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PS, FYI, I think white separatist theories should be taught in schools as well, and I'm sure they are in some courses. I would be perfectly willing to read them myself, and give a critical analysis of the details. See, that's how education works.
How about the Bible?

The Bible is included in all sorts of courses. The only restriction against it is that it cannot be taught in order to advance religious beliefs. It can be taught as literature and history and part of religious STUDIES, which is not the same thing as proselytizing. See, this is where the ability to understand nuance comes in handy. It's exactly the same for CRT. I am so tired of con hysteria. It's so childish.
 

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PS, FYI, I think white separatist theories should be taught in schools as well, and I'm sure they are in some courses. I would be perfectly willing to read them myself, and give a critical analysis of the details. See, that's how education works.
How about the Bible?

The Bible is included in all sorts of courses. The only restriction against it is that it cannot be taught in order to advance religious beliefs. It can be taught as literature and history and part of religious STUDIES, which is not the same thing as proselytizing. See, this is where the ability to understand nuance comes in handy. It's exactly the same for CRT. I am so tired of con hysteria. It's so childish.
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PS, FYI, I think white separatist theories should be taught in schools as well, and I'm sure they are in some courses. I would be perfectly willing to read them myself, and give a critical analysis of the details. See, that's how education works.
How about the Bible?

The Bible is included in all sorts of courses. The only restriction against it is that it cannot be taught in order to advance religious beliefs. It can be taught as literature and history and part of religious STUDIES, which is not the same thing as proselytizing. See, this is where the ability to understand nuance comes in handy. It's exactly the same for CRT. I am so tired of con hysteria. It's so childish.
It absolutely isnt taught in K through 12. It should be. The founders said so multiple times.
 

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PS, FYI, I think white separatist theories should be taught in schools as well, and I'm sure they are in some courses. I would be perfectly willing to read them myself, and give a critical analysis of the details. See, that's how education works.
How about the Bible?

The Bible is included in all sorts of courses. The only restriction against it is that it cannot be taught in order to advance religious beliefs. It can be taught as literature and history and part of religious STUDIES, which is not the same thing as proselytizing. See, this is where the ability to understand nuance comes in handy. It's exactly the same for CRT. I am so tired of con hysteria. It's so childish.
Why don’t you fall down a flight of stairs and die painfully then?
 
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And this is how learning to think works (I know most of you won't read it, but it's here for anyone with a desire to be smarter):

Leonard Pitts Jr.
Fri, June 25, 2021, 2:01 PM

I owe a lot to Gary Mahoney.

He was the campus conservative back in the middle ’70s, when I was a student at the University of Southern California and we went at it hammer and tongs a few times on the opinion pages of the Daily Trojan. I no longer recall the details of our disagreements. What I do remember is realizing that he was good and that I had to up my game — tighten my reasoning, sharpen my logic — if I hoped to stay in the ring with him.

He made me better in the same way college itself did. Nearly five decades later, I value those years less for any specific thing I learned in class than for the fact that I learned how to think. Not “what” to think, but how, i.e., how to gather and evaluate information, how to analyze and extrapolate from it, how to defend my ideas in the scrum of intellectual conflict.

That’s a lesson students will be denied if Republicans like Ron DeSantis get their way. Last week, Florida’s governor signed a bill requiring the state’s public colleges and universities to survey students and faculty on their ideological beliefs. The aim, he claims, is to prevent schools from “indoctrinating” students. DeSantis has hinted that those failing to show “intellectual diversity” will face budget cuts.

You may gauge the sincerity of his commitment to that diversity by the fact that this comes two weeks after he pushed to ban the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework originated by legal scholars over 40 years ago. Like other states where similar restrictions are becoming law, Florida seeks not to further intellectual diversity, but to prevent it.

Meaning, it aims to protect kids raised on mom and dad’s steady diet of Fox “News” and Breitbart from the shock of having any ideas they’ve thereby imbibed challenged in the outside world. Which is hypocritical on its face. After all, conservatives once — not unreasonably — chided liberals for trying to bubble-wrap students with trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now they use force of law to do the very same thing.

