Kyle Rittenhouse to go free!!!

[Biggie Smiles]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

 

[Dove]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Joe Kyle did not break the law.

Can you please specifically tell us what law he broke? The entire issue is he DIDNT break the law.

 

[Joe]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

 

[Dove]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

Joe.....no it doesnt make us feel better because right now someone who didnt break the law is being charged as if they did. But he didnt.

Could just cite what law you think he broke?

Btw you are right the rioters were breaking the law. But they wont be charged. Just the kid who didnt break the law is getting charged. That the issue.

 

[Joe]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

Joe.....no it doesnt make us feel better because right now someone who didnt break the law is being charged as if they did. But he didnt.

Could just cite what law you think he broke?

Btw you are right the rioters were breaking the law. But they wont be charged. Just the kid who didnt break the law is getting charged. That the issue.

Well for one thing neither Kyle nor those protesters should have been there as they unlawfully broke curfew laws. So they're both guilty in that regard. I don't think those protesters should be let off the hook. They should face criminal charges too.

 

[Joe]

I don't think it's fair to blame Kyle entirely for this incident when the protesters were at fault too.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

the protestors were breaking the law

kyle wasn't

or you'd have a law you could cite

thanks for trying tho

 

[Joe]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

the protestors were breaking the law

kyle wasn't

or you'd have a law you could cite

thanks for trying tho

I think you're missing the point of a verdict.

It shouldnt be a biased one that entirely blames one side. But to prevent incidents like this from happening again. Unlike some of your detractors here, I don't think that an appropriate sentence for Kyle is prison but probation. And perhaps prevented from attending events like these and prohibited from owning a gun again. Tho he should be entitled to 24/7 police protection given that he has a lot of enemies now.

And the lawlessness of the protesters should be taken into account as a factor which may have forced Kyle to behave lawlessly as well.

Anyways if Kyle is to be punished the protesters should be too. All in all a bunch of bad boys.

 

[Levon]

You claimed the source was biased. I pointed out that it was just the time line and sequence of events the agreed upon expert said occurred and was entered as evidence. I therefore said it is not a biased source. Then you went on a rant off topic.

I appreciate you haven't stated your opinion on the case but the post you responded too wasn't about verdicts it was about the timing, sequence, and order of events which both sides agreed upon via the official expert. So, do you retract your claim about it being a biased source?

You're telling me that a tweet claiming "the State doesn't want you to know about Joshua Ziminski's role because it would destroy their narrative" is UNBIASED? And that the prosecutors and the defense team have AGREED IT IS FACT?

While it's possibly true that this tweetstorm actually DOES contain a timeline that both sides have agreed to stipulate to in court without the need to actually interrogate witnesses and stuff (which I rather doubt) the tweetstorm ALSO contains plenty of BIASED commentary which you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see. Thus when I say your source (the Twitter account) is biased, I think I'm standing on solid rock, and YUO are misrepresenting the source's credibility like a fucking 8 year old.

Here's som more recent twits from your source. Have a nice day.

Learn to read. I said the timeline and sequence of events. You know, the stuff you wrongly claimed was bias.

Fuck yer weak troll, Oerdin. You SAID that I claimed the SOURCE was biased. Go back and read your demand that I apologize. I never claimed the timeline itself was false, but the editorializing is another matter.

I think it's cute how you cons are queefing all over this and other threads about liberal vermin who can't read and won't have a civil discussion about anything, when all you clods can do in the presence of a rational, civil response is troll like it was 1999 again. That's why you don't see me on threads like this one very often.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

the protestors were breaking the law

kyle wasn't

or you'd have a law you could cite

thanks for trying tho

I think you're missing the point of a verdict.

It shouldnt be a biased one that entirely blames one side. But to prevent incidents like this from happening again. Unlike some of your detractors here, I don't think that an appropriate sentence for Kyle is prison but probation. And perhaps prevented from attending events like these and prohibited from owning a gun again. Tho he should be entitled to 24/7 police protection given that he has a lot of enemies now.

And the lawlessness of the protesters should be taken into account as a factor which may have forced Kyle to behave lawlessly as well.

Here's the thing tho.

I want to see more of us acting just like Kyle should these mobs of criminals, bums and assorted filth come descending upon our towns

So in my mind, Kyle should be treated to a hero's welcome while those two other shits he properly exterminated get convicted of their crimes posthumously and become ineligible for so much as a single tax payer dime being awarded to their families.

