2001 or 2002 for me. I'd have to ask Bulldogeatingcustard about when I met his neighbour SIn and shortly after he got screwed by R1 financially for a thing Sin was doing for free but R1 kept suggesting he'd get a kickback for anyway.... until R1 attacked him for the free work over some issue, to which Sim said (paraphrased) "I never wanted any money for it. I enjoyed it. It's a hobby. Suck a dick"...
Sin let me into backdoors he had left, after he got punted and I spent numerous months printing out reg/secret penis room convos and writing certain unique phrases/words publicly, which sowed the greatest secret bat cave/penis room meltdown ever.
Stuff like..."dammit motherfuckers, there's a leak!!!#@!$+!#!"
I loved it and I loved exposing how the flames for cash runs were always fixed.
I didn't know that, I did know there was division over Tuff with some wanting him booted because he couldn't flame and thought his coding was shit. There was also periodic rewiring's manifest in Social Strychnine. Also the regular turfing of mods who went crying to BH.
Ruthless was trying to use me as a "bait and switch", telling newbs to fight me cos I am easy then they get slaughtered. I didn't mind, its on them to access their opponents and being under estimated is my advantage. I knew Ruthless 1 was gaming a bit I was 3-0 against him in matches. BH problem was gang culture where they were bigging up total shit like Neo-monk, that kind of BS puts people of big time.
Dra1n regularly commented and PV said similar that what is the point of it if some mark gets hammered and wont acknowledge it? Another way of not recognising talent, this scares of the talent.