It should go without saying that it’s none of the state’s business what you or I think. It should be likewise obvious that this law will stifle debate and muzzle instructors and is thus antithetical to the mission of our colleges and universities.

There is no mystery why conservatives find education dangerous. A 2015 Pew Research Center study quantified that the better educated one is, the more likely one is to hold liberal beliefs. But I’d argue, contrary to what conservatives seem to feel, that’s not because of bullying professors shouting left-wing dogma. Rather, it’s because once you learn how to think, you’re less susceptible to thin reasoning and easy answers. And increasingly, that’s all conservatism’s got.

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And this is how learning to think works (I know most of you won't read it, but it's here for anyone with a desire to be smarter):

Leonard Pitts Jr.
Fri, June 25, 2021, 2:01 PM

I owe a lot to Gary Mahoney.

He was the campus conservative back in the middle ’70s, when I was a student at the University of Southern California and we went at it hammer and tongs a few times on the opinion pages of the Daily Trojan. I no longer recall the details of our disagreements. What I do remember is realizing that he was good and that I had to up my game — tighten my reasoning, sharpen my logic — if I hoped to stay in the ring with him.

He made me better in the same way college itself did. Nearly five decades later, I value those years less for any specific thing I learned in class than for the fact that I learned how to think. Not “what” to think, but how, i.e., how to gather and evaluate information, how to analyze and extrapolate from it, how to defend my ideas in the scrum of intellectual conflict.

That’s a lesson students will be denied if Republicans like Ron DeSantis get their way. Last week, Florida’s governor signed a bill requiring the state’s public colleges and universities to survey students and faculty on their ideological beliefs. The aim, he claims, is to prevent schools from “indoctrinating” students. DeSantis has hinted that those failing to show “intellectual diversity” will face budget cuts.

You may gauge the sincerity of his commitment to that diversity by the fact that this comes two weeks after he pushed to ban the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework originated by legal scholars over 40 years ago. Like other states where similar restrictions are becoming law, Florida seeks not to further intellectual diversity, but to prevent it.

Meaning, it aims to protect kids raised on mom and dad’s steady diet of Fox “News” and Breitbart from the shock of having any ideas they’ve thereby imbibed challenged in the outside world. Which is hypocritical on its face. After all, conservatives once — not unreasonably — chided liberals for trying to bubble-wrap students with trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now they use force of law to do the very same thing.

It should go without saying that it’s none of the state’s business what you or I think. It should be likewise obvious that this law will stifle debate and muzzle instructors and is thus antithetical to the mission of our colleges and universities.

There is no mystery why conservatives find education dangerous. A 2015 Pew Research Center study quantified that the better educated one is, the more likely one is to hold liberal beliefs. But I’d argue, contrary to what conservatives seem to feel, that’s not because of bullying professors shouting left-wing dogma. Rather, it’s because once you learn how to think, you’re less susceptible to thin reasoning and easy answers. And increasingly, that’s all conservatism’s got.

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Completely circular reasoning. Even 20 years ago it wasn't safe to be a conservative on campus. I am sure it is worse now. You learned quickly what you could and could not say.
 

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Ok, to summarise, Lotus and co don't deny that CRT teaches how whites are oppressors and inherently privileged due to their skin tone, but according to them, preaching this ideology to kids should be allowed so that they're familiar with the leftist portrayal of history and it in no way means that they have to adhere to that way of thinking and subsequently become Cultural Marxists.

LOL! I wonder if they would have the same permissive attitude towards literal 1930's German propaganda about Jews being taught in the classroom as gospel truth, without any of it being ridiculed or challenged?
 
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And this is how learning to think works (I know most of you won't read it, but it's here for anyone with a desire to be smarter):

Leonard Pitts Jr.
Fri, June 25, 2021, 2:01 PM

I owe a lot to Gary Mahoney.