 

[Dove]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

Joe.....no it doesnt make us feel better because right now someone who didnt break the law is being charged as if they did. But he didnt.

Could just cite what law you think he broke?

Btw you are right the rioters were breaking the law. But they wont be charged. Just the kid who didnt break the law is getting charged. That the issue.

Well for one thing neither Kyle nor those protesters should have been there as they unlawfully broke curfew laws. So they're both guilty in that regard. I don't think those protesters should be let off the hook. They should face criminal charges too.

There are no curfew laws, Joe. There may have been a mandate.. . but there no curfew laws.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

You claimed the source was biased. I pointed out that it was just the time line and sequence of events the agreed upon expert said occurred and was entered as evidence. I therefore said it is not a biased source. Then you went on a rant off topic.

I appreciate you haven't stated your opinion on the case but the post you responded too wasn't about verdicts it was about the timing, sequence, and order of events which both sides agreed upon via the official expert. So, do you retract your claim about it being a biased source?

You're telling me that a tweet claiming "the State doesn't want you to know about Joshua Ziminski's role because it would destroy their narrative" is UNBIASED? And that the prosecutors and the defense team have AGREED IT IS FACT?

While it's possibly true that this tweetstorm actually DOES contain a timeline that both sides have agreed to stipulate to in court without the need to actually interrogate witnesses and stuff (which I rather doubt) the tweetstorm ALSO contains plenty of BIASED commentary which you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see. Thus when I say your source (the Twitter account) is biased, I think I'm standing on solid rock, and YUO are misrepresenting the source's credibility like a fucking 8 year old.

Here's som more recent twits from your source. Have a nice day.

Learn to read. I said the timeline and sequence of events. You know, the stuff you wrongly claimed was bias.

Fuck yer weak troll, Oerdin.

Look at you getting all miffed like an old lady who just lost her cat.

Sit down and breathe before your fucking rubber nose hits the nearest wall at warp speed you degenerate vermin filth liberal dirtbag who can't read

 

[Joe]

KYLE & his attackers should both get nailed for breaking the law Dovey.

Altho self defense & especially the lack of oversight along with the Democratic governor's ineptitude and unwillingness to intervene should be taken into consideration. More than anyone he's to blame & it isn't fair to blame it all on a 17 year old Kid because the governor was derelict in his duties.

Okay, so lets look at the matter this way for just a second.

Kyle makes a bad decision showing up to Kenosa that night armed with a long gun. His mere presence with a rifle equals conclusively that he has lost his right to self defense via the element of provocation. Does Wisconsin state law provide a provision to "regain" the privlege of self defense in the event it is lost? And if so, what are the requirements?

Interesting question. Do you believe the second sentence, or are you being hypothetical and erecting a straw man? That would make your two questions moot.

See what I mean, folks ?

How is my response "unsound" or "incredible," shitposter?

Because you're a moron incapable of addressing the matter directly you disgusting looking freak.

Hey, isn't it close to Halloween? Shouldn't you be out scaring children with your face?

It was actually an interesting question. So how did I know you didn't really mean it, shit poster?

What difference does it make if I were to believe it or not you disgusting freak?

All that matters is the clear language used in the Wisconsin state statue governing this matter. And the objectivity of intelligent persons who are capable of realizing that the law is designed to take into account a stream of events within a stream of time which can have vastly different outcomes based upon the intent or Mens Rae of the person alleging the privilege. The law is fluid this way so that one poor decision does not lock a person into a predetermined outcome. Meaning, it doesn't fucking matter if he showed up to a blm rally wearing a KKK outfit holding a rifle. If he had a sudden burst of common sense and decided to run home and was being chased the person doing the chasing just became the aggressor at that moment in time. Armed or not totally inconsequential.

Got it now, or do you need stick figures drawn out you stupid and disgusting looking freak?

Ah, so you've become the Official BF Law Professor, here to explain the "clear language" of the Wisconsin statute, notwithstanding your lack of a law license in ANY state and your not having passed the bar in Wisconsin.

The law on this is not some complicated thing and its MEANT for regular people to clearly understand so they do not BREAK it.

It's literally all on us, our responsibility to understand the laws regarding guns, gun safety, self defense because we are EXPECTED to follow it. It is literally the responsibility of people to understand the states laws. We are NOT supposed to be some ignorant, hapless subjects under the mighty state who need specialists to decipher gun laws and self defense laws. And Lord help us if we are now.

You don't need to be some schooled law expert to understand the laws we are expected to follow on this.

