Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.
Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?
Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.
See what I mean, folks ?
How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?
Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.
Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?
It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?
What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?
All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.
Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?
Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.
The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.
It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.
You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.
You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.
The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.
I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.
The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.
And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.
Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?
This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.
So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.
If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.
Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?
They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?
So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.
This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.
The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.
And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.
This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.
Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.
EXACTLY.
