Kyle Rittenhouse to go free!!!

[Biggie Smiles]

Okay, enough arguing minutia with people who don't have the slightest fucking clue what they are talking about

tell me Binger doesn't remind you of this guy

I nailed it .. right? lmao

 

[Oerdin]

It's public record folks

you could have seen it on just about any public billboard if you looked carefully enough

we just didn't

Good thing smart people are here to reveal that


woooooooooooo that west coast cron is a motherfaucker

Kyle didn’t hire an attorney who knows how to conduct their own investigation?

Amateur hour.

But but but "we" are all paying for his attorneys when we donate to his legal defense fund, those are "our" lawyers too...

mistrial…

cause the prosecution did their job and found it lol

Found what? Why do I get the feeling you have nonidea what you are talking about?

 

[Dove]

Settle down folks. Smart people are discussing the clairvoyance that is automatically bestowed upon a law school graduate

But only if you become a defense attorney and are defending a kid with right leanings

listen in as reasonable points are being made


lulz

I still want Admin to explain who and how gives clairvoyant orders for people to defend themselves.

Maybe he thinks because he gets direct messages and voices in his brain from Leftard HQ we all function the same way.

I wanna know how the defense was supposed to know about evidence which the prosecution didn't even know about until it magically appeared on their doorstep?

seriously, we might be onto to something groundbreaking here which could render the Brady rule completely obsolete

so hushup

that doesn’t apply to public record evidence

that would apply to police withholding evidence that the defendant doesn’t have access to that exonerates a defendant

You mean like when Binger called the police captain and told him not to collect evidence off of Grosskreutz phone even though a judge had already granted a search warrant? That kind of exculpatory evidence? Or how about how witnesses testified under oath that Binger tried to pressure him to change his sworn testimony?

Or how Binger lied to both the defense and the court that he didn't know the identity of jump kick man yet Binger knew full well and just didn't want to call him as a witness because he was a bad witness. He lied to both the defense and the court to prevent the defense from calling that witness. Corrupt enough for you yet?

Now tack on that twice Binger tried to claim that people taking the fifth was some how proof that they were dishonest liars? Something which is absolutely not allowed u der the constitution? And even after that Binger told the jury about an event which the judge had ruled inadmissible.

The guy is dirty and corrupt.

O the sooner we come to terms with the fact that none of these people give a fuck about anything except their bias, that they think those they perceive on their side can do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences and laws ONLY apply to everyone else.....and that they have NEW made up laws WE all have to abide that they dont

And that we are already in a civil war and these people will burn our lives to the ground if any of us get in their way... the better.

Their state sponsored thugs can do anything they want. They are above the law. Its us peasents who have to conform or suffer. They pull shit out of their ass to defend their savages and attack their "opposition".

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

 

[Murdy]

It's public record folks

you could have seen it on just about any public billboard if you looked carefully enough

we just didn't

Good thing smart people are here to reveal that


woooooooooooo that west coast cron is a motherfaucker

Kyle didn’t hire an attorney who knows how to conduct their own investigation?

Amateur hour.

But but but "we" are all paying for his attorneys when we donate to his legal defense fund, those are "our" lawyers too...

mistrial…

cause the prosecution did their job and found it lol

Found what? Why do I get the feeling you have nonidea what you are talking about?

tell you what…

I’ll attach my paypal account so you can pay me to answer this sheit for you since I’ve dropped enough legal jargon for you all to figure it out yourselves.

$300 per answer

 

[Oerdin]

What I want to know is why the defense wasn’t all over this video like flies on shit. Where is the spoliation/subpoena? This kid’s life is literally hanging in the balance and they didn’t search the far corners of the earth to find it?

Something is fishy… like they didn’t want it entered because it incriminates their client further.

Absolutely! I believe that's what's happening with the video evidence. They wanted to avoid it.

how the fuck is video surveillance available to the prosecution NOT available to the defense? It’s public record ffs

Burdensome discovery response deserved an objection… and I bet they did lol

1) It was not a government drone. A private company.
2) The full video was never provided just a tiny clip.
3) There was no raw footage provided just one edited clip and no sound even though that model records sound. There are foundational issues as the person who records it didn't provide all the data and was not named by prosecutors so defense could not cross examine.
4) The defense had high res video but only gave defense a low res version with 1/16th the data and even then only gave them a copy last Saturday evening after the defense had rested. That is a massive problem. Further more the prosecution admitted they had a better resolution copy so they knew they withheld the high res video from the defense illegally.
5) The prosecutor claimed he had no idea how the defense only got a low res copy and he didn't even know how to do it yet in court he played it off his laptop and his laptop had the programs I stalled to edit and compress videos on it. So it is obvious this was intentional withholding of evidence.

The defense could have subpoenaed it themselves when they were made aware of its existence.

After the defense rests?! It literally wasn't made available until closing arguments?

 

[Dove]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

Well that's because the judge is clearly disgraceful and bias.

Duh.

That just proves systemic racisms!

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

Well that's because the judge is clearly disgraceful and bias.

Duh.

That just proves systemic racisms!

Yes, I can see it clearly now.

 

[Dove]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

Well that's because the judge is clearly disgraceful and bias.

Duh.

That just proves systemic racisms!

Yes, I can see it clearly now.

Its white supremacy.

 

[Murdy]

What I want to know is why the defense wasn’t all over this video like flies on shit. Where is the spoliation/subpoena? This kid’s life is literally hanging in the balance and they didn’t search the far corners of the earth to find it?

Something is fishy… like they didn’t want it entered because it incriminates their client further.