You can literally WATCH exactly what happened and it is OBVIOUS self defense. This should not even be a conversation.

The fact it IS should tell us we have a serious problem in the government that needs addressing. It is complete SHIT to....not just validate a violent mob that left Kenosha destroyed but call into question a citizens right to protect themselves.

I don't think I've expressed an opinion personally as to whether Rittenhouse had a right to defend himself, or whether he had murderous intent, or thought he was breaking any laws. I do have such opinions but I'm not stating them here because I'm more interested in what a due process of law decides, and how it reaches the decision. It's not my fuking JOB to watch everything and do a deep dive into trying to imagine I was there to see it go down. I'm not a juror or a court officer.

The length of this thread shows pretty clearly that if the case were tried at BF there would only be a lot of chimping around and ultimately a hung jury.

And Dove, it's not my job as a Californian to "understand" the laws in Wisconsin since I'm not a citizen of that state nor do I go there very often. The only time I have a DUTY (using the word in its legal sense) to understand Wisconsin law is if I do go to Wisconsin and get up to some sort of conduct that is potentially unlawful in that state.

Which raises the question, what if I was seventeen years old and did so?

This issue is, it's so clearly self defense and the ONLY reason there are charges is because its political.

So we have reached a VERY bad point in the country where violence is validated as "protests", citizens are left to fend for themselves and CHARGED when they defend themselves.

If Kyle is convicted? Well that's telling us that if your attacker is part of some leftwing cause, the law doesnt apply to them and YOU will be charged for protecting yourself.

Notice how people who want to see this kid imprisoned have all these insane complaints like he "shouldnt have been there"(its not illegal to be out in public and the fact he was there is moot), but they do not ever say these rioters shouldnt have been there. WHY do these rioters(many of whom crossed state lines themselves) never get criticized for being there and engaging in violent and destructive acts?

They are legit presupposing that these rioters are the only people entitled to be somewhere they dont even live burning down businesses and looting. They are entitled to show up to break laws for several nights but people in the community or connected to it cant be there to help protect it? Since WHEN?

So if your community is attacked by radicals who are engaging in destructive political violence its YOUR rights that are suspended. And if you excersize your rights EVEN to protect your own life, YOU are the one who should be charged.

This entire attitude and argument that Kyle is a "murderer" is left wing supremacy. Left wing causes and left wing acts of violence are somehow sacred and should be tolerated and put above our Constitutional rights now.

The reality is, that mob was there breaking the laws and violently attacking a community in a demonstration of political violence. THEY should not have been there. THEY crossed state lines while having guns illegally(the guy who pulled a gun on Kyle....he is a felon) for the purpose of breaking laws and terrorizing Kenosha.

And people who live in the community and are connected to it are the innocent parties who were responding to an ongoing violent threat to the community AND when those men became a violent threat to Kyle's LIFE.

This is so crystal clear and obvious I dont know how anyone can argue it. This is a situation where politics should be set ASIDE. Its SCARY. It's scary to see a message like this being sent. That mobs can come and descend on your community and you better watch your ass and make sure you dont get them focused on you because you cant defend yourself now. They can burn down your business. Trap you in your car and even pull you out and beat you. They can threaten and chase after you and disarm you and kill you and you better not put a scratch on them or you are a far right white supremacist who needs to rot in prison.

Kyle didnt break any laws. THEY did. If politics wasnt involved in this at all.....there would not have been any charges. He is being charged for political reasons. And I realize even the judge knows this, and that's why he is being pretty no bullshit regarding the requests and claims of this activist prosecution.

EXACTLY.

Kyle didnt break the law, Joe. That's the point.

What law do you imagine he broke?

Kyle broke the law.

But so did his attackers.

Still, that governor was inept.

Just curious - do you know if there's even been an inquiry why he didn't call in or request that the National Guard be sent in to prevent the situation from getting out of control like it did?

That governor had at least 3 days to do something about it

Cite the law broken

Well Bigly if it makes ya feel any better those protesters were breaking the law too.

Rosenbuam should be tried posthumously too.

He was worse than Kyle & just like a little terrorist. If his intent was to light a gas station on fire then he deserved what he got.

the protestors were breaking the law

kyle wasn't

or you'd have a law you could cite

thanks for trying tho

I think you're missing the point of a verdict.

