving Putin everything he wants, and both sides rejected it.

・Stop the killings while preserving Ukraine's sovereignty;

・Be acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine;

・Maximize the chances that the war will not resume.

I expect the only thing that will stop this war anytime soon is some sort of uprising against Putin and whoever takes over agrees to drawing new territorial lines on the current fronts.
 

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I think it was provoked by the expansion of NATO and planned further expansion of NATO.
LoLz - no, it was Trump holding the door open for Putin into eastern Europe by proposing to withdraw from NATO or otherwise weaken the alliance.
. Now, Putin is finding it difficult to find a face saving exit since Trump's vilified predecessor wasn't the Putin cock sucking pussy Trump was/is and united Europe/NATO against the aggression.
 

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LoLz - no, it was Trump holding the door open for Putin into eastern Europe by proposing to withdraw from NATO or otherwise weaken the alliance.
. Now, Putin is finding it difficult to find a face saving exit since Trump's vilified predecessor wasn't the Putin cock sucking pussy Trump was/is and united Europe/NATO against the aggression.

Trump was not POTUS when Russia invaded Ukraine.

Russia's hand was forced by NATO. They had to respond before it was too late.
 

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Trump was not POTUS when Russia invaded Ukraine.

Russia's hand was forced by NATO. They had to respond before it was too late.
LoLz at the board Trumputinist.
. Before it was too late?
You mean before the damage that Trump did was repaired?
. Maybe you don't understand how things work.
Of course Putin didn't blow in there on Trump.
He had to put a discrete distance between Trump's exit and invasion.
..but as you say, it was "too late" because Trump's successor had regalvanized NATO.

Did Russia attack Finland and/or Sweden when NATO expanded to include them?
. Oooooh, what could it mean?
NATO is committed to standing it's ground against Russian expansion. FUCKING PERIOD !

Sadly, Trump has been trying to hand Putin the keys to eastern Europe.
 

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Nice rebutal.

Meanwhile, NATO has been expanding Eastwards towards Russia for decades.

Ever hear of the Cuban Missile Crisis? If you understand that, you might understand Russia's actions.
 

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Yes, yes, Russia could clearly see the writing on the wall. Start invading and taking eastern European territory or forever lose it all to NATO protection/membership. Russia had no choice but to act! It had to!! It was the only choice and was already made for them!! (conservative cuck opinion bought and paid for by RT news)
 

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That is rich coming from someone who has been fed NATO Propaganda all his life and never questioned it.

"We are the good guys!! We are always the good guys!!!"

What a stooge.

The thing that gimps like Splither do not understand is that not everyone reacts to threats and aggression the same way he does: By spinning around and bending over.
 

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That is rich coming from someone who has been fed NATO Propaganda all his life and never questioned it.

"We are the good guys!! We are always the good guys!!!"

What a stooge.

The thing that gimps like Splither do not understand is that not everyone reacts to threats and aggression the same way he does: By spinning around and bending over.

^ Things people say when they would love a Putin prostate massage. Fuckin shameless faggotry.
 

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They started planning
Oh, well I wasn't there you see, so I have to judge by things which actually happened.
. Russia invaded a sovereign nation. Russia was not invaded.
No one has any interest in invading Russia. Russia is doing a wonderful job of decaying all on its own.
Many, however, agree that Putin has interest in reconsolidating/reconstituting the lands of the former Soviet Union, he having been traumatized by its crumbling as a young officer. All of that is as much about one man's appointment as political messiah, as is MAGA. It's about egos that are too big for the world's good. These arcane, unevolved types need to be finally retired so humanity can move on.
 
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Russia is doing a wonderful job of decaying all on its own.

Russia has been deemed The Enemy by any countries in NATO. They have been the target of economic, political, psychological, etc. warfare since WWII.

I was raised hating Russia.

If you recognize military aggression as the only form of aggression, then I understand your perspective.

But I think it is much more complicated than that.
 

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I assumed an abandoned account formerly known as @wizer and reposted this interesting article verbatim from elsewhere since @wizer doesn't want to share such interesting global news with us. Greek authorities have been notified.

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Never changed @wizer avatar to scat tho... but he's forever agitated and brought it upon himself.
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Russia has been deemed The Enemy by any countries in NATO. They have been the target of economic, political, psychological, etc. warfare since WWII.

I was raised hating Russia.

If you recognize military aggression as the only form of aggression, then I understand your perspective.

But I think it is much more complicated than that.

Goddamn Day After movie....