He was the campus conservative back in the middle ’70s, when I was a student at the University of Southern California and we went at it hammer and tongs a few times on the opinion pages of the Daily Trojan. I no longer recall the details of our disagreements. What I do remember is realizing that he was good and that I had to up my game — tighten my reasoning, sharpen my logic — if I hoped to stay in the ring with him.

He made me better in the same way college itself did. Nearly five decades later, I value those years less for any specific thing I learned in class than for the fact that I learned how to think. Not “what” to think, but how, i.e., how to gather and evaluate information, how to analyze and extrapolate from it, how to defend my ideas in the scrum of intellectual conflict.

That’s a lesson students will be denied if Republicans like Ron DeSantis get their way. Last week, Florida’s governor signed a bill requiring the state’s public colleges and universities to survey students and faculty on their ideological beliefs. The aim, he claims, is to prevent schools from “indoctrinating” students. DeSantis has hinted that those failing to show “intellectual diversity” will face budget cuts.

You may gauge the sincerity of his commitment to that diversity by the fact that this comes two weeks after he pushed to ban the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework originated by legal scholars over 40 years ago. Like other states where similar restrictions are becoming law, Florida seeks not to further intellectual diversity, but to prevent it.

Meaning, it aims to protect kids raised on mom and dad’s steady diet of Fox “News” and Breitbart from the shock of having any ideas they’ve thereby imbibed challenged in the outside world. Which is hypocritical on its face. After all, conservatives once — not unreasonably — chided liberals for trying to bubble-wrap students with trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now they use force of law to do the very same thing.

It should go without saying that it’s none of the state’s business what you or I think. It should be likewise obvious that this law will stifle debate and muzzle instructors and is thus antithetical to the mission of our colleges and universities.

There is no mystery why conservatives find education dangerous. A 2015 Pew Research Center study quantified that the better educated one is, the more likely one is to hold liberal beliefs. But I’d argue, contrary to what conservatives seem to feel, that’s not because of bullying professors shouting left-wing dogma. Rather, it’s because once you learn how to think, you’re less susceptible to thin reasoning and easy answers. And increasingly, that’s all conservatism’s got.

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Completely circular reasoning. Even 20 years ago it wasn't safe to be a conservative on campus. I am sure it is worse now. You learned quickly what you could and could not say.

How is that circular reasoning?

How has it ever been unsafe to be a conservative on campus? Conservatives have probably been in the minority on many (definitely not all) campuses, but my experience as both student and professor is that they have always been the loudest and pushiest and have demanded the most (like demanding good grades without earning them, insisting they are better than others, etc).
 

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And this is how learning to think works (I know most of you won't read it, but it's here for anyone with a desire to be smarter):

Leonard Pitts Jr.
Fri, June 25, 2021, 2:01 PM

I owe a lot to Gary Mahoney.

He was the campus conservative back in the middle ’70s, when I was a student at the University of Southern California and we went at it hammer and tongs a few times on the opinion pages of the Daily Trojan. I no longer recall the details of our disagreements. What I do remember is realizing that he was good and that I had to up my game — tighten my reasoning, sharpen my logic — if I hoped to stay in the ring with him.

He made me better in the same way college itself did. Nearly five decades later, I value those years less for any specific thing I learned in class than for the fact that I learned how to think. Not “what” to think, but how, i.e., how to gather and evaluate information, how to analyze and extrapolate from it, how to defend my ideas in the scrum of intellectual conflict.

That’s a lesson students will be denied if Republicans like Ron DeSantis get their way. Last week, Florida’s governor signed a bill requiring the state’s public colleges and universities to survey students and faculty on their ideological beliefs. The aim, he claims, is to prevent schools from “indoctrinating” students. DeSantis has hinted that those failing to show “intellectual diversity” will face budget cuts.

You may gauge the sincerity of his commitment to that diversity by the fact that this comes two weeks after he pushed to ban the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework originated by legal scholars over 40 years ago. Like other states where similar restrictions are becoming law, Florida seeks not to further intellectual diversity, but to prevent it.

