Kyle Rittenhouse to go free!!!

[Lokmar]

Were the fuck did you get your lessons on world history, idiot?

Here dolt, a History Lesson for you:




Yes, there was a Russian Civil War following World War I in which the allied powers tried to overthrow a Communist (Bolshevik) government but failed.

Britain, France, he USA, many European powers and even Canada had soliders in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks approximately 100 years ago or during your Great Grandfather's time:

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they came close, had the Bolsheviks surrounded, but failed.

Hence the map of this struggle/war:

Point being, the allies actually did try to stop the emergence of communism in Russia.

Like Germany 20 years later, the allied invasion failed.

Given this reality, do you really think the allies could have overrun the Russians after World War II?

Especially when they were several times more powerful, united and their army was much larger, perhaps the strongest in the World after World War II?

My familiarity with the Bolshevik Revolution ends with the assassination of the Tsar and his family.

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While I agree that it qualifies as an intervention, its extremely half assed and mostly a reaction to Germany.

Churchill sums it up as follows:

Winston Churchill, who had been the most prominent supporter of a campaign to remove the Bolsheviks from power, long lamented the Allies' failure to crush the Soviet state in its infancy. This was especially the case during the breakdown of western-Soviet relations in the aftermath of

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and the start of the

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. In 1949, Churchill stated to the British parliament:

“I think the day will come when it will be recognized without doubt, not only on one side of the House, but throughout the civilized world, that the strangling of Bolshevism at its birth would have been an untold blessing to the human race.”

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In a further speech at the

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in June 1954, Churchill lamented:

“If I had been properly supported in 1919, I think we might have strangled Bolshevism in its cradle, but everybody turned up their hands and said, ‘How shocking!’”

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It seems this was about as effective as the Bay of Pigs.

 

[Oerdin]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

 

[Oerdin]

 

[Lokmar]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

As I said last night, I had no knowledge this half assed bullshit even happened but I did learn 2 things:
1. Winston Churchill was an even better visionary than I previously thought
2. No western country made a serious attempt to destabilize the commies

 

[Oerdin]

It is nice to see lying racist left wing bigots put on the defensive. I hope he wins because they clearly are guilty.

 

[Lokmar]

Now that Rittenhouse is not guilty, can Norfolk Police Officer Kelly have his job back?

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[X]

The Great state of Florida welcomes Kyle Rittenhouse home.

how fitting

 

[SHAMPAIN]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

 

[Joe]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

But the fact remains, armies of the Great Western powers were in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks.

And they were a threat

They were trying to overthrow governments in Germany Austria & Hungary after World War I.

So Putin attempts to destabilize the US are nothing new.

 

[Lokmar]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

But the fact remains, armies of the Great Western powers were in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks.

And they were a threat

They were trying to overthrow governments in Germany Austria & Hungary after World War I.

So Putin attempts to destabilize the US are nothing new.

Nothing in the Wiki I read makes it sound like there was a real effort to overthrow the commies.

 

[Lokmar]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

 

[SHAMPAIN]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

I honestly want you dead... The absolute turncoat shit is worthy of public flogging! I'd take ten niggers before you! You'll fuckin eat your words some day soon, remember I said it!

 

[Joe]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

Unlike prior foreign invasions Hitler almost won.

But he made some key strategic blunders by trying to grab 'the prize' too soon

He failed to listen to his generals.

Russians from there told me the German's almost won.

The reason for their downfall was Hitler himself.

 

[SHAMPAIN]

He talks about todays world

 

[SHAMPAIN]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

Unlike prior foreign invasions Hitler almost won.

But he made some key strategic blunders by trying to grab 'the prize' too soon

He failed to listen to his generals.

Russians from there told me the German's almost won.

The reason for their downfall was Hitler himself.

The greatest war machine in the history of human beings, his only failure was being too nice to traitors...

 

[Joe]

in some respects Hitler did 'win'.