It shouldnt be a biased one that entirely blames one side. But to prevent incidents like this from happening again. Unlike some of your detractors here, I don't think that an appropriate sentence for Kyle is prison but probation. And perhaps prevented from attending events like these and prohibited from owning a gun again. Tho he should be entitled to 24/7 police protection given that he has a lot of enemies now.

And the lawlessness of the protesters should be taken into account as a factor which may have forced Kyle to behave lawlessly as well.

Here's the thing tho.

I want to see more of us acting just like Kyle should these mobs of criminals, bums and assorted filth come descending upon our towns

So in my mind, Kyle should be treated to a hero's welcome while those two other shits he properly exterminated get convicted of their crimes posthumously and become ineligible for so much as a single tax payer dime being awarded to their families.

While i dont think Kyle is a hero, those protesters weren't choir boys either. The incident was more akin a street fight or gang violence.

I think that guy who attacked him with a skateboard had violent intent and could have done serious damage.

I think Kyle along with others were assigned to protect that gas station from being vandalized, which they appear to have successfully done. That was their job. Just the fact that Rosenbaum & the other protestors appeared to be in the process of blowing up a gas station should go against them and in Rittenhouse's favor.

Have to weigh all the evidence.

This is almost like civil law where the outcome is a split verdict

 

[Levon]

You claimed the source was biased. I pointed out that it was just the time line and sequence of events the agreed upon expert said occurred and was entered as evidence. I therefore said it is not a biased source. Then you went on a rant off topic.

I appreciate you haven't stated your opinion on the case but the post you responded too wasn't about verdicts it was about the timing, sequence, and order of events which both sides agreed upon via the official expert. So, do you retract your claim about it being a biased source?

You're telling me that a tweet claiming "the State doesn't want you to know about Joshua Ziminski's role because it would destroy their narrative" is UNBIASED? And that the prosecutors and the defense team have AGREED IT IS FACT?

While it's possibly true that this tweetstorm actually DOES contain a timeline that both sides have agreed to stipulate to in court without the need to actually interrogate witnesses and stuff (which I rather doubt) the tweetstorm ALSO contains plenty of BIASED commentary which you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see. Thus when I say your source (the Twitter account) is biased, I think I'm standing on solid rock, and YUO are misrepresenting the source's credibility like a fucking 8 year old.

Here's som more recent twits from your source. Have a nice day.

Learn to read. I said the timeline and sequence of events. You know, the stuff you wrongly claimed was bias.

Fuck yer weak troll, Oerdin.

Look at you getting all miffed like an old lady who just lost her cat.

Sit down and breathe before your fucking rubber nose hits the nearest wall at warp speed you degenerate vermin filth liberal dirtbag who can't read

Chill out, Stubby, yer just pissed because I cock blocked yer mens rea troll with one post that showed you as the gaslighter ya are.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

You claimed the source was biased. I pointed out that it was just the time line and sequence of events the agreed upon expert said occurred and was entered as evidence. I therefore said it is not a biased source. Then you went on a rant off topic.

I appreciate you haven't stated your opinion on the case but the post you responded too wasn't about verdicts it was about the timing, sequence, and order of events which both sides agreed upon via the official expert. So, do you retract your claim about it being a biased source?

You're telling me that a tweet claiming "the State doesn't want you to know about Joshua Ziminski's role because it would destroy their narrative" is UNBIASED? And that the prosecutors and the defense team have AGREED IT IS FACT?

While it's possibly true that this tweetstorm actually DOES contain a timeline that both sides have agreed to stipulate to in court without the need to actually interrogate witnesses and stuff (which I rather doubt) the tweetstorm ALSO contains plenty of BIASED commentary which you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see. Thus when I say your source (the Twitter account) is biased, I think I'm standing on solid rock, and YUO are misrepresenting the source's credibility like a fucking 8 year old.

Here's som more recent twits from your source. Have a nice day.

Learn to read. I said the timeline and sequence of events. You know, the stuff you wrongly claimed was bias.

Fuck yer weak troll, Oerdin.

Look at you getting all miffed like an old lady who just lost her cat.

Sit down and breathe before your fucking rubber nose hits the nearest wall at warp speed you degenerate vermin filth liberal dirtbag who can't read

Chill out, Stubby, yer just pissed because I cock blocked yer mens rea troll with one post that showed you as the gaslighter ya are.

You can't even cock block a house fly from shitting on the front of your brain. NIgga please. sit down already

 

[Reggie_Essent]

You claimed the source was biased. I pointed out that it was just the time line and sequence of events the agreed upon expert said occurred and was entered as evidence. I therefore said it is not a biased source. Then you went on a rant off topic.