Meaning, it aims to protect kids raised on mom and dad’s steady diet of Fox “News” and Breitbart from the shock of having any ideas they’ve thereby imbibed challenged in the outside world. Which is hypocritical on its face. After all, conservatives once — not unreasonably — chided liberals for trying to bubble-wrap students with trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now they use force of law to do the very same thing.

It should go without saying that it’s none of the state’s business what you or I think. It should be likewise obvious that this law will stifle debate and muzzle instructors and is thus antithetical to the mission of our colleges and universities.

There is no mystery why conservatives find education dangerous. A 2015 Pew Research Center study quantified that the better educated one is, the more likely one is to hold liberal beliefs. But I’d argue, contrary to what conservatives seem to feel, that’s not because of bullying professors shouting left-wing dogma. Rather, it’s because once you learn how to think, you’re less susceptible to thin reasoning and easy answers. And increasingly, that’s all conservatism’s got.

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Completely circular reasoning. Even 20 years ago it wasn't safe to be a conservative on campus. I am sure it is worse now. You learned quickly what you could and could not say.

How is that circular reasoning?

How has it ever been unsafe to be a conservative on campus? Conservatives have probably been in the minority on many (definitely not all) campuses, but my experience as both student and professor is that they have always been the loudest and pushiest and have demanded the most (like demanding good grades without earning them, insisting they are better than others, etc).
Because the academy's purpose is to produce liberals, so of course educated people tend liberal.
 

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And ny undergrad university is by far the most liberal and the least free place I have ever been. There were so many things you just couldn't talk about. Meanwhile the unconditional acceptance of homosexuals and abortion was truly shocking.

And it has nothing to do with education either, because my grandfather finished university knowing Greek and Latin and judging by the crudely written slogans displayed in the modern university many students there hardly know even English.
 
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And this is how learning to think works (I know most of you won't read it, but it's here for anyone with a desire to be smarter):

Leonard Pitts Jr.
Fri, June 25, 2021, 2:01 PM

I owe a lot to Gary Mahoney.

He was the campus conservative back in the middle ’70s, when I was a student at the University of Southern California and we went at it hammer and tongs a few times on the opinion pages of the Daily Trojan. I no longer recall the details of our disagreements. What I do remember is realizing that he was good and that I had to up my game — tighten my reasoning, sharpen my logic — if I hoped to stay in the ring with him.

He made me better in the same way college itself did. Nearly five decades later, I value those years less for any specific thing I learned in class than for the fact that I learned how to think. Not “what” to think, but how, i.e., how to gather and evaluate information, how to analyze and extrapolate from it, how to defend my ideas in the scrum of intellectual conflict.

That’s a lesson students will be denied if Republicans like Ron DeSantis get their way. Last week, Florida’s governor signed a bill requiring the state’s public colleges and universities to survey students and faculty on their ideological beliefs. The aim, he claims, is to prevent schools from “indoctrinating” students. DeSantis has hinted that those failing to show “intellectual diversity” will face budget cuts.

You may gauge the sincerity of his commitment to that diversity by the fact that this comes two weeks after he pushed to ban the teaching of critical race theory — an academic framework originated by legal scholars over 40 years ago. Like other states where similar restrictions are becoming law, Florida seeks not to further intellectual diversity, but to prevent it.

Meaning, it aims to protect kids raised on mom and dad’s steady diet of Fox “News” and Breitbart from the shock of having any ideas they’ve thereby imbibed challenged in the outside world. Which is hypocritical on its face. After all, conservatives once — not unreasonably — chided liberals for trying to bubble-wrap students with trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now they use force of law to do the very same thing.

It should go without saying that it’s none of the state’s business what you or I think. It should be likewise obvious that this law will stifle debate and muzzle instructors and is thus antithetical to the mission of our colleges and universities.