While I certainly DON'T agree with his methods nor endorse him, one of his lasting legacies was the creation of the welfare state.

a major reason so many gravitated towards fascism/National Socialism is that it provided a social safety net which the Western 'liberal' democracies failed to provide for their own citizens. Plus a guaranteed job.

People were going hungry in Western countries and were without jobs during the Great Depression. But Germany was on the rise and was doing well.

so is it any wonder the Western democracies saw Hitler such a threat?

so even tho Germany lost the war, after it the Western nations did their best to emulate his Social welfare policies such as Unemployment insurance, better pensions, social benefits, etc.

In spit of all his flaws and evil, I think that was Hitler's success or legacy....

....The Welfare State,.

which Britain adopted after World War II.

ie - the UK set up a universal healthcare system in 1947 and enhanced social benefits.
I think Hitler had been providing that for Germans during the the 3rd Reich.

Tho extreme, he may have forced the Western democracies to buck up and provide a better deal for their citizens after the war because they didn't want their citizens or the rest of the world to gravitate towards fascism/National Socialism.

 

[Oerdin]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

But the fact remains, armies of the Great Western powers were in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks.

And they were a threat

They were trying to overthrow governments in Germany Austria & Hungary after World War I.

So Putin attempts to destabilize the US are nothing new.

I just specifically said the exact opposite and named the specific missions authorized by congress. Both were very specific and very limited in scope and neither had anything to do with overthrowing communism.

 

[Joe]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

But the fact remains, armies of the Great Western powers were in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks.

And they were a threat

They were trying to overthrow governments in Germany Austria & Hungary after World War I.

So Putin attempts to destabilize the US are nothing new.

I just specifically said the exact opposite and named the specific missions authorized by congress. Both were very specific and very limited in scope and neither had anything to do with overthrowing communism.

but when you don't realize Oerdin is that after Word War I, Europe was a very unstable place. Empires broke up, people of course were disgruntled losing everything and communism emerged in Russia in the form of Bolshevism.

ie Hungary:

the Bolsheviks were opportunists who seized upon this moment in history to spread their revolution. That's actually what they were trying to do - spread the Worker's Revolution beyond Russia's borders.




That's why many Eastern European nations in teh 1920s and 30s were so virulently anti communist and some willingly joined Nazi Germany's war effort against Russia during World War II.

and the US like many other nations were very afraid of this new breed of communism spreading into their countries.

Heck, Canada sent troops to fight 'the Reds' during this Russian Civil War II.

We were involved there too.

 

[Dove]

at Rittenhouse is not guilty, can Norfolk Police Officer Kelly have his job back?

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He should get a lawsuit for wrongful termination because that's disgusting and shouldnt be tolerated. You dont fire people over politcs.

I've so had it with these people. They are horrible.

 

[Lokmar]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

I honestly want you dead... The absolute turncoat shit is worthy of public flogging! I'd take ten niggers before you! You'll fuckin eat your words some day soon, remember I said it!

STFU you joo jab loving hilter worshiping fucktard! hitler was a moronic fukin booger eater!

 

[Lokmar]

The real madness I'll never forget and never surrender

The madness was attacking Russia. The madness was allowing the japs to drag the US into the war. Stupid bastard had the fuking war against europe won.

Unlike prior foreign invasions Hitler almost won.

But he made some key strategic blunders by trying to grab 'the prize' too soon

He failed to listen to his generals.

Russians from there told me the German's almost won.

The reason for their downfall was Hitler himself.

The greatest war machine in the history of human beings, his only failure was being too nice to traitors...

Other than being a stupid bastard....I guess so.

 

[Joe]

Joe, you have very limited knowledge of the Russian Civil War or the multicountry interventionist. The US's involvement was specifically limited to two things only. 1) Recovering war material bought on credit by the Tsarist government and never paid for by the Reds. 2) Delivery of humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

You really shouldn't talk about topics which you have no real knowledge about. If you would like to actually learn something about events I recommend reading the autobiography and war time memoir of Pyotr Wrangle who was a General first in the Tsar's army then in the Russian White Army (anti-communists). The book is called "Always with Honor" and you'd learn a lot from it.