I appreciate you haven't stated your opinion on the case but the post you responded too wasn't about verdicts it was about the timing, sequence, and order of events which both sides agreed upon via the official expert. So, do you retract your claim about it being a biased source?

You're telling me that a tweet claiming "the State doesn't want you to know about Joshua Ziminski's role because it would destroy their narrative" is UNBIASED? And that the prosecutors and the defense team have AGREED IT IS FACT?

While it's possibly true that this tweetstorm actually DOES contain a timeline that both sides have agreed to stipulate to in court without the need to actually interrogate witnesses and stuff (which I rather doubt) the tweetstorm ALSO contains plenty of BIASED commentary which you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see. Thus when I say your source (the Twitter account) is biased, I think I'm standing on solid rock, and YUO are misrepresenting the source's credibility like a fucking 8 year old.

Here's som more recent twits from your source. Have a nice day.

Learn to read. I said the timeline and sequence of events. You know, the stuff you wrongly claimed was bias.

Fuck yer weak troll, Oerdin. You SAID that I claimed the SOURCE was biased. Go back and read your demand that I apologize. I never claimed the timeline itself was false, but the editorializing is another matter.

I think it's cute how you cons are queefing all over this and other threads about liberal vermin who can't read and won't have a civil discussion about anything, when all you clods can do in the presence of a rational, civil response is troll like it was 1999 again. That's why you don't see me on threads like this one very often.

I don't think anyone has said prog vermin can't read, it's just that you can't really get accurate information from cartoons.

 

[Oerdin]

I posted this before but this is an excellent video if you want to get into the mind set of Kyle, what he was thinking about, what motivated him, how did he act that night and what was his state of mind.

It is all the exact opposite of what the left falsely claims.

 

[Oerdin]

This one busts the big myths and lies told by the ignorant left including multiple idiots here.

 

[Oerdin]

This reminds me so much about how the left acted in this thread.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

 

[Oerdin]

I had never seen this interview with Ryan Balch who was the press guy who interviewed Kyle that night and Kyle just sort of tag along. The two were not friends and did not know each other but he is a first hand witness. He states that he witnessed Rosenbaum threaten to kill Kyle after Kyle put out the dumpster fire.



The witness said in that police interview that Rosenbaum had set a church on fire about an hour before Rosenbaum and Ziminski ambushed Kyle.

Rosenbaum made the death threat to Kyle just minutes before ambushing Kyle and Ziminski began firing his illegal pistol.

 

[Oerdin]

Ryan Balch also testified that the Antifa arsonists and looters were also carrying out chemical attacks on people. Mixing chemicals and throwing them at people. That is a federal felony which shows that was not a peaceful protest but violent riots.

 

[Oerdin]

The other big witness will be Richard McGinnis who saw Rosenbaum and Ziminski ambushed and attack Kyle. He also said Ziminski fired first and all of it was caught on film. Those are starwitnesses for the defense.

 

[Oerdin]

Here he goes over Wisconsin state laws. The section from about 15:00-20:00 debunks Lotusbud's retarded claims that "he was carrying a gun so people could attack if they felt threatened" nonsense.

 

[Oerdin]

Look at all the lies this judge and supposed journalists tell. It is disgusting. It is embarrassing that Democrats made this racist fool a state Supreme Court Justice. It is good she is now gone from the court but whomever they put on it to replace her is no doubt worse.

 

[Lokmar]

Cleese is a disarmed cunt from a disarmed cunt country. America was created by Christian gun lovers for Christian gun lovers. Foreigners need to fuck off with their opinions on our guns and residents who dont love our gun culture need to fuck off over to a cuck country.

^^^Triggered cry babby!

^^^ faggit assed cum guzzler.

 

[Oerdin]

You may remember aidsman made the stupid claim that Kyle's friend letting him use one of his rifles made him a straw buyer. Hint: Under Wisconsin law it does not. Thus why even a deranged left wing lunatic like Binger didn't charge either of them with that.

 

[Oerdin]

Detailed video of Huber attacking Huber twice attacking Kyle with massive blows to the head with a deadly weapon.

 

[Lokmar]

You may remember aidsman made the stupid claim that Kyle's friend letting him use one of his rifles made him a straw buyer. Hint: Under Wisconsin law it does not. Thus why even a deranged left wing lunatic like Binger didn't charge either of them with that.

If you left aidsman in a room with a rifle, it'd wind up in his ass.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

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