There is no mystery why conservatives find education dangerous. A 2015 Pew Research Center study quantified that the better educated one is, the more likely one is to hold liberal beliefs. But I’d argue, contrary to what conservatives seem to feel, that’s not because of bullying professors shouting left-wing dogma. Rather, it’s because once you learn how to think, you’re less susceptible to thin reasoning and easy answers. And increasingly, that’s all conservatism’s got.

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Completely circular reasoning. Even 20 years ago it wasn't safe to be a conservative on campus. I am sure it is worse now. You learned quickly what you could and could not say.

How is that circular reasoning?

How has it ever been unsafe to be a conservative on campus? Conservatives have probably been in the minority on many (definitely not all) campuses, but my experience as both student and professor is that they have always been the loudest and pushiest and have demanded the most (like demanding good grades without earning them, insisting they are better than others, etc).
Because the academy's purpose is to produce liberals, so of course educated people tend liberal.

But that simply isn't true. The academy's purpose for the last four decades at least has been to profit from education, to turn it into a profitable business, even though public unversities are not supposed to be businesses. They are investing in research departments that are hugely profitable, they have rich donors, they get state and federal money, and they profit from things like sports teams. Business schools, law schools, medical schools, science departments that are doing pharma, oil, geological and other kinds of profit-producing research. Tech departments. Use you brain, Deport. NONE of that has anything to do with producing liberals.

I have actually been in these departmental meetings. Trust me, no one at all is talking about how to turn out liberals. They are talking about how to keep students in school. Enrollment and retention are the number 1 and 2 topics of conversation. No one gives a shit about politics.

UCLA was all about their very rich business school, their very rich medical school, their very rich football team, and their very rich donors. They have an entire building filled with administrators and staff dedicated to securing funding from alumni. The administrators of these universties are business people/profit mongers, just like any CEO. You are so consumed by your hatred of liberalism, you are kidding yourself.
 
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I also don't think business schools or sports teams should be on campus either. And I don't hate liberals. I hate any restriction on what can be discussed. It would be better for universities to be smaller, poorer, more selective and focused only on scholarship.
 
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I also don't think business schools or sports teams should be on campus either. And I don't hate liberals. I hate any restriction on what can be discussed. It would be better for universities to be smaller, poorer, more selective and focused only on scholarship.

I agree with that.

Most high ranking schools now are dedicated to turning out capitalists. And there are very intense restrictions against teaching Marxism, in spite of all the belly aching from the right. Almost no professor teaches it, especially since 70% of professors are contingent now. They are all afraid of losing their jobs.
 

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Lotus who by her own admission, is a "far left liberal", arguing that western academia hasn't been completely consumed with leftist propaganda....

Something tells me that she isn't exactly the most reliable or impartial source on the matter.

No doubt the irony of her liberal indoctrination likely coming from her education and the fact that she's attempting to downplay the effect which teaching Cultural Marxism in the classroom has is completely lost on her.
 
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Ok, to summarise, Lotus and co don't deny that CRT teaches how whites are oppressors and inherently privileged due to their skin tone, but according to them, preaching this ideology to kids should be allowed so that they're familiar with the leftist portrayal of history and it in no way means that they have to adhere to that way of thinking and subsequently become Cultural Marxists.

LOL! I wonder if they would have the same permissive attitude towards literal 1930's German propaganda about Jews being taught in the classroom as gospel truth, without any of it being ridiculed or challenged?
Lotus who by her own admission, is a "far left liberal", arguing that western academia hasn't been completely consumed with leftist propaganda....

Something tells me that she isn't exactly the most reliable or impartial source on the matter.

No doubt the irony of her liberal indoctrination likely coming from her education and the fact that she's attempting to downplay the effect which teaching Cultural Marxism in the classroom has is completely lost on her.

Here's a little biographical info about me:

I've been a reader all my life. I was reading adult-level texts since I was about 12. A formative experience: reading "Listen, Yankee" when I was 13. It was about the Cuban revolution. What did I learn from it? Poor people are getting fucked all over the world. My pro-worker stance (which is the foundation of my political beliefs) didn't develop in school, at all. I never read any texts like that in school. Never. USA schools proselytize for the religion of capitalism.