But the fact remains, armies of the Great Western powers were in there trying to overthrow the Bolsheviks.

And they were a threat

They were trying to overthrow governments in Germany Austria & Hungary after World War I.

So Putin attempts to destabilize the US are nothing new.

I just specifically said the exact opposite and named the specific missions authorized by congress. Both were very specific and very limited in scope and neither had anything to do with overthrowing communism.

And yet I've seen other indicators that the USA in 1920 really didn't like communism.
and probably for good reason as it was militant and invasive.
They actually were trying to export revolution.
So it posed a threat to the establishment and communist leaders were jailed and hounded by the predecessor of the FBI.

Even tho it appears that the US military had a small incursion into Russia at the time, Great Britain's was much larger.

Interestingly, the USA was one of the few nations NOT to declare war on the Ottoman Empire. But it's clear that Britain and France wanted to carve it up to get the oil.

so the USA was not as malevolant as the other 2 powers which had overt imperial intentions.

I still say World War I was largely Britain's fault along with the resulting turmoil and probably World War II was a bit of their fault too.

I think Oxford Historian Niall Ferguson more or less said the same thing.

 

[DDT]

A fucking Serb started WWI. No joke. Guy murdered Franz Ferdinand.

And WWII was started because of what happened in WWI.

So basically, a fucking Serb kicked all this shit off!

 

[Joe]

A fucking Serb started WWI. No joke. Guy murdered Franz Ferdinand.

And WWII was started because of what happened in WWI.

So basically, a fucking Serb kicked all this shit off!

No I don't think so. I don't think that Serb was really the cause of WWI

I'm starting to wonder if it was a setup like 911.

An Inside job?

Britain wanted war with Germany at the time.
And Germany didn't really want war with Britain.
But Britain wouldn't let them back down and that's how it became World War I.

Historical Fact - Germany never declared war on Britain in world War I.

And just like World War II, the British never let Germany back down.

Germany sent Rudolf Hess to negotiate some peace treaty but he was jailed in Spandau prison.

 

[Joe]

A Retired Wisconsin Judge who knows Judge Bruce Schroeder analyzes his Perfromance:




...although she thought he was correct about the weapons charge and his interpretation of it, she doesn't seem to agree that Kyle Rittenhouse was completely innocent.


So, if Kyle had faced her instead of Schroeder, likely would have found him guilty of at least a couple charges.

....so it all depends which judge a defendant faces.

Judges clearly inject their biases into trial as Schroeder had done, in the the case of this former change, She would have done too.

 

[Omnipotent]

A fucking Serb started WWI. No joke. Guy murdered Franz Ferdinand.

And WWII was started because of what happened in WWI.

So basically, a fucking Serb kicked all this shit off!

All the wars started in the Balkans according to my history lessons.

 

[DDT]

Joe, a weapons charge would have made no difference. It would've been a Misdemeanor at best, so of no real consequence.

Just get over it, and appreciate that we still have the right to defend ourselves from grievous bodily harm or death.

 

[Omnipotent]

Judges clearly inject their biases into trial as Schroeder had done, in the the case of this former change, She would have done too.

Then you should ask the miserable judges why the dead evildoer that raped 5 children wasn't given life in jail instead of being shot dead at a riot....

 

[Joe]

All the wars started in the Balkans according to my history lessons.

I don't think so.

I think that was a ruse to make war on Germany and the Central Powers.

I wouldn't even doubt that Serb who assasinated the Austrian Monarch was a British plant.

The Big Powers of the day wanted that war. I think the British started World War I rather than the Axis Powers or Germany.

And it just so happened the Allies broke up their enemies empires but were allowed to keep theirs.

Geez, no wonder why we had a World War II.

 

[Omnipotent]

The wars started because MEN LOVE WARRING...they wouldn't do it, if they didn't love it. Period.