Absolutely! I believe that's what's happening with the video evidence. They wanted to avoid it.

how the fuck is video surveillance available to the prosecution NOT available to the defense? It’s public record ffs

Burdensome discovery response deserved an objection… and I bet they did lol

1) It was not a government drone. A private company.
2) The full video was never provided just a tiny clip.
3) There was no raw footage provided just one edited clip and no sound even though that model records sound. There are foundational issues as the person who records it didn't provide all the data and was not named by prosecutors so defense could not cross examine.
4) The defense had high res video but only gave defense a low res version with 1/16th the data and even then only gave them a copy last Saturday evening after the defense had rested. That is a massive problem. Further more the prosecution admitted they had a better resolution copy so they knew they withheld the high res video from the defense illegally.
5) The prosecutor claimed he had no idea how the defense only got a low res copy and he didn't even know how to do it yet in court he played it off his laptop and his laptop had the programs I stalled to edit and compress videos on it. So it is obvious this was intentional withholding of evidence.

The defense could have subpoenaed it themselves when they were made aware of its existence.

After the defense rests?! It literally wasn't made available until closing arguments?

You still don’t want to see the flaw here with this theory.

It’s ok… I have 20+ years of investigating cases and obtaining evidence from the SOURCE not relying on production from the otherside to know better.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

Well that's because the judge is clearly disgraceful and bias.

Duh.

That just proves systemic racisms!

Yes, I can see it clearly now.

Its white supremacy.

Yes. Systemic Racism and white supremacy ... without question. it's all there

 

[Dove]

I just wanted to throw this out there

No conservative news outlets have been barred from the Kenosha courtroom for making attempts at intimidating the jury

a coincidence ,I'm sure, but I figured I'd leave this here anyway

Well that's because the judge is clearly disgraceful and bias.

Duh.

That just proves systemic racisms!

Yes, I can see it clearly now.

Its white supremacy.

Yes. Systemic Racism and white supremacy ... without question. it's all there

It's because of the capitalism you know. We need equity and that means we must all be equally poor and oppressed.

Liberty and free market just breed racisms!

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Dove]

Meanwhile in hell

 

[Dove]

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Dove]

They do this with everything. They are the definition of seditious.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

the most laughable matter concerning video is the fact that this provocation theory doesn't mean jack shit and I don't even know why the judge allowed it in as part of the jury instructions.

Must be a white supremacy thing

Taken from the statue

A defendant may demonstrate that he or she was acting lawfully, a necessary element of an accident defense, by showing that he or she was acting in lawful self-defense. Although intentionally pointing a firearm at another constitutes a violation of s. 941.20, under s. 939.48 (1) a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference. State v. Watkins,

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Plus, even if Kyle had theoretically lost the privilege to self defense at the moment he allegedly pointed his gun at people who were obviously out to harm him he ultimately regained it when he took to running in a direction away from his attackers

2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.

Kid doesn't have legal counsel that is as effective as they should be. End of.

 

[Murdy]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Murdy]

Let’s hope #5 doesn’t stick

 

[Biggie Smiles]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

 

[Dove]

the most laughable matter concerning video is the fact that this provocation theory doesn't mean jack shit and I don't even know why the judge allowed it in as part of the jury instructions.

Must be a white supremacy thing

Taken from the statue

A defendant may demonstrate that he or she was acting lawfully, a necessary element of an accident defense, by showing that he or she was acting in lawful self-defense. Although intentionally pointing a firearm at another constitutes a violation of s. 941.20, under s. 939.48 (1) a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference. State v. Watkins,

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Plus, even if Kyle had theoretically lost the privilege to self defense at the moment he allegedly pointed his gun at people who were obviously out to harm him he ultimately regained it when he took to running in a direction away from his attackers

2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.

Kid doesn't have legal counsel that is as effective as they should be. End of.

Right.

It literally doesnt MATTER if he "provoked" them or not.

He absolutely didnt. But if he did? Once he started fleeing he made himself not a threat and once they start chasing now THEY are the aggressors.

Big these are people who said that Secoriea Turner being murdered was her mothers fault because they drove down the street the rioters were on.

They think that just simply being present around these terrorist mobs entitles them to assault or murder.

The person they brutalize is not the victim. The leftwing RIOTER is... because you shouldnt have been there.

These are heartless hateful people with no regard for human life or our rights.

 

[Murdy]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

We agree on nothing. Period.

 

[Dove]

Well they are scheming unethical liars who hate the fact regular people have rights.

 

[Biggie Smiles]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

We agree on nothing. Period.

Fine by me

But you just admitted to liberals be lying sacks of scum. Period.

 

[Murdy]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

We agree on nothing. Period.

Fine by me

But you just admitted to liberals be lying sacks of scum. Period.

nah…

these Hail Mary antics are pretty common at trial

 

[Oerdin]

Covers the issue of with holding evidence.

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[Biggie Smiles]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

We agree on nothing. Period.

Fine by me

But you just admitted to liberals be lying sacks of scum. Period.

nah…

these Hail Mary antics are pretty common at trial

Pretty common for Prosecutors to violate the brady rule?

hmmmm...

ok

 

[Murdy]

The defense needs a refresher in due diligence….

Liberals are lying maleficent pieces of shit who cannot be trusted to honor a decades old legal principle

this much we can agree on.

If there were any hint of where additional evidence could be found the defense should have followed it like a dog with a bone. No arguments there

We agree on nothing. Period.

Fine by me

But you just admitted to liberals be lying sacks of scum. Period.

nah…

these Hail Mary antics are pretty common at trial

Pretty common for Prosecutors to violate the brady rule?

hmmmm...

ok

let’s say this in egghead so maybe you get it through that thick skull….

“Prosecutors say a detective tried to AirDrop full-res video, but couldn’t because defense attorneys use Android”

HAIL. MARY.