I challenge you to come here with links to multiple departments across the country that teach "cultural Marxism." It's not happening. You're crazy.
 
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I challenge you to explain why universities churn out endless hordes of liberals and SJW's? Something in the water?
As has been discussed in this very thread, most people who learn critical thinking skills end up being liberal. That is a proven fact. Education teaches you to think for yourself using logic, facts, evidence, and credible research.

Extrapolate from that.

If you can.

PS, big surprise that you can't post anything factual about CRT.
 

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Someone else speaking out against the cancerous anti-white crap,

Pat Robertson calls critical race theory an ‘evil’ urging Black people to take ‘whip handle’ against whites


The 91-year-old Mr Robertson said on CBN’s 700 Club earlier this week that, according to his understanding of CRT, “people of colour have been oppressed by the white people and that white people begin to be racist by the time they’re 2 or 3 months old, and therefore the people of colour have to rise up and overtake their oppressors and then – having gotten the ‘whip handle,’ if I can use that term – then to instruct their white neighbours how to behave. Now that’s critical race theory.”

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Right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the widespread leftist bias on campus and the vast majority of teachers and professors harbouring liberal beliefs....

Your obsessive demonisation of Capitalism is straight out of the Communist Manifesto ffs.

You respond to me without having actually read the post you're responding to, don't you?
 

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Right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the widespread leftist bias on campus and the vast majority of teachers and professors harbouring liberal beliefs....

Your obsessive demonisation of Capitalism is straight out of the Communist Manifesto ffs.

You respond to me without having actually read the post you're responding to, don't you?

Of course I read your nonsense. So, what you're trying to say is that liberalism is rife within academia because it's the 'correct' way to think and those who spout liberal rhetoric are doing so because they're enlightened and educated?

No doubt all right wingers are 'uneducated' according to you....
 
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Right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the widespread leftist bias on campus and the vast majority of teachers and professors harbouring liberal beliefs....

Your obsessive demonisation of Capitalism is straight out of the Communist Manifesto ffs.

You respond to me without having actually read the post you're responding to, don't you?

Of course I read your nonsense. So, what you're trying to say is that liberalism is rife within academia because it's the 'correct' way to think and those who spout liberal rhetoric are doing so because they're enlightened and educated?

No doubt all right wingers are 'uneducated' according to you....

There are plenty of intelligent conservatives. I am just stating the fact that most people who are educted become more liberal. It's a fact. I made no judgment about whether or not it was correct.
 

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PS, big surprise that you can't post anything factual about CRT.

It teaches the concept of 'white privilege'. Are you seriously trying to deny this?

So something about the concept of white privilege turns you into a whinging looser babbie?

It's complete bullshit, Jewish privilege on the other hand is genuine, however that would never get taught because muh aunty Semitism.
 

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Right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the widespread leftist bias on campus and the vast majority of teachers and professors harbouring liberal beliefs....

Your obsessive demonisation of Capitalism is straight out of the Communist Manifesto ffs.

You respond to me without having actually read the post you're responding to, don't you?

Of course I read your nonsense. So, what you're trying to say is that liberalism is rife within academia because it's the 'correct' way to think and those who spout liberal rhetoric are doing so because they're enlightened and educated?

No doubt all right wingers are 'uneducated' according to you....

There are plenty of intelligent conservatives. I am just stating the fact that most people who are educted become more liberal. It's a fact. I made no judgment about whether or not it was correct.

This is because what they are being 'educated' with is biased towards leftist ideals, dumb ass.

Fuck, you're dense.
 
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Your collective hysteria over CRT demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of the concept of education AND free speech
. Duhv claims to understand vaccine hesitancy among blacks due to historical events
but can't understand how the chain of events originating with slavery in the US could possibly effect the black experience today.
. More "consistent" thinking by the white supremacist cons defining their